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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 14:18:59 2008 I was driving from Bushwick along the Jackie Robinson/Interboro parkway a couple hours ago, and all the way from the Bushwick Ave entrance ramp, right through to the Grand Central linterchange, there was a FULL length, full height school bus in front of me. Of course, it had to use both lanes to get through the Kew Gardens area, where it crosses by the subway, but it fit under all the bridges. I have always seen those mini school buses, or those "Access a Ride" buses on the JR Parkway, but never a full sized school bus.Then, about 15 minutes later, another full length school bus on the Grand Central (or it could have been the Northern State, I don't know if that was before I crossed the nassau border). I never saw them on the parkways before, I always thought full buses were not allowed on the parkways, or more so, that they wouldn't fit under the bridges, but obviously they do. And especially on the JR/Interboro Parkway, which aside from the Bethpage Parkway, seems to be the least upgraded parkway of them all. So much for the Robert Moses/Bus Consipiracy Theorists. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jul 16 14:26:24 2008, in response to Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 14:18:59 2008. Maybe since Moses' day some of the bridges have been adjusted upward to allow buses to pass under.Just in certain locations! You should ask a bus driver to say where it can or can't be done. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Wed Jul 16 14:27:06 2008, in response to Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 14:18:59 2008. Ignorant SB/Os. I can imagine the lawsuits that the "nanny parents" would have filed if any kids were hurt or even put in danger by that. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 16 14:27:14 2008, in response to Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 14:18:59 2008. So much for the Robert Moses/Bus Consipiracy Theorists.Just because a full sized school bus fits under overpasses on the J Robinson doesn't mean that a full sized charter bus (Greyhound style) fits on the Meadowbrook. It may or it may not. I doubt there's any bus driver around with deep enough pockets to experiment. Also, just because you saw them doesn't mean they're allowed. I once had the same thought when I saw a full sized charter bus on the Taconic, until I realized all it meant was he hadn't been caught. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 14:31:57 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 16 14:27:14 2008. Curious: How far up the Taconic was this? I ask because the Bee-Line 77 (which currently as of this post uses what would be a charter bus) uses the Taconic up to Shrub Oak. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 14:36:16 2008, in response to Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 14:18:59 2008. School buses are usually no taller than 9 feet. City buses and coaches can be anywhere from 10 to 12 feet ... or ...
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jul 16 14:39:03 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 14:36:16 2008. Where did that happen? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 14:40:26 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jul 16 14:39:03 2008. Seattle ... http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/359497_bus18.html |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 16 14:41:50 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 14:31:57 2008. A few years ago, north of I-84. It certainly wasn't supposed to be there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 15:15:02 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 16 14:27:14 2008. Just because a full sized school bus fits under overpasses on the J Robinson doesn't mean that a full sized charter bus (Greyhound style) fits on the Meadowbrook.The conspiracy theory is that RM built the bridges low to not have buses able to pass. They didn't have "full sized charter buses (Greyhound style) in the 1920's when the parkways were first designed, so that's irrelevant. They didn't even have many buses in the 1920's yet, as trolleys still reigned, but the ones they had are sort of like school bus size, school buses are still rather onld fashioned in designed compared to most buses out there today. And the "conspiracy theory" is that BUSES were designed NOT to fit (obviously 1920's-like buses, as those were the ones out there, as rare as they were in the 1920's). The Jackie Robinson is one of the least upgraded of all the parkways on Long Island (aside from Bethpage). Also, just because you saw them doesn't mean they're allowed. Not the point though, I was behind it the whole time from Bushwick Ave to the Grand Central, that's the full length of the JR Parkway, minus the stretch between Pennsylvania Ave and Bushwick Ave, and it fit, with room to spare under each bridge. And then I saw another one on the Grand Central about 15 minutes later (or it could have been the Northern, I don't know exactly where I was at the time). But really, I didn't want to get into a RM debate, that was just an aside....I was really trying to find out if they were allowed or not, I know the small mini school buses and the Access a ride buses are allowed, I have seen them many of times. This was a first for full length school bus though for me anyway. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 15:19:07 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 14:36:16 2008. That's a charter bus in the photo of course...they weren't around in the 1920's when Moses designed the parkways....But thanks for the dimensions of the school buses, I took note of the size limit on most of the bridges, since I was thinking about it behind this school bus.... And most said 10 feet and some were 12 feet too, add some inches. (One was 12.2).... So I guess they are allowed. Now comes the other question....I guess since we have Moses in this conversation....what did buses look like in the 1920's when the parkways were designed? My gut is they were the size of current school buses. I am amazed that the bridges on the JR Parkway were all over 10 feet, I thought the bridges were actually lower. And that parkway is one of the least upgraded of any of them it would appear (again, aside from Bethpage). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 15:20:03 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 14:40:26 2008. Haha, so the NY area isn't the only place with "Robert Moses Bridges" it appears! