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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 16 19:10:13 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 18:17:48 2008. While I agree with most of what you say I do have to say that since Caro emphatically asserted that in his book it's more than a myth and urban legend. While Caro's book appears to be biased against Moses (especially the chapter on the Cross Bronx Expressway) there has to be some semblance of truth to it and it does fit Moses' character. Even Levitt put in the deeds to his houses in Levittown that you couldn't resell to Blacks and that's still on the deeds.By the way, on an unrelated note, something I found very interesting in The Power Broker, was when RM built the Central Park Zoo, he gave a key and lifetime visitation rights to former NY Governor and Presidential runner-up Al Smith, who lived on Fifth Avenue opposite the zoo, who loved zoos, so he could go to the zoo after midnight when it was closed. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 19:13:08 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 16 19:10:13 2008. Yes, the Power Broker is mostly biased against Moses. While I of course, believe it "could" be true, the more I read on it, the more I seem to believe it's a conspiracy theory that has been blown way out of proportion. Even RM couldn't have foreseen what buses would look like and eventually become when the parkways were designed and built in the 1920's and 30's. Buses were rare, and much smaller at that time.The zoo story is hysterical! |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jul 16 19:16:07 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jul 16 14:26:24 2008. Of course you are 100 percent wrong, again. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 16 19:17:35 2008, in response to Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 14:18:59 2008. I remember when Long Island taxi cabs had to cover their outside advertisements with black canvas to use the parkways.And when I became a NYC Medallian cabbie in the early 70's we were specifically told that taxis were prohibited on the Merrit Pkway in Connecticut, which is the extension of NY's Hutch. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 19:59:09 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 16 19:17:35 2008. I remember as a teenager, we were driving in my uncle's van, which is a passenger van with seats, and registered non-commercially, but he also was able to take the seats out and use it for his business. And he had those magnet signs you could put on the outside. I remember one day though, he was driving us kids somewhere (obviously it had the seats in it), but he forgot to take his magnet signs off the sides.....I remember us kids reaching down from those little van windows (they only open about an inch, and only as a vent), reaching down to grab hthe signs and pull them in, as we were on the Northern State when he realized he forgot to take the signs off.... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 16 20:25:07 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 18:53:35 2008. Every vehicle in the FDNY fleet uses the parkways, and the EMS Command has some pretty impressive monsters that rival heavy rescue units in size and weight. MERV (Mobile Emergency Response Vehicles) are like rolling operating rooms, chock-full with all kinds of medical gear, including full-sized "J" and "M" oxygen cylinders...a "Motor carrier" would need all sorts of permits to transport these...The lone exception to this is the FDR Drive, whose serious weight and structure-gauge restrictions forced FDNY to adapt special pumpers just for use on the FDR.All kinds of city agencies have trucks and other oversize apparatus (The NYPD's "Large" ESU Trucks, for example) that crisscross the city on parkways every day... |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 20:27:00 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 18:13:18 2008. Again, I'd rather have commercial traffic off the local streets. Trucks that can't use the Belt Parkway end up polluting local streets. The asthma rate in East Harlem is high because trucks can't use the FDR so they clog 1st and 2nd Avenue. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 20:51:16 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 19:07:32 2008. A tractor trailer doesn't have to use a parkway, however...it could use an expressway just as well. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 16 23:04:02 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 17:38:21 2008. Go home to your wife and leave us alone.Hope you never have kids, treat them like you treat us and your wife will be asking for a get. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 23:21:35 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Jul 16 16:59:34 2008. Actually, school buses are higher than RTS buses. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:31:29 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Jul 16 18:45:19 2008. I have no clue to be honest. I can't comprehend why they would deliberately design a highway to exclude vehicles larger than an arbitrary size. As a result of this, all of the commercial traffic heading to Long Island has to cram on the LIE. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 23:32:47 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 16 23:04:02 2008. In other words you haven't yet matured to the point where you can admit your mistakes and apologize for falsely accusing others of doing something wrong (like you did to SelkirkTMO). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 23:33:39 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:31:29 2008. I can't comprehend why they would deliberately design a highway to exclude vehicles larger than an arbitrary size.LOL |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 23:38:12 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 20:27:00 2008. So you think the pollution doesn't travel another 100 feet from the FDR to 1st Ave? LOL. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 23:40:30 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 20:51:16 2008. Who said otherwise? We are talking about "some" offical trucks. What is that, .0000006 of trucks? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 23:41:40 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:31:29 2008. What highway? There aren't any highways that don't allow trucks. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 23:42:46 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 16 20:25:07 2008. Thank GOD the emergency vehicles and FDNY vehicles traverse those parkways of the city everyday.... |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:44:13 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 18:14:31 2008. Any vehicle that can meet the height and/or weight requirements should be allowed on a parkway. If you're intimidated by large vehicles then you shouldn't be driving. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:46:49 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 23:41:40 2008. I was referring to parkways. It's a waste of money to build a stretch of road that excludes certain vehicles. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 23:51:35 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:46:49 2008. The parkways were built before trucks were popular. You are talking about roads that were designed in the 20's, built in the 30's. When it became clear that trucks were going to be a big part of the "future", they built highways, expressways, freeways, etc in the 50's. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 23:52:54 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:44:13 2008. Did you read my post where I said that SUV's, Pick ups, etc SHOULD be on the parkway? What didn't you understand in that? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 17 00:38:57 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 23:52:54 2008. you're asking Forest Glen what he didn't understand??? |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Jul 17 00:39:48 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:46:49 2008. Not when Robert Moses designed roadways to exclude 12 foot high buses so as to not bring in the "undesirables" to Long Island. