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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 01:21:02 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Apr 22 18:05:01 2011. Hey, streetcarmutt1, when did you teach your children about sex? |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 05:13:54 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 19:37:38 2011. "This politically correct shit is so out of hand that it's to the point where they are doing more harm to the kids than helping."I agree completely. And yet, by standing behind this proposal to ban any talk about any sexuality other than heterosexuality, you're actively advocating MORE political correctness. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 08:13:44 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 05:13:54 2011. hardly! What I want is for teachers to stick to the curricula that is required, especially in the K through 6 grades. Kids are exposed to the non-curricula issues from their friends and when confronted by things they don't understand, should be directed tot heir parents for guidance. For an educator to insinuate himself or herself into the discussion by supposing that he or she knows whats best for (MY) child is ludicrous. These discussions are more school appropriate in the later grades when childrens minds are not so vulnerable and they can make their own decisions. Even then, the problem is that the teachers or the politicians prejudices are substituted for the parents own. No teacher can teach sex, religion or multiculturalism without his own biases showing. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 23 08:34:26 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 08:13:44 2011. the teachers or the politicians prejudices are substituted for the parents ownThere you have the reason *to* teach those nontraditional lessons beyond mandated academia. One of the points of education is to *remove* (or at minimum create awareness of) those prejudices. That's something parents *never* teach, it has to come from somewhere or there'd never be any human progress. Yes, it would be best for it came from the home, but based on your statement above, that's not likely now, is it? |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 08:47:12 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 08:13:44 2011. "Even then, the problem is that the teachers or the politicians prejudices are substituted for the parents own."That's a great reason NOT to ban all talk of all sexuality except heterosexuality. If you do, the ONLY opinion the kids are going to hear for the first, and defining, 14 years of their lives are the prejudices of their parents. And, while teachers' prejudice might shine through in their teachings, they'll still be subjected to guidelines from the school, whilst the parents' prejudices will be unbridled. And that seldom is a good thing. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 08:53:18 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 23 08:34:26 2011. Again I ask you, at what age did you teach your children about sex, homosexuality, and multiculturalism? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 08:55:22 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 08:47:12 2011. I don't want my values supplanted with values that I disagree with when it comes to my children. Why is that so hard for liberals to understand and accept? |
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Re: Another Gloper with hateful ideas |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 08:56:30 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 08:55:22 2011. It'll be hard for that one to understand since he's brainwashed. If you're fed socialism from childhood, what else can you train yourself to know? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:00:10 2011, in response to Re: Another Gloper with hateful ideas, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 08:56:30 2011. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:03:40 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 08:55:22 2011. Nothing to do with 'liberals', everything with simple common sense. We don't live in a bubble, and children shouldn't be raised in one, as you're proposing. If we are now going to make it law that parents prejudices can never be contradicted, and that children should never be subjected to any other opinion than their parents', we might as well abolish schools altogether and keep our kids indoor 24/7. And THAT is PC gone mad... |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Apr 23 09:11:32 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Fri Apr 22 21:01:13 2011. This is not the first time I have heard that story. There have been similar stories in the news where kids were even suspended for a kiss on the cheek.Back in the day when I went to grammar school the girls used to cry and kiss each other goodbye on the last day of class before a vacation break (spring, summer, xmas, etc) or on occasions like birthdays. Today they would probably all be sent to detention |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 09:13:53 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 19:37:38 2011. That's completely nuts. They bringing in the "Junior Anti-Sex League" for real?? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:14:27 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:03:40 2011. That's fine. You allow the state to raise your children with the state's values, comrade, and I'll decide what are appropriate values for my children to be raised with. That is unless the you are going to abridge my rights as a parent.Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:15:32 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:14:27 2011. Ah yes, when out of arguments, paint the other one as a commie. Fuck you. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Apr 23 09:15:56 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Fri Apr 22 19:37:38 2011. I remember when kids played Dr. while learning about sex and sexualaty and did perfectly fine on their own.If kids got caught doing that today they will probably be arrested and forced to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:17:08 2011, in response to Re: Another teacher with hateful ideas, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 09:13:53 2011. Careful, comrade! Big Brother is watching |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:18:03 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:15:32 2011. Is that the best you can do?Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:20:00 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by BMTLines on Sat Apr 23 09:15:56 2011. That is not a joke either. That has happened to some poor little kids caught "Sexting" each other because they were sending "kiddiporn" over the airwaves. These kids will be marked for life because of political correctness.Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. Liberals know what is best for you. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:21:43 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 23 08:34:26 2011. Again I ask you, at what age did you teach your children about sex, homosexuality, and multiculturalism? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 09:24:24 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:15:32 2011. LOL . . . "paint"? All you do is express communistic ideas, and when someone points out the obvious, they're the one who "paint(s)" . . . nice one, tovarishch . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 09:25:00 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:03:40 2011. That's not what he said and you know it. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:25:40 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:18:03 2011. What more is there to do: you used the tried-and-tested Glenn Beck approach: don't reason, just automatically assume that anything can be expanded to its absolute extreme (i.e. 'schools should not be banned from discussing sexuality other than heterosexuality', ergo, COMMIE!!!!). There's really not much to add to that, is there? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 23 09:27:54 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 09:24:24 2011. Since when is seeing that young people understand that there are divergent ideas out there in the real world that they're going to confront and have to deal with "communistic"? It's clear the parents aren't getting that important message across. Look back a few posts in this very thread to see why this country is stagnating at best. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 23 09:28:35 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 08:47:12 2011. As usual, no one here points out that a student of, say, 13, who discovers he or she is attracted to their own gender, will have no educational resources to call upon if they wish to learn more about homosexuality, which is, after all, a reality in our world. Because the purpose of general education, particularly after elementary school, is to teach children about the world we live in, accurately and without concealment, doesn't the "don't say gay" bill fly in the face of all that?By making homosexuality a forbidden subject, Tennessee would also, by extension, be strongly suggesting to its students that same-gender love is wrong, so much so that it may not be discussed openly in a school setting. What a fine example of ignorance undoing education. As for "deeply held religious beliefs", that "homosexuality is immoral", that's fine, as long as those "deeply held religious beliefs" are kept out of public schools. The right of religious belief does not mean these can be imposed on every student in the school, particularly gay or lesbian teens, who need understanding at that stage in their lives, not labeling as a "forbidden subject". |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:30:14 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 23 09:27:54 2011. At what age did you teach your children about sex, homosexuality and multiculturalism? |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 23 09:31:34 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:03:40 2011. I have to disagree and side here with those who feel the parents should get the final say. I'm being consistent since I oppose religion and school prayer being instituted in the public school system and commonly use the argument that religion is for the parents to instill on the child, and not the school system. I realize that homosexuality isn't a religion, but the spirit of the argument is the same. Schools are for teaching young people how to learn and not to instill values other than civic ones. Hateful parents are going to teach hate to their children regardless of the school's curriculum and the bright side to that is that kids often rebel against their parents and their beliefs.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 23 09:32:33 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by BMTLines on Sat Apr 23 09:15:56 2011. Sad but true.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:33:08 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:25:40 2011. You espouse extreme socialist views of education and when called on it, the best you can do is "fuck you"? If you are going to advocate for a position, you should at least be able to defend your position, don't you think? Now, at what age did your children learn about sex, homosexuality and multiculturalism? |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:33:56 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 09:24:24 2011. I normally don't engage into a conversation with trolls like you, but exactly what 'communistic' ideas have I expressed? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:35:01 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 23 09:28:35 2011. DUH, Nathan, I very clearly said that such education was inappropriate for children k through 6. So unless a child has been left back, by the time they reach 7th grade the indoctrination may begin. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:37:02 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:33:08 2011. Exactly what 'extreme socialist views' have I expressed? The only thing I've said is that schools shouldn't be banned from discussing sexuality other than heterosexuality, and that it's not healthy to expect that kids should never be subjected to any other opinion but their parents'. What exactly is 'extreme socialist' may I ask?Oh and I learned about sex at primary school age. About the age of eight or nine I think. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:38:03 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:33:56 2011. So you call people trolls and that's okay but you, who espouses extreme socialistic views cannot be called a communist. Why is that, comrade? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:39:39 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:37:02 2011. I asked what age your children learned about sex, homosexuality and multiculturalism - not you? |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:43:54 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:39:39 2011. I don't have kids over 3. But I'm guessing it'll be about that age too. Now, can I see those extreme socialist points I supposedly support again? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:47:36 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:43:54 2011. Well, I hope when the time comes you can agree that the state has the right to supplant your values in your children with more appropriate government values. |
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Posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:52:40 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:47:36 2011. Still no answer. And you clearly haven't read any of my posts. I never said the state could 'supplant my values'. Just that kids have the right to more opinions than just my own.Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off. To a colleague's gay marriage. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 09:55:12 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:38:03 2011. Poor attempt to squash debate. He can throw whatever insults he wants, but not the "other side", who has to follow whatever ever-changing rules he sets up. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 09:56:03 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:33:08 2011. Sounds like something out of the "rules for radicals" playbook, doesn't it . . . ? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 10:01:50 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Scorpio7 on Sat Apr 23 09:52:40 2011. The state will supplant your views because they have more access to your children and because you've allowed it. BTW: Why not just say you are going to a colleague's wedding? Why would I care if they were gay or straight? I have to guess that you are not the best man, though. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Apr 23 10:31:03 2011, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 22 21:25:56 2011. How am I not human. You're not human. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 23 10:33:47 2011, in response to The Ultimate Solution for Stacey Campfield, posted by Scrabbleship on Fri Apr 22 20:47:04 2011. Just like adding DDT to Cheerios doesn't improve them, your posts don't make this place better.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 10:48:39 2011, in response to The Ultimate Solution for Stacey Campfield, posted by Scrabbleship on Fri Apr 22 20:47:04 2011. I see you've not given up your fight against mental health. You seem to be winning. |
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Re: Another EU-bashing LUNATIC with hateful ideas |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Apr 23 10:54:41 2011, in response to Re: Another teacher with hateful ideas, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 09:13:53 2011. You belong in a cage. |
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Re: Another left-wing antisemitic LUNATIC with hateful ideas |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 11:03:26 2011, in response to Re: Another EU-bashing LUNATIC with hateful ideas, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Apr 23 10:54:41 2011. When did you start hating Jews? Go ahead and be candid. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 11:08:18 2011, in response to Re:, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Apr 23 10:31:03 2011. How am I not humanPardon me? Suggesting the dismemberment, torture and murder of someone who suggested that it should be the parents of a child and not the schoolteachers who discuss matters related to sexuality with the same child . . . ? never mind being so utterly ignorant as to mistake same for "homophobia" so-called? Yup, quite inhuman. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 11:10:22 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 10:01:50 2011. Don't humor the lowlife. He believes the propaganda against Israel on top of all his other sick views. |
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Re: Another EU-bashing LUNATIC with hateful ideas |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Apr 23 11:19:21 2011, in response to Re: Another left-wing antisemitic LUNATIC with hateful ideas, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 11:03:26 2011. Actually, you're already in a cage and I love to rattle the bars. Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle Rattle |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Apr 23 11:20:43 2011, in response to Re:, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 11:08:18 2011. Neither of you are human. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Apr 23 11:37:52 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 08:53:18 2011. The correct answer is never, as bingbong and SelkirkTMO never had any children. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Apr 23 11:39:43 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 09:21:43 2011. Again, The correct answer is never, as bingbong and SelkirkTMO never had any children. |
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