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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:52:43 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Apr 23 14:49:41 2011. Likely PCBs tonight.Thats Pool Crablegs and beer. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:52:54 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:20:42 2011. Because they are not as enlightened or as intelligent as you are?Well if you really want to get technical, then yes, obviously the bulk of people in the general population aren't as intelligent and are probably not as tolerant as I am (but that of course is little different than saying the bulk of people aren't as tall as I am). That's not meant as a boast, but it is a statement of fact and one that is relevant to your question. To point out an example, conservatives are as whole less intelligent and less tolerant than liberals. And that is in part why ignorance, fear and hatred of not just gays but many groups runs rampant. I suppose the relevant question here is that if I can turn out so "enlightened and intelligent" without education about gays, why are you worried if kids do get educated about gays? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 14:55:54 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:52:54 2011. Well if you really want to get technical, then yes, obviously the bulk of people in the general population aren't as intelligent and are probably not as tolerant as I amHowever the bulk of people in general are obviously much more intelligent than Train Dude though. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Apr 23 14:56:08 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:52:43 2011. I can dig the pool and crablegs, hmmm maybe one summer Saturday |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:57:08 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 14:26:32 2011. As I posted before, there is no question that homosexuality is highly heritable and it is quite possible that the non-genetic part is in large part due to developmental noise, which is also outside one's control. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:57:54 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:52:54 2011. So then based on your previous argument that blacks are less intelligent than white or asians, are we to assume that most whites and asians are liberal while most blacks are conservative? Hmmmmm, seems to be a little kink in your theory now, don't it?Since I am conservative, then by your pronouncements, I must then be black and somewhat less intelligent. I sure does wanna thank you for pointing that out to me. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:59:09 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:46:53 2011. We'll talk about this as soon as you tell me why this is relevant, or can I just file this as a red herring? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:59:22 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 14:55:54 2011. Obviously, that doesn't include you - being the moron that you are. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:59:53 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Apr 23 14:56:08 2011. No problem. Let me know when |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 15:01:05 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:59:09 2011. It's a legitimate question. Now if it bothers you, this is a free country and you are free to run from the issue. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 15:01:57 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:57:54 2011. So then based on your previous argument that blacks are less intelligent than white or asians, are we to assume that most whites and asians are liberal while most blacks are conservative? Hmmmmm, seems to be a little kink in your theory now, don't it?I haven't seen the data broken down by race, but it is quite possible that that is correct. Blacks and Latinos socially are fairly conservative; they vote Democrat mainly out of their historic allegiance to the Democratic party. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Apr 23 15:02:15 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:59:53 2011. Let me get through May, two final papers due. After that I am totally free from school until late August. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 15:03:37 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:59:09 2011. It is also a logical red herring, unless you can explain its relevance to the discussion at hand. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 15:05:23 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 15:03:37 2011. You are arguing with yourself again. How did the last one turn out. I suspect this one will be similar. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 15:29:09 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:33:08 2011. This subthread isn't about teaching school kids that homosexuality exists, it's about teaching acceptance and history. Of course kids already know that homosexuality exists. Kids know that in kindergarten.GWC being black was signiifcant in that he accomplished a lot for his race in a time where his race was persecuted. He didn't accomplish anything for gays. Had he been born a slave for being gay and then taught at an all gay school and come out as a gay man then his sexuality would obviously be more significant. A political figure similar to Milk might be Medgar Evers. Certainly not Obama! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 15:41:02 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 15:29:09 2011. . . . "all-gay school" . . . ?? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 15:41:41 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Apr 23 15:02:15 2011. You're never free from school. Especially when at work. It's a continuum . . . |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 15:44:30 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 15:41:02 2011. NYC tried that. I'm not sure if it is still in existence. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 15:50:16 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 15:29:09 2011. This subthread isn't about teaching school kids that homosexuality exists, it's about teaching acceptance and history. (emphasis added)Like I said, substitute "black" for "gay" and then what does this discussion sound like? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 15:57:19 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 15:50:16 2011. Substitute Eskimo for black and what do you have? |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 16:27:15 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by R30A on Sat Apr 23 14:46:55 2011. I'm not a polygamophobe either. But Easy is. Hence my point. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 16:52:04 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 15:50:16 2011. I don't know what you mean by "what it sounds like", but I don't think that black history should be taught in schools and neither should gay history, white history, women's history, or any other type of segregated history. And acceptance is not something that should be taught in school. Tolerance and respect are what should be taught. For everyone regardless of race, sex, sexuality, or any other legal subgroup. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 16:56:30 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 16:52:04 2011. I don't know what you mean by "what it sounds like", but I don't think that black history should be taught in schools and neither should gay history, white history, women's history, or any other type of segregated history.Fair enough, at least you are consistent, and I can respect that. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 23 16:57:16 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 16:52:04 2011. Good post, IAWTP and all that lingo.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 17:01:03 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 16:56:30 2011. We did have black history week when I was in school which is now black history month. I could tolerate something similar to that for gays, but not a whole month or even a week. Maybe gay history hour. How does that sound? ;) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 17:04:05 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 16:52:04 2011. seems the homosexual community does not respect the heterosexual community. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:06:40 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 16:52:04 2011. but white history is taught everyday in school easy |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 17:07:49 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:06:40 2011. History is taught everyday in school. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:08:25 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 17:07:49 2011. yeah white history |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 17:09:51 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:08:25 2011. No - plain old history. They left no group out. Maybe when you were in school you slept through the days when they talked about blacks in history. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 17:12:29 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 16:52:04 2011. Ok. I agree with you on this one.I'm on the same page with you as long as you allow acceptance of all different types of people. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 17:15:35 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:08:25 2011. Well, let's see!Martin Luther King died in 1968 so he wasn't history when I went to school. Malcolm X died in 1965 so he was current events. David Dinkins wasn't even a blip on the radar yet Neither were Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson We did learn about Adam Clayton Powell II and Rosa Parks. Got your back, Salaam. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:15:44 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 17:09:51 2011. bull ! all we were taught when i went to school was ''white history''and from the extreme right wing at that 1950s thru the 1960s there was not anything about what any black ever did |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 23 17:18:07 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:15:44 2011. I went to school in the 60's and learned of people like GW Carver, Frederick Douglass, Crispus Attucks, etc. We didn't dwell on black people nor did we dwell on any other group.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:18:40 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 17:15:35 2011. no you dont in very right wing california at that time we were fed white history only except in high school when we had a black students union about the time i was ready to graduate (1970) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 17:19:26 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:18:40 2011. So where did you learn about blacks in history - in college or graduate school? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:19:39 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 23 17:18:07 2011. not in the pasadena school district back in the 1960ssorry fred ! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 17:19:47 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 23 17:18:07 2011. Exactly |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:20:16 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 17:19:26 2011. the library and other sources not at public schools |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:20:48 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 17:19:47 2011. that was not my school back in the 1960s |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 23 17:23:16 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:19:39 2011. Sorry to hear that but pretty much anyone I know learned of black accomplishments even back then. Not highlighted but touched upon.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:27:10 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 23 17:23:16 2011. it was not until i was out of school in the later 1970s that postive things about what blacks did in history was taught here |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 17:33:03 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:27:10 2011. So when we say that history is taught in school now and you respond that only white history is taught, you're basing that on what you were taught over 40 years ago? |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 17:35:04 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 17:33:03 2011. No. The prevailing opinion amongst people: minorities and feminists especially; is that white male history is all that is taught. Hence the move towards women's history, black history, and now gay history blocks of curriculum. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:35:50 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 17:33:03 2011. yes there was no black history taught in school until after i graduated (1970)not in my school district |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:37:04 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 17:35:04 2011. not much is taught about the history of labor and unions either in school even today |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 17:38:37 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:37:04 2011. The most history I got in school about labor and unions was done through discussion of Cesar Chavez. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:39:53 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 17:38:37 2011. we did not even hear his name here until well after he was gone (1960s) |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 17:40:22 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:35:50 2011. I understand, but I'm not sure how that is relevant to today or why you think that only white history is still taught in school. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 17:41:42 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 23 17:37:04 2011. How do you know? I learned about labor unions in school back in the 70's. |
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