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 17 00:39:51 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:46:49 2008. you're missing the point. chris has only repeated it, oh, about 20 times... |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Jul 17 00:41:48 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 17 00:38:57 2008. Your behavior is very anti-social and will lead to a very lonely existence. Try being agreeable with people and you will find your social network growing with people who WANT to be around you! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 17 05:01:11 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 16 14:27:14 2008. You don't need deep pockets to experiment. All you have to do is drive down in a regular car and check out the overpass clearance signs. Then look at the bus manual or call the manufacturer to find out how tall it is (or measure it yourself). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 17 05:07:55 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 15:19:07 2008. I was on school buses using parkways. I remember one time we were going on some field trip or something and a teacher was giving us a guided tour along the FDR Drive and she mentioned the UN, which would soon be passing, then our bus got off on 23rd Street and she apologized because the bus driver told her that the bus isn't allowed further up on the FDR.That implies that buses are allowed on portions of parkways but they're banned from areas with weight limits and height limits. Of course, it could be the bus was just driving on the parkway illegally but the driver knew about height/weight restrictions north of 23rd. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 17 05:12:08 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 20:27:00 2008. 1st and 2nd Avenues are wider than the FDR. If all those vehicles were on the FDR then the FDR would be slower. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 17 05:14:06 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Jul 17 00:41:48 2008. Why do you think he wants to be in a social network with idiots? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 17 05:16:26 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 19:07:32 2008. They should only use the parkway if they're engaged in roadwork on that same parkway in the area immediately after the interchange they used to enter.A work truck doing work on the Henry Hudson Parkway collapsed the Miller Elevated Highway (West Side Highway). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 17 05:19:20 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Jul 16 18:45:19 2008. The parkways were designed for leisurely weekend drives and not for transportation and freight. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 17 05:24:19 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 17 05:07:55 2008. Hmmm, interesting.... Like I said, until yesterday I never saw full length school buses on any of them (outside Ocean Parkway of course). it is very possible that they are only allowed on some portions. But then again, that would be a bit to subjective in my opinion....especially when dealing with a busload of kids! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 17 05:32:43 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 17 05:19:20 2008. That's exactly it.And also people have to remember, that in the 1920's when the parkways were designed, and in the 30's when most built, most frieght was still moving by rail, not road. Freight on the roads in trucks was not even really much of a thought back then. Trucks didn't really begin to "take off", until the 50's, and only really began some time in the 40's. Even "commuting" didn't really begin en mass until the 40's and more so the 50's. The parkways were mostly built by the 40's'. There were more extenstions past that, but by the 50's it was seen that Expressways would be necessary, and by the late 40's and into the 50's some of the parkways were converted to expressways, and other expressways built instead of parkways. People are trying to take today's thought, and trying to place it in an era of the past, and it can't be applied to their thinking back then, as it was a different time. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jul 17 08:34:39 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jul 16 19:16:07 2008. Of course you are 100 percent wrong, again.He's still hyperventilating over that Helen Mirren photo! Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jul 17 08:48:49 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 23:32:47 2008. It must be nice to be perfect. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 17 09:44:10 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:46:49 2008. However...AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION...such vehicles may not have been imagined. Of course, if they were, there may not have been a need to build an interstate highway. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 17 10:39:55 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 23:38:12 2008. So you think the pollution doesn't travel another 100 feet from the FDR to 1st Ave? LOL.The prevailing wind in NY is from the west, so he is correct. Air is much cleaner on average west of a source of pollution than east of it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 17 11:01:48 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 18:05:04 2008. Not to argue about the conspiracy theory if it did nor did not exist, this is what I remember reading in the Power Broker. Caro never said that buses would not fit under the overpasses. What he said was that they were deliberately rounded so they would not fit if you were under some right lane overpasses which were as low as 8 ft high, but would fit in the left lane which were never lower than 10 feet. However, since bus drivers did not know for a fact that they would fit under the overpasses in the left lane, none were bold enough to experiment, so they would just avoid the parkways altogether. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 17 11:13:54 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jul 16 19:16:07 2008. typical LAPDOG response |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 17 11:14:23 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jul 17 08:34:39 2008. lol |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 17 11:18:18 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 16 16:52:10 2008. ditto |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 17 11:20:05 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 18:50:23 2008. I prefer mine Al Dente. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 17 11:21:19 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 17 05:01:11 2008. All you have to do is drive down in a regular car and check out the overpass clearance signs.After a truck hit an overpass in Albany, a friend of mine who is a reporter for the Times-Union was sent out by her editor to measure overpass heights. She found that most of them were several inches higher than the sign stated (which is not surprising). But I agree, you don't need deep pockets, just measuring tape and time. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 17 11:21:40 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 17:38:21 2008. Why don't you just dry up and stop stalking people? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 17 11:22:29 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 23:32:47 2008. Dry up little boy |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 17 11:23:59 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jul 17 08:48:49 2008. Yeah he's perfect alright. A perfect asshole. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 17 11:25:35 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 23:32:47 2008. hahahahaha, YOU talking about people being mature, LOL. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 17 11:27:20 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 17 00:38:57 2008. Still stalkinmg forest glen I see, You must have a man crush on him, |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 17 11:30:06 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 23:44:13 2008. True Statement, Maybe we'll all get lucky and have TPs MAZDA (OR WHATEVER) FLATTENED BY AN 18 WHEELER. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 17 11:32:10 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 23:33:39 2008. Stop stalking people lest they report you to authorities. |
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