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jul 16 15:35:56 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 15:19:07 2008. Now comes the other question....I guess since we have Moses in this conversation....what did buses look like in the 1920's when the parkways were designed? My gut is they were the size of current school buses.A lot of "buses" at the time looked like strecthed passenger cars. I thought the bus myth was busted a long time ago. City of Long Beach 1928 Mack:  |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 16:13:23 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jul 16 15:35:56 2008. A lot of "buses" at the time looked like strecthed passenger cars. I thought the bus myth was busted a long time ago.Thank you. We must save this post for future reference, as I also thought that bus myth was busted a long time ago, but every so often it still comes up here in a post about that "bastard" Robert Moses that built the bridges to disallow buses....of course it's false, as the buses back in the 20's look like the ones you posted a photo of.....and today, I see, on one of the most unimproved parkways in the system, a full sized school bus traversed from end to end the JR Parkway. But anyway, really, the RM comment was only an aside, I was really only trying to figure out if school buses were allowed on the parkways....I always thought they weren't until I saw this today, I wonder if it was legal or not. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 16:29:29 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 15:19:07 2008. For a school bus, the average height is about 10'6" or so. A paratransit van (as is what is used by NYC Transit and Suffolk Transit, based on a Ford E series chassis, is about 9'6". |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 16 16:30:10 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 14:40:26 2008. Bad Request (Invalid Hostname).Fifty lashes with a wet noodle. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 16:31:47 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 15:19:07 2008. Yep, can only go by what I've read as far as Moses goes, but read the same "testimonial" in a number of publications including one or two from city historical sources as far as the deliberate design of the bridges to not only exclude buses, but trucks as well. Also dunno if those schoolbuses are supposed to have been there, but apparently they were and nobody died. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 16:36:11 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 16 16:30:10 2008. Try again, it IS valid ... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 16:37:06 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 16 16:30:10 2008. Works fine for me..... But anyway, it's a photo of a charter style bus, smashed under a RM-esque stone arch bridge. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jul 16 16:47:59 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 16:37:06 2008. The picture tells the story better. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jul 16 16:48:15 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 16:36:11 2008. I agree. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 16 16:52:10 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jul 16 16:48:15 2008. Worked for me, too. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Jul 16 16:59:34 2008, in response to Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 14:18:59 2008. School buses are not as tall at Coach/Tour buses. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 16 17:03:43 2008, in response to Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 14:18:59 2008. Buses have been allowed on the parkways for some time now. I've been seeing school buses on the parkways for over 20 years now. The big NYC Transit express buses regularly deadhead on the Grand Central towards the Nassau border. I remember when I was a kid in the 60's if we went on a school field trip to the city (I went to school in East Meadow) the bus would either take Post Avenue to the LIE or Merrick Avenue to Sunrise, NEVER the parkways. But things are different now.As far as I'm concerned NO trucks or buses should be allowed on the parkways, and that should include vans, pickups, or SUV's, period. To me "passenger cars only" should mean just that. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 16 17:07:20 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 16 14:27:14 2008. I once got pulled over on the Taconic for pulling a small utility trailer for luggage with my Harley. (My bike has a hitch) The bike even with the trailer is smaller than most cars. I didn't get a ticket for professional courtesy. I remember that stop well as the blond female trooper was one of the most beautiful cops I've ever seen. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 17:19:49 2008, in response to Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 14:18:59 2008. The overpasses of the Grand Central are fairly high (about 11 feet, tall enough for a school bus to pass). The Southern State has overpasses that are only about 7-8 feet high (thank you Robert Moses). I think school buses have parkway permits within the 5 boroughs. A portion of the BxM11 is on the Bronx River Parkway. Once, I was walking along the Brooklyn Bridge and I saw a coach bus on it. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 16 17:21:51 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 15:15:02 2008. It's more than a conspiracy theory. It was asserted in Robert Caro's 1400 page biography of Moses, The Power Broker. Whether it was true or not (the majority of the book is anti-RM) Caro stated that the overpasses were deliberately low to keep buses with minorities (i.e. Blacks) from the state parks such as Jones Beach. Most of the parkways were built in the 30's and 40's. The bridges from Merrick Road to Jones Beach had a higher clearance to allow trucks (delivery, construction, etc) to service Jones Beach. Since those days most of the overpassses on Long Island were rebuilt with higher clearances.["I know the small mini school buses and the Access a ride buses are allowed, I have seen them many of times"] They weren't allowed years ago either. ["The Jackie Robinson is one of the least upgraded of all the parkways on Long Island..."] The Jackie Robinson was completely renovated in the 80's. I know as I used it to commute to work in the 80's and it was closed for several years with numerous detours through the parks. Believe it or not it wasn't as wide as today and the divider was a very low divider (more like a curb) which cars regularly crossed out of control.
