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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:03:46 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:46:30 2011. Logic really does rub you the wrong way doesn't it? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 14:04:17 2011, in response to Re: The Exception That Proves The Rule (was: Another GOPer with hateful ideas), posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:56:11 2011. Yes, I caught that and wondered why you would even continue after that statement when you obviously didn't know what you were talking about. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:04:38 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:47:01 2011. The good ones are great social commentators, actually. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:04:38 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 13:58:59 2011. Why not? They are viewed as two alternate life-styles. Don't you think if we teach heterosexuality and homosexuality and bisexuality, why not teach polygamy. There certainly many people who practice it. I even know someone in the Albany area who does. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:05:16 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 14:00:49 2011. smaz is one sick mother-fucker. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Apr 23 14:06:11 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:05:16 2011. Damm, somebody is having fun. :-) |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:06:15 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:52:07 2011. What about parents that object to their kids being taught that homosexuality is better than heterosexuality?(emphasis added)What school teaches THAT?? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:06:20 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 14:02:18 2011. write me when you figure out how to have children |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:06:51 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:02:41 2011. Arguing with yourself???? Let me know who wins this one. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:07:31 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:03:46 2011. No but you are what you are. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 14:07:40 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 13:58:39 2011. In this case opposing implies any viewpoint that would be different than your own. So if you know what you believe "opposing" would be anything else. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 14:07:46 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 11:50:51 2011. Like evolution? How about solar system heliocentrism?You need better bait on your hook. Especially when you mix true science with false, and are not living in a society with a state religion that backs up Aristotle's errors. Or do you just enjoy being a complete BS artist?  |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 14:08:35 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:57:25 2011. Yes, they should teach about polygamy too and how it's prevalent in many cultures including in the US. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:09:09 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Apr 23 14:06:11 2011. just warming up in the bullpen, David. Juust warming up. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:09:51 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:06:15 2011. Teacher prejudice is quite obvious. What school taught you homosexuality? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 14:10:26 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:52:07 2011. Why are you making shit up?Are you hoping that they actually teach that so that you can actually have a reasonable argument against teaching about homosexuality? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 14:10:30 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 13:58:59 2011. Do you deny that polygamy is as rooted in biology as homosexuality? Do you deny that men are born with a predisposition to being attracted to multiple sex partners? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 14:11:15 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 23 14:00:49 2011. Say the person who denies the Bosnian Genocide. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 14:12:34 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 14:10:30 2011. Listen. Your homophobia here is legendary. I'd rather have my kids taught about homosexuality and polygamy in school than have them learn from other sources. I remember going to sex education in 6th grade. Maybe 6th or 7th grade would be an appropriate time. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 14:13:10 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 14:02:58 2011. You are just overly PC and want to squash academic freedom and knowledge that you disagree with. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 14:13:24 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:06:15 2011. Follow the subthread. I gave an absurd response to an absurd question. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:15:28 2011, in response to Re: The Exception That Proves The Rule (was: Another GOPer with hateful ideas), posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:53:59 2011. Being black gives you no special insight.I think everyone gets some insight by being who they are growing up how they did. Some people get more insight than others by their experiences, but everyone has something to contribute (that is of course different than saying that everyone's claims are equally valid, because they are surely not). Don't take anything I say personally, because it's not meant that way. I will condemn your(anyone's) arguments forcefully if they are wrong, but it's not meant against YOU(everybody) (which I why I blissfully ignore personal attacks!) Those children in the first video are being abused. Perhaps they are. That is slightly tangential to the discussion and a matter of some opinion, one that I really don't have one of at the moment. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 14:15:35 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 14:10:26 2011. Oh, my statement is "making shit up" but suggesting that some don't want their kids to learn math is legitimate? I gave an absurd response to an absurd question. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 14:15:49 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 14:12:34 2011. Good post. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:15:50 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 14:12:34 2011. What is homophobic in saying that men can be attracted to multiple sex partners? I think that you are getting hysterical over nothing. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:17:34 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 13:56:10 2011. I actually never was. I had to learn on my own (from books, that is). Fortunately I didn't turn out homophobic, but considering the rampart ignorance out there, bringing everyone up to speed on the existence of gays would be welcome. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 23 14:17:50 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 14:15:35 2011. ok |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:18:46 2011, in response to Re: The Exception That Proves The Rule (was: Another GOPer with hateful ideas), posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:15:28 2011. If you don't think those 2 little girls are being sexually abused and exploited by the adults who allowed it to happen and who allowed it to be posted, shame on you. I just hope that the Baltimore DCS does investigate it now and take appropriate action. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:19:21 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 13:57:25 2011. Maybe schools should teach about polygamy because there's lots of hate for that lifestyle even though it's rooted in biology and people are born that way (being attracted to more than one partner).Actually, that is true, and perhaps they should, someday. I'd personally wait until high school (as part of anthropology), but that's tomorrow's discussion. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:20:12 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 13:58:59 2011. They are highly similar in at least one aspect: they are rooted in biology and are perhaps intractable. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:20:42 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:17:34 2011. So you were self-taught? And you feel that you turned out okay? So why do you think others need formal education in homosexuality? Because they are not as enlightened or as intelligent as you are? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:21:36 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:19:21 2011. but lets teach homosexuality in the early grades to give them a headstart? |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 14:26:32 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:15:50 2011. This issue hits home fairly hard for me, morose than many other issues here, as some of my closest friends and coworkers are gay. In talking with them, none of them chose to be gay. Therefore, I don't support the continued marginalization of homosexuals. So, it's personal. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:33:08 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 14:02:58 2011. Everything eventually is "science"Glad you admit that. but teaching homosexuality in schools is social indoctrination as admitted by many posts in this thread. Oh so acknowledging that gays exist is social indoctrination? Interesting.... And yes I would lump black history under "social issues" depending on the content. Obviously teaching about slavery, jim crow, civil rights, etc are a legitimate subject as they were very much a part of American history. Oh OK, so one social issue is OK but the other is not. Interesting... Teaching that George Washington Carver was gay while interesting, is irrelevant since his being gay had nothing to do with his accomplishments. About as much as the fact that he was black, I suppose... Teaching about Harvey Milk, while interesting, is only doing so because of his sexuality since he accomplished relatively little in his lifetime. Will they be saying the about Barack Obama in ages to come? But then I suppose a better analogy is perhaps David Dinkins or Dave Patterson. Both were far less than stellar at their posts but did set a precedent and perhaps should be mentioned for that fact. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Apr 23 14:33:47 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:09:09 2011. Don't pull a Tommy John muscle in your pitching arm. :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:34:16 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 14:26:32 2011. Two things. No one is marginalizing a gay lifestyle here. We are saying that it should not be taught in schools - or in my case, in the lower grades. Second - I'm quite sure that your friends embraced their homosexuality without formal education. What will formal education do for the homosexual? Teach him or her that it is acceptable? We both know that the prejudices of the real world won't match up with what is taught..Did you ever see the movie "Stripes" where Bill Murray and Harold Ramis go to enlist in the Army and are asked by the recruiter if either of them were homosexual and Harold Ramis answers, "No, but we are both willing to learn!" |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:35:29 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Apr 23 14:33:47 2011. Thanks, not at least until tonight when the game starts..... |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:35:35 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 14:07:40 2011. Nice try. Can you be more specific? |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 14:36:47 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:34:16 2011. You say that nobody is marginalizing a gay lifestyle here, but then you post:What will formal education do for the homosexual? Teach him or her that it is acceptable? So, are you suggesting that gays should view themselves as being inferior to the rest of society? If that's not marginalization, I don't know what is. Secondly, I haven't seen the movie "Stripes" but Bill Murray and Harold Ramis are comedians and that was a joke. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:38:26 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:09:51 2011. Again, what school teaches that homosexuality is better than heterosexuality?? Can you back this claim up before I bother myself with giving it any regard? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Apr 23 14:39:07 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:35:29 2011. Big doubleheader tonight. I think it might go into extra innings well through Sunday afternoon. Benches gonna clear three times too. :-) |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:40:59 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 14:10:30 2011. I'll support it: only some men are. Others are not. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:41:39 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 23 14:13:24 2011. Hmmmm..... |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Apr 23 14:42:41 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 14:00:36 2011. t.s.does. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:44:34 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 14:36:47 2011. You are twisting my words, likely deliberately. I don't believe that you are so stupid that you actually thought that I meant what you wrote. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:46:53 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by JayMan on Sat Apr 23 14:38:26 2011. I didn't say that any specific school does but a teacher who is gay might present the issues differently from a teacher who is not. OR are you going to tell us that in your highly enlightened opinion, the sexual background of the teacher will have no bearing on how the material is presented? |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Apr 23 14:46:55 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by TonyG on Sat Apr 23 13:58:59 2011. Why not?I have no issue with homosexuality, but polygamophobes irritate me, much like homophobes do. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:47:51 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Apr 23 14:39:07 2011. Well then, schedule me for Tommy John surgery. Oooh wait. wife is working tonight. I'll e out with the guys. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:48:58 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by R30A on Sat Apr 23 14:46:55 2011. There ya go. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat Apr 23 14:49:41 2011, in response to Re: Another GOPer with hateful ideas, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 23 14:47:51 2011. I will pitch for you tonight. Might be able to go the "distance". Have fun on a Saturday night. |
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