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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 17:03:38 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Railman718 on Thu Feb 23 17:00:33 2012.

I do it just for Olog ... he loves attention. :)

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 23 17:03:46 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by dand124 on Thu Feb 23 17:02:49 2012.

Don't bother him with facts.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 17:04:48 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 17:02:59 2012.

I mentioned it at the same time and if you go back, you'll see that you agreed with me on it. Hell ... most people have a 30 or 40 gallon tub, some even have a hot tub. There's even people with a swimming pool if they wanna play commodities. But TAKE the delivery and try to unload your profits. :)

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 17:05:56 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by ClearAspect on Thu Feb 23 16:59:40 2012.

"but the question is, whether we have the refinery capacity.."

Just to clarify, we are talking about importing crude oil. To the best of my knowledge, the US does not import refined oil and refines 100% of our domestically consumed oil. So the issue is not refinery capacity but who's crude we will refine.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 17:07:00 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 17:01:29 2012.

But you're violating your own rules. :)

And hate to break it to you, but Mexico and Canada are our primary suppliers now. Obama already got us largely off Arab oil. It's "Yurp" that's got the problem now, and Iran's major customers are China, Japan, Russia and India now. Seriously ... look it up.

We're a net EXPORTER now ... and so few years after your boy too.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Feb 23 17:08:33 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 16:38:32 2012.

So even if the US produced more oil, and had the capacity... it wouldn't make a difference because the price of oil is controlled on the open INTERNATIONAL market. Also 75% of the prices of gas in Europe are in taxes. The US can subsidize the price of gas... and lower it to the .12 cents a gallon in several parts of the world however that will cost A LOT! Also in parts of Europe they sell higher Octane gas than sold in the US like 98 octane.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Feb 23 17:09:16 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 17:05:56 2012.

well if we can produce our own oil, we need the capacity to refine 16 million barrels a day.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 23 17:10:03 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 17:07:00 2012.

Don't bother him with facts.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 17:11:09 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 23 17:10:03 2012.

But it's SO much fun! :)

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Feb 23 17:11:30 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 16:25:07 2012.

Why are we not drilling for it when other countries are? Why are we not harvesting the resources of Montana and Alaska ?

We are. We're exporting it.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 17:16:42 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 17:07:00 2012.

Mexico and Canada provide 38% of US oil imports, Roughly the same we get from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Angola and Nigeria. You are still deliberately missing my point. Where ever it's coming from, obama continually blocks capabilities to become energy independent. Hey, the winters get colder up there. If you want to pay $6 a gallon for heating oil next winter - well, you are the bright one.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by dand124 on Thu Feb 23 17:24:23 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 17:16:42 2012.

Energy independence is a stupid idea.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 17:25:07 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by ClearAspect on Thu Feb 23 17:09:16 2012.

Perhaps I didn't state it properly so let me restate it. We only import crude oil. All petroleum products consumed in the USA is refined in the USA. That is in addition to the oil products that we export. Refinery capacity is not the issue. My issues are 2 fold.

If all the crude used in this country is produced here, it takes supply disruption off the table. It stops the speculators who feed off world tensions.

The onerous federal regulations that force refineries to shut down twice a year to reconfigure their product based on summer and winter blends. Such shutdowns are extremely costly and add as much as $1 per gallon to the price of gasoline.



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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 17:25:35 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 17:16:42 2012.

I'm on nat gas now. I've already done my part to reduce the need for Canadian oil. :)

Now what was this about bright?

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 17:26:38 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by dand124 on Thu Feb 23 17:24:23 2012.

Yeah, based on the population here, I guess so.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 23 17:27:05 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 17:16:42 2012.

Total Imports of Petroleum (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
Country Sep-11
CANADA 2,829
SAUDI ARABIA 1,479
MEXICO 1,192
VENEZUELA 806
RUSSIA 592
NIGERIA 580
COLOMBIA 529
IRAQ 404
ECUADOR 305
ANGOLA 304
ALGERIA 291
VIRGIN ISLANDS 189
BRAZIL 188
ARUBA 149
KUWAIT 145

Source: ftp://ftp.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html


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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Dave on Thu Feb 23 17:27:09 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by dand124 on Thu Feb 23 17:24:23 2012.

And then you wonder why people here make fun of you.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 17:27:29 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 17:25:35 2012.

But you are only renting so you've done nothing. Your landlord did his part. -

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 23 17:28:04 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 16:25:07 2012.

You're just making things up.

The oil is coming from Alberta anyway. It's just going via rail instead of pipleine. The current pipeline route IS different from most - it goes through a major aquifer. the governor of Nebraska requested a reroute.

The Bakken shale oil in ND and MT is being developed quite rapidly. This started during the Obama Administration, by the way.





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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 23 17:30:02 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 16:37:53 2012.

OK, I missed where you acknowledged that blaming Obama for oil prices is stupid.



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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 17:30:30 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 17:25:07 2012.

Just for the record, US domestic oil is priced on a world market price. If Nigeria stops producing, Pennsylvania crude goes up too. It's a global casino here. If the US were the SOLE source of oil and they grabbed two 5 gallon buckets a day out of Iran, the price of US oil would still go up.

The PROBLEM is speculation, coupled with all those closed refineries here. Look it up ... in order to profit, nearly 40% of our production is SHUT DOWN.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 23 17:31:05 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by AlM on Thu Feb 23 17:28:04 2012.

Don't bother him with facts.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 17:35:11 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 17:27:29 2012.