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Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 17:22:39 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 16 17:03:43 2008. As far as I'm concerned NO trucks or buses should be allowed on the parkways, and that should include vans, pickups, or SUV's, period. To me "passenger cars only" should mean just that.I think this is a flawed idea. I'd rather have commercial traffic on highways than local streets. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 16 17:38:21 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 16 16:30:10 2008. looks like you're wrong again. it works for me, just like it worked for the others. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 18:05:04 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 16 17:21:51 2008. It's more than a conspiracy theory. It was asserted in Robert Caro's 1400 page biography of Moses, The Power Broker. Whether it was true or not (the majority of the book is anti-RM) Caro stated that the overpasses were deliberately low to keep buses with minorities (i.e. Blacks) from the state parks such as Jones Beach.That **IS** the "conspiracy theory" we are talking about. Most of the parkways were built in the 30's and 40's. Yes, but designed in the 20's. And in the 30's, buses still weren't all that popular yet, trolleys still reigned. And even the ones that were around, were like the photo of the one RIPTA Hope posted. ["The Jackie Robinson is one of the least upgraded of all the parkways on Long Island..."] The Jackie Robinson was completely renovated in the 80's. I know that. I remember it well from when it had that small divider, and before the renovation. As I said though, "The JR Parkway is one of the least upgraded parkways on LI".... That doesn't say it's never been touched. Believe it or not it wasn't as wide as today and the divider was a very low divider (more like a curb) which cars regularly crossed out of control. Yup, I remember it well. It was about a foot or less high, and had a small curve in it. Until that time, that was the only addition to the road. For an "actual" RM Parkway, the closest we still have is the Bethpage Parkway (as I already mentioned), that parkway still has the "as designed" double yellow line only down the middle.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 18:12:01 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 16 17:03:43 2008. I totally agree. I like the parkways better because of the lack of trucks and buses. "Passenger cars only" should mean just that. But I think that sign actually says "No Commercial Vehicles" now in most locatioins. If you have a van (vans are allowed on the parkways) that doesn't have windows, or has let's say "Brooklyn Plumbers" on it, you can't drive on the parkways either, even though it's the same size as a van with seats in it, and windows. Until recently, even pick up trucks weren't allowed, but that I believe had to do more with the fact that in NY State you used to only be able to register pick ups as a commercial vehicle, thus banned from the parkways. But since they became very popular as passenger vehicles (and usually are on the exact same frame as SUV's, they are allowed now, as I think NYS changed the fact that you had to register them commercially. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 18:13:18 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 17:22:39 2008. I think this is a flawed idea. I'd rather have commercial traffic on highways than local streets.It's not flawed at all. And Commercial traffic IS banned from the parkways..... And the parkways aren't "Highways", they are parkways... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 18:14:31 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 18:12:01 2008. I forgot to add though that I don't agree about the part about the SUV's and Pick ups, they SHOULD be allowed. They have nothing to do with the bridges. All that would do is put more traffic on the LIE which dosen't need it. As for mini buses, yes, that's what I was agreeing with, they shouldn't be on the parkways, as they are too big. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 18:17:48 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 16 17:19:49 2008. The Southern State has overpasses that are only about 7-8 feet high (thank you Robert Moses).Here you go continuing the myth that RM only built the bridges that low because of buses and not allowing "blacks" to go to the beach. That has been disproved many times here, and is an urban legend. Look at what buses looked like in the 1920's and 30's. This myth is thinking of current buses, and trying to apply that to something that was in the 1920's when the parkways were designed, or the 30's when built. In the 20's and 30's, buses weren't popular at all, trolleys were, and no one could foresee what buses would become one day, or at least how big the normal buses are now, or even began to be by the 1950's. The parkways were mostly built already when buses began to be popular in the 1950's, or in the late 40's. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 18:18:50 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Jul 16 16:59:34 2008. I KNOW that..... Someone mentioned 9 feet, give or take. And the RM thing came up because buses were even SHORTER that 9 feet in the 1920's and 30's when the parkway system was designed and constructed. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 18:34:23 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 18:12:01 2008. Even if you put Passenger Cars Only...unless there is weight or height restriction, does that exclude vehicles with OFFICIAL plates on them (which aren't considered commercial vehicles for purposes of the VTL)?Case in point: Shore Parkway. Locally, if your plan were put into effect, it would hurt B83 customers, as the bus has a routing along a section saying Passenger Cars Only. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 16 18:35:51 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 16:36:11 2008. It is, sorry for the lashes with the wet noodle. :-)I got on. |
