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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 27 23:06:13 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 27 22:25:24 2010. Correct. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 27 23:07:00 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Dec 27 22:41:31 2010. That is great. These people need to see that people won't take this crap. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Dec 27 23:07:00 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 27 21:23:39 2010. I was standing next to Fred for about 80% of the incident and I can testify that no profanity was used nor were voices raised beyond a regular conversational tone. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 27 23:13:52 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Dec 27 23:07:00 2010. I totally believe Fred, and all along I have. I was just saying why the idiot didn't give him a ticket for a law that doesnt exist (photography), and why he probably put that lie of profanity in the ticket he did give. From what it sounds like, the guy really had a chip on his shoulder, especially if he actually said "that will teach you how to treat an officer when he questions you". That shows an extreme arrogance on his part. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Dec 27 23:23:56 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 27 22:24:18 2010. I highly agree with this! There are many photography artists in this city, and this really needs to be addressed NOW. I'm just sorry that Fred had to get in the middle of this. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Dec 27 23:36:18 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Dec 27 21:45:36 2010. What does PATH have to do with Philadelphia? SEPTA and PATCO don't have official policies prohibiting photography.I'm sorry to learn that you aren't interested in seeing anything Philadelphia has to offer, but what makes Philly worse than other cities in the case of transit photography? There are countless stories of such instances in New York and other cities.... |
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Posted by jabrams on Mon Dec 27 23:45:34 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by BMTLines on Mon Dec 27 22:33:08 2010. There are signs are all the MTA Toll Bridges stating the photography and videos are illegal. Of coursde, what is stopping you from taking pictures or videos from the street of the bridge. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 27 23:45:43 2010, in response to War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 27 17:57:43 2010.  I have nothing else to say. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Dec 27 23:49:03 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by BMTLines on Mon Dec 27 22:39:00 2010. Yup !!! only larger across the whole shirt so these cops can't say they didn't see it, normally I back the police but when some are bullies and like to use the uniform and badge to intimidate people than I would like to see these cops get busted. Karl M |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Dec 28 00:33:39 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 27 23:45:43 2010. Yeah, I know you have trouble with words. Try repeating elementary school and try again. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Dec 28 00:45:50 2010, in response to War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 27 17:57:43 2010. Fred, I think this anal cop had nothing else better to do during the day but to harass you. Cops tend to give out more ridiculous tickets towards the end of the month to satisfy their QUOTAS that they are asked to write from their Commanding Officers. They should be worried about more important issues such as crime and stuffing their faces with donuts and coffee.However, from this cop's point of view, (even though I think what the cop did is bullfunky), he probably thought you were impeding passenger and subway traffic when you were taking the pictures. The reason why he gave you the ticket was to fill his quota and he wanted to get you for something even though you stated that you did not use any profanity. I'd definitely report your situation to SEPTA, ACLU, and the Press. I hope that you got their names and badge numbers, time it happened, location and whatnot. Make it known that these idiots shall not overpower their authority to bully us around. I'm sorry that you and Jersey Mike had to go through this. The more the authorities do this to us, the more our liberties and freedoms are being threatened and the more the ones that do not have the same liberties and freedoms as we do, the more they are winning. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Dec 28 00:50:16 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by jabrams on Mon Dec 27 23:45:34 2010. There are signs are all the MTA Toll Bridges stating the photography and videos are illegal.In reality taking pictures is NOT illegal. The law states that pedestrians and motorists must obey all posted signs. The MTA cops used to cite photographers with "failure to obey a sign". Citing them for "obstructing governmental administration" appears to be a new tactic and an escalation of their War Against Photography. As for whether or not the MTA has the legal right to enforce such a ban is just begging for a challenge by the NYCLU and if they are escalating the charges then it will be worth the effort of someone to challenge them and kick some constitutional sense into the MTA's butt! HOWEVER the photographer in question was NOT taking pictures - he was harassed merely for POSSESSION of a Camera. Is the MTA's position that you cannot use the walkway if you are carrying a camera for use at your destination across the bridge? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Dec 28 00:55:20 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Dec 27 23:49:03 2010. I used to back the police but the way they have treated photographers has caused me to lose virtually all respect for police and on a higher level increased my distrust of government exponentially. These cops are not acting on their own - they have at the very least tacit approval from their superiors and the leadership of their city's government. One cop acting alone could be a rogue cop but 6 are a conspiracy! |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Dec 28 01:01:04 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by BMTLines on Mon Dec 27 22:37:34 2010. I understand I do and I tend to believe most but have personally known a story or two that was said here to not have been the way it was said here. But, I def. believe this and many other accts. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Dec 28 01:05:07 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by BMTLines on Mon Dec 27 22:39:00 2010. I agree with Karl. These shirts u showed is good, but I say get ones made up for NYC'rs with the 1090(c)(?#) on them, and same for each agency with their rule. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Dec 28 01:15:46 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by arnine on Tue Dec 28 01:01:04 2010. The way I see it is that photography is legal so there is no "other side". The minute a cop says "photography is illegal" - he is wrong and there is nothing further to discuss. However if the photographer is trespassing on non-public space (ie. the trackbed) to get the pics then that is a different story.... |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Dec 28 01:19:04 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by BMTLines on Tue Dec 28 01:15:46 2010. This cop didn't say it was illegal...he said it was a "Bad idea". If I didn't know better that sounds an awfully lot like organized crime. |
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Posted by Koi-PublicTransitIsMyLifeline on Tue Dec 28 01:22:25 2010, in response to War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 27 17:57:43 2010. Hey Fred,Wanted to meet up with you guys yesterday, but didn't get to Philly in time to meet you (got to Market East about 11:15 AM) so I had no idea where you were. I did my own railfanning instead: MFL from 8th to 30th Rt 11 to Island Av then back to 30th MFL to 69th St Terminal then lunch at Popeyes on 69th St. Then MFL back to Girard. Rt 15 to Westmoreland Loop then back to Girard and Broad BSS to 8th R8 to Wayne Junction (got a lot of (night) action at this stop) then a train back to Market East where I got the R7 back to TTC NJT to NYP and back to my grandmother's place via the subway to the Bronx where I posted this message from. Pics to be posted shortly (within a few days once I get back home in NJ). I plan on meeting you guys for the official SEPTA trip, but not at the beginning. If worse comes to worse, I'll meet you at City Hall when you go to lunch. Fred, what happened to you is total crap. There was no need for the cops to do what they did. Let's hope that the citation you received gets dismissed. If anything, the cops need to be re[rimanded for not doing their job properly (if they were doing their job properly, 6 cops wouldn't have been there in the first place and the cop that stopped you should have gone on about his business once he saw that you weren't a threat to anyone). Koi |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 28 01:26:59 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Dec 27 22:41:31 2010. I would say call the NBC10 Investigators myself. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Dec 28 01:31:50 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by BMTLines on Tue Dec 28 01:15:46 2010. Yes I agree. In 99% of the time u would b 100% right but it is also how 1 deals with the cop that sometimes gives the other side. Not talking about this case at all tho here the cops were 1000% wrong (I meant the 1000) |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Dec 28 01:33:13 2010, in response to War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 27 17:57:43 2010. Fred, this is a terrible thing to have happened and I'm embarrassed that it happened on my home system of SEPTA. The pictures you took of the system before were remarkable, and I hope this doesn't deter you from visiting ever again.I also hope that you bring this to SEPTA and the ACLU as others have suggested. This type of thing really hasn't come up much in this area, and needs to be brought to light. SEPTA has publicly announced that it has a "customer service" focus, and they really are serious about it. Writing a formal complaint should bring action or at least grab someone's attention. This type of nonsense needs to stop. Sadly, this was a nice reflection of the attitude I've seen with the Philly PD and the SEPTA Transit Police over time... |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Dec 28 01:37:24 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Koi-PublicTransitIsMyLifeline on Tue Dec 28 01:22:25 2010. If anything, the cops need to be re[rimanded for not doing their job properly (if they were doing their job properly, 6 cops wouldn't have been there in the first place and the cop that stopped you should have gone on about his business once he saw that you weren't a threat to anyone).Yeah, I am wondering about the whole 4-6 cops being there. That's quite outrageous...there are other things they need to worry about...and you shouldn't need so much "back-up" even if Fred was doing something "against policy". |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 28 01:39:43 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Dec 27 23:23:56 2010. Like I said in another thread, I would call NBC10 (WCAU-TV here). I think "The NBC10 Investigators" would LOVE to hear this story. |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Dec 28 03:59:20 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 27 19:08:16 2010. When I was a platform C/R at Canal St BMT, an NYCTA cop mentioned that he had a problem with a Chinese fare beat who played the "No speak English" routine. The cop said well in that case I have to bring you to the precinct where there is an interpreter available. The Asian perp seemed to develop a rather quick command of the English language when he heard that. |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Dec 28 04:06:02 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Easy on Mon Dec 27 20:08:35 2010. Not only should he fight it but he should sue SEPTA and any other possibly culpable agencies and persons individually and severally for any and all expenses incurred in defending this allegation. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 28 05:40:34 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by arnine on Mon Dec 27 22:05:42 2010. Well, BMTLines I think it depends on the person TBH, but in this case I totally think what happened is true and is the whole story as Fred has a very good rep and is always pretty reasonable. Those cops were ridiculous (?sp) and all should be disciplined.Exactly. Certain people have reputations and the way in which they conduct themselves suggests that they agitate the cops and make matters worse for themselves. I've met Fred, he doesn't seem like one to do that, and the fact there was an eyewitness (which we rarely get in these situations it seems) who is giving the same story makes it even more credible. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 28 05:50:12 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Dec 28 00:33:39 2010. LOL. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 28 05:51:24 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Dec 28 00:45:50 2010. he probably thought you were impeding passenger and subway traffic when you were taking the pictures. Nope. Incorrect. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 28 05:52:18 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by arnine on Tue Dec 28 01:01:04 2010. but have personally known a story or two that was said here to not have been the way it was said here. Which stories, how did they differ, and how close to the source were you? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 28 05:56:15 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Dec 27 22:48:52 2010. Well, you're a good friend/person, and you did the right thing by standing by him even though you had that thought on your mind. The harassment is not going to stop if you fold up when some waste of tax dollars egomaniac with nothing but a shiny badge challenges your rights. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 28 05:59:37 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 28 05:56:15 2010. As a matter of fact, I think that I might take photos again myself, I still having nothing better than a camera phone though since I'm saving up for other things. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 28 07:27:06 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 28 05:40:34 2010. Yes, I totally agree. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 28 07:27:47 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Randyo on Tue Dec 28 03:59:20 2010. Haha. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Tue Dec 28 07:31:31 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 27 20:29:43 2010. Nope, very clear.You are assuming the "official" in question can read English & I'll elaborate: Although I had "No Parking" signs clearly displayed on my garage doors at my apartmrnt building when I lived in Reading, & still had people parking in front of my garage. When I questioned the police on this the response was that I assumed the sign could be understood. Kinda like the Chinese answer in reverse. Anyway I don't really think that is what is going on here since SEPTA's website has 14 languages in addition to English. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 28 07:37:10 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by kp5308 on Tue Dec 28 07:31:31 2010. However, Ignorance of a law doesn't absolve one from said law. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Tue Dec 28 07:41:00 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 28 07:37:10 2010. NO KIDDING!:O) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Dec 28 08:55:47 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 27 22:26:38 2010. I got hassled at Philly's Arrott Terminal last year, while they were power washing it. A worker lady gave me a hard time about taking her photo. She called it in on her cell phone, whoops, I thought that was a no-no for SEPTA employees? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 28 09:04:45 2010, in response to War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 27 17:57:43 2010. No wonder Philadelphia has a very high crime rate - - morons chasing photographers instead of drug dealers and criminals.Really F'd up. |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Tue Dec 28 10:32:25 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 28 09:04:45 2010. Too bad the schools were off this week. This would have been an embarrising PR problem for SEPTA police, while they were harassing photographers, the low-class animals of the Philly School District were creating mayhem at the 15th St platform on a daily basis. The Philly news media would eat this up like a greasy cheesesteak! |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Dec 28 11:31:12 2010, in response to War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 27 17:57:43 2010. Fred, you're one of the most reliable people on this board, and I've got no reason to doubt the facts on your side. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Dec 28 11:32:47 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by arnine on Tue Dec 28 01:01:04 2010. I think we all know Fred, and not a single one of us should have any reason to doubt his account of events. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 28 11:37:22 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Dec 28 11:32:47 2010. Then all of us should go down and testify on his behalf when he appears before the judge.