Matters not ... heating isn't included in rents upstate. The only reason why oil-based energy was down at all the past couple of years is because the world economy was in the toilet. That's the ONLY reason for the lower prices before. The trend is up, and will stay up until it reaches for US$8 or better. That means oil is no longer a valid home heating option. That's why we chose a place on gas given where that's trending for the next few years at least.

Our NEXT home will be heat-pumped with solar. It works up here.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by dand124 on Thu Feb 23 17:35:42 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Dave on Thu Feb 23 17:27:09 2012.

find me economist that supports the idea of energy independence.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 23 17:49:32 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by dand124 on Thu Feb 23 17:24:23 2012.

+1

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 18:05:49 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by AlM on Thu Feb 23 17:28:04 2012.

Perhaps you haven't heard but it's going to China,

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 18:07:09 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 17:35:11 2012.

Matters because it goes to your proclivity to distort facts.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 18:08:11 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 18:07:09 2012.

Uh-huh ... well ... if all the oil is going to China like you said three messages back, looks like I made a smart move. :)

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by dand124 on Thu Feb 23 18:11:18 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 18:05:49 2012.

the pipeline will make it easier for it to go to China than it is now

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 18:13:56 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by dand124 on Thu Feb 23 18:11:18 2012.

Yes it will. The pipeline will go west instead of south.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 18:15:38 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 18:08:11 2012.

Well, if you made a smart move then you need to thank Pataki for his failure to get flood control done properly.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 18:24:03 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 18:15:38 2012.

There ya go ... :)

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 23 19:03:29 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 16:48:50 2012.

On the other hand this president (hahahah) has deliberately and consciously and very openly created policy to maintain higher oil prices

He did that by becoming the first US President in 30+ year to preside over an INCREASE in domestic oil production?

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 23 19:06:59 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 16:52:26 2012.

We can tell Iran to go ahead and get that nuclear weapon they so terribly want and there will be no military or economic consequences.

In fact we should just give them a couple of nukes ourselves in order to signal to the markets that there will be no strike on Iran that would disrupt the flow of oil.

Where are Ronnie Reagan and Ollie North when we really need them?

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 19:09:26 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 23 19:06:59 2012.

That would certainly make the markets happy, and obviously what the right is clammoring for here. :(

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 19:17:40 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 23 19:03:29 2012.

Well, you've certainly convinced me. 61% of the population is wrong about obama.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 23 19:17:47 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 16:13:13 2012.

Face it! The oil industry is highly regulated and while there are things that this president could have done to help the American consumer,

You mean he should have instituted policies straight out out of the Marx playbook instead?

So which one is it?

Deregulation or de-facto nationalization by a different name?

You seem very confused.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 23 19:21:27 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 16:29:19 2012.

So what do you propose we do?

Tell other countries like China to stop buying oil so that global prices can drop?

and after global prices drop, force world producers to keep pumping out the same amount of oil so that prices remain low?

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 23 19:25:17 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 16:43:26 2012.

If I were to accept your numbers, if we produced just 3,000,000 barrels a day that would reduce our foreign oil dependence by 1/3. If we produced 5,000,000 then it would be cut by more than 1/2.

Yeah with 3% of the world's oil reserves and 20% of consumption, I'm sure that will happen sometime next year.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 23 19:31:28 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 17:25:07 2012.

The onerous federal regulations that force refineries to shut down twice a year to reconfigure their product based on summer and winter blends.

That's because the American people long ago made the decision that they are not gonna live like THIS:





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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 19:33:21 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 23 19:31:28 2012.

hahahahah - yeah, How just for the record, that smog is not from oil. Its from ______________?

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 23 19:35:11 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 16:58:26 2012.

That pipeline was a really bad idea. Obama is a hero for stopping it.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 23 19:37:16 2012, in response to Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 13:55:15 2012.

"The President doesn't have anything to do with gas prices" is what you guys said when gas prices shot up under Bush.

Anyway if you want cheap gas then let Iran have the bomb and buy gas from them.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 23 19:38:10 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 18:13:56 2012.

Because it's easier and cheaper for TransCanada to export it to China via a pipeline going through the US Plains to ports on the Gulf of Mexico then building a super-expensive one through the Canadian Rockies.

it's also politically easier for Canadian politicians to pollute American acquifers than to do the same to Canadian ones.

You are holding TransCanada's bag.

The amount of oil produced doesn't change meaning the price doesn't change whether the pipeline goes through the US or through Canada, except we'll also end up importing food once "America's Breadbasket's" main acquifer become one big Superfund site.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 23 19:39:12 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by ClearAspect on Thu Feb 23 17:08:33 2012.

It's higher octane because they don't put ethanol in it.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 19:40:31 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 23 19:35:11 2012.

I disagree but I guess that's what keeps the the world spinning

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 19:41:29 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 23 19:37:16 2012.

I think our righties really need to take a break and decide what they want. :-\

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 19:42:38 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 23 19:37:16 2012.

The president has little that he could do to regulate prices but his policies are keeping the prices at higher levels.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 23 19:42:41 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 23 19:38:10 2012.

Precisely the problem. And all it would take to solve it is a reroute away from the aquifer, or a properly sized drainage ditch around it with a catch basin.

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Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For.

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 23 19:44:34 2012, in response to Re: Me to Barry - Get a Fucking Job You Are Qualified For., posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 23 19:17:40 2012.

Are you denying that he is the first American President in 30+ years to preside over an increase in domestic oil production?

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