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Posted by pd11604 on Wed Jul 16 18:43:00 2008, in response to Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 14:18:59 2008. "Commercial" Vehicles as per registration are prohibited on ParkwaysBuses registered as "Bus" or "Omnibus" are not registered as commercial vehicles - maybe that is the loophole? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Jul 16 18:45:19 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by pd11604 on Wed Jul 16 18:43:00 2008. But why are commercial vehicles prohibited on Parkways? Whats is so wrong about a Comm. Veh. on a Parkway? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 18:46:07 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 16 17:03:43 2008. NYC Transit and MTA Bus Company buses with OFFICIAL plates, however, may not be considered buses or commercial vehicles in the technical sense for purposes of parkway restrictions restricting access to passenger cars (height and mass restrictions notwithstanding).That is a loophole that should remain in place. I am waiting to hear a good reason as to why this loophole should be closed. Many more would be HURT than helped with your plan. If you need examples of those who would be hurt, I can start naming them...starting with riders locally by me on the B83 line...to those on the Q46 line; the second busiest line in Queens after the Q44 (the Grand Central s a key deadhead route for Queens Village Depot)...to many more. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 18:47:09 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 18:13:18 2008. However...vehicles with OFFICIAL plates are NOT commercial vehicles for purposes of that rule. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 18:48:36 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by pd11604 on Wed Jul 16 18:43:00 2008. Another loophole is that paratransit vans are registered as Livery vehicles and regular buses have Official plates. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 18:50:23 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 16 18:35:51 2008. Not to worry, some of us LIKE wet noodles. :) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 18:52:05 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 18:46:07 2008. That should be modified to state to specifically exempt the local transit agency's buses or buses operated specifically under a contract to the local TA...BUT ONLY BUSES! As it stands now, a NYC Transit tractor-trailer carrying new track to a work site can use the parkways in NYC if there are no other physical restrictions, and not be in violation of the law, because the tractor AND the trailer are both registered as OFFICIAL vehicles, even though a Class A license is required of the operator. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 18:53:35 2008, in response to Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 14:18:59 2008. However...even though an exemption should remain for public TA buses (so long as there are no other height or weight restrictions), technically, a tractor-trailer of the NYC Transit Authority could use the Grand Central Parkway and not be breaking the law. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 16 18:59:09 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 18:05:04 2008. To me the closest parkway to an actual Robert Moses Parkway has to be the Meadwbrook entering Jones Beach and parts of Ocean Pkway (not the Bklyn one of course) where they still have the wooden light poles. When I was a kid I thought those lights were part of the definition of parkway!!! Not only the wooden lights but I remember the wooden guardrails and the old signs that looked like large school blackboards.I'm showing my age but I remember when the Northern State was all two lanes each way and the Grand Central was two lanes from the Kew Gardens Interchange to the Nassau line. When they widened it to three lanes they built that big Cross Island/Alley Pond/ Springfield Blvd interchange. Before the widening they were three regular cloverleafs. I also remember the 10 cent toll booths (later 25 cents) in Valley Stream. (At the State Trooper barracks and LI tourism center) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 19:04:23 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jul 16 18:59:09 2008. Well, my earliest rememberance is of all the wooden lights and the brown signs. I liked the way they looked like back then. I do remember when they widened the Northern (the time before the most recent, the most recent of course in the mid 90's from the Meadowbrook to the Wantaugh).But while the Bethpage lost it's lights, I still think, "roadwise", it is the closest to original, which were little two lane limited access roads. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 19:05:32 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 18:47:09 2008. Of course.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 19:07:32 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 18:52:05 2008. Well how are they supposed to get supplies to roadwork locations if they can't ride on the parkway? I have no problem with "official" vehicles on the parkways, so long as physically they can traverse. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 16 19:09:56 2008, in response to Re: Since when are buses allowed on the Parkways?, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 16 18:53:35 2008. I see nothing wrong with a NYC TA tractor trailor using the parkway. it's a goevrnment vehicle. Of course, that is so long as it can physically traverse the road. Also, OBVIOUSLY, trucks bringing supplies for roadwork projects have to be allowed. No problem allowing them, in fact, it would be silly not to allow them. |
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