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Posted by kp5308 on Tue Dec 28 11:57:10 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 28 11:37:22 2010. I'm in...... |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Dec 28 11:58:59 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by BMTLines on Mon Dec 27 18:43:50 2010. I'll never understand why people are so proud to get out of Jury Duty. |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Tue Dec 28 12:07:09 2010, in response to War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 27 17:57:43 2010. 1) I'm sorry to hear that this happened to you.2) I'm glad to see you get the respect of the others on this board and they all came to your defense. 3) Nilet must be scratching his head wondering why he doesn't get afforded the same respect. 4) I'm glad none of the police apologists have even dared to doubt your story. C'mon Jeff Rosen, Train Man Paul.....why so quiet? You two clowns and the other police loving fools love to stick it to Nilet, why not Fred? 5) Best of luck with this hassle as it goes further. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Dec 28 12:52:07 2010, in response to War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 27 17:57:43 2010. Everything that HarryP said in his post I agree with!! Make this a media matter, and take this straight to the top with SEPTA.Sorry to hear about that, Fred!!! Too many paranoid, clueless personnel who either don't read notices or don't care about notices!! There are a few crew persons and engineers here I had to put in the know about photography NOT being illegal on MNR property, as there are a few who thought it was. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Dec 28 13:00:03 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by R PansePCC on Tue Dec 28 12:07:09 2010. Fred G's integrity is not questionable, as others' integrity are. And based on the attitudes of some here, it is reasonable why they would be in trouble with the police because they let their mouths rule their good judgment and sense!! Fred remained respectful, had a witness to everything plus the officer was even more out of line when he, basically, committed perjury by stating Fred G was using profanity when he wasn't. And I never claimed to love the police, as I admit and have admitted when certain officials are clearly out of line, as this one was.Easy on the name calling, bro, I never said no insults or name calls your way!!! Don't make this something negative, because if so choose, you will be dealt with as others have, and you might not like what comes of it!!! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Dec 28 13:03:36 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 28 09:04:45 2010. IAWTP!! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Dec 28 13:07:16 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Dec 28 09:04:45 2010. It is funny how just yesterday I was discussing how photographers get harassed for what I and others here love to do with my wife, and we were talking about how the police never seem to be around to catch real crime, like the 17 year old who was shot and killed Christmas night on the platform at East Tremont Avenue on the 2/5, and the killer vanishes without a trace, or cannot seem to stop the rash of car breaking in my neighborhood perpetrated by knuckleheads who come up from the South Bronx looking for nice cars to hit in the nice areas, yet they harass those "every so dangerous to the safety of the world" photographers every second and at every which place they can, and do so in numbers, as this case with Fred G illustrates!!Sigh........ |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Dec 28 13:27:13 2010, in response to Re: War On Photography Continues In Philly, posted by BMTLines on Tue Dec 28 00:55:20 2010. Yea I tend to agree with you on that point. Karl M |
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