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Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Feb 17 08:29:18 2026, in response to Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 17 01:07:53 2026. I assume it is like television, one out of every 3 people must be black and there are no marriages that are not interracial to reflect corporate norms. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 17 10:53:15 2026, in response to Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 17 01:07:53 2026. I guess not. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 18 11:12:08 2026, in response to Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 17 01:07:53 2026. Before answering your question, what is your basis for alleging that the members of the Russian mafia in the US are 100% Jewish? Your personal Jew-hating beliefs? Lets see some evidence.Also - if you would actually read history you'd have your answer. Jewish organized crime has never been exclusively Jewish. Even the legendary Jewish Mafia of the 1930's had Italian Catholic officers. Albert Anastasia, Joe Adonis (Joseph Anthony Doto) and Anthony Maffetore were all prominent members of the Jewish Mafia as well as the Italian Mafia. Harry Maione and Frank Abbandando were Murder, Inc. hitmen. Louis Capone (no relation to Al) and James Feraco were too. It is true that in the Italian mafia, only Italians can be "made men". But that does not mean that Jews could not be associates - a lot of the members of Murder, Inc. also did work for the Italian mafia. Think of "Hesh" in The Sopranos - not a made guy but important to the DiMeo Crime Family because of his business connections and available cash. |
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Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 18 12:00:51 2026, in response to Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 18 11:12:08 2026. Before answering your question, what is your basis for alleging that the members of the Russian mafia in the US are 100% Jewish? Your personal Jew-hating beliefs? Lets see some evidence.Jeez, he said "seems". He never said it was 100% Jewish. Since his question was about whether non-ethnic-Russians were allowed in the Russian mafia, even a percentage of them being Jewish would prove the point. The evidence is that there are plenty of Russian mobsters who are Jewish. Also - if you would actually read history you'd have your answer. Jewish organized crime has never been exclusively Jewish. Even the legendary Jewish Mafia of the 1930's had Italian Catholic officers. Completely different mafia. What is true is that the Italian and Jewish mafias worked together a lot, but they weren't members of each others cosa/schtick.* The difference is that these modern Jewish mobsters are members of the Russian mafia and not just their own mafia that works together. *Yes, that's the term. It's Yiddish. |
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Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Feb 18 13:13:26 2026, in response to Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 18 11:12:08 2026. ...were Murder, Inc. hitmen.You left out Murder, Inc's founder: Louis Buchalter, aka "Lepke". Here's a more complete list of the heritage, you wish to forget: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_mobsters |
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Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 18 13:31:59 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 18 12:00:51 2026. You certainly have a strange definition of "plenty". In the list you hyperlinked to, there are 56 names of mafia members, 7 of which are identified as Jewish. That's 12.5%. That constitutes "plenty" in your world?The Italian mafia has always operated differently than other mafias. Only the Italian mafia has "made men" - Italian Catholics who have committed murder and have taken the blood oath of loyalty to the Family before their families. The Jewish mafia was run more like a business (Murder Inc. is the perfect example) and as such, had no "made men". But if you had read what I had posted, you would have seen that there were Italians who were more than just "working with" the Jewish gangsters. There were Italians who were actual bosses and who commanded assassins, both Italian and Jewish. The two mafias worked a lot more closely than you think. What a stupid conversation. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 18 13:36:05 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Feb 18 13:13:26 2026. Can't you read? I wish to "forget" nothing. I never said that there were no Jews in the Jewish mafia. There obviously were. My point was that the Jewish mafia was not 100% Jewish. The post to which I was responding suggested that today's Russian mafia is 100% Jewish. My point was that not only is the Russian mafia not 100% Jewish, even the Jewish mafia of old wasn't 100% Jewish and did not require a blood oath. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 18 13:57:16 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 18 13:31:59 2026. 12.5% is significantly higher than the percentage of the Jewish population of the former Soviet Union, either now, or before the major Jewish exodus starting in the 1970s. That is plenty.It needs to be said that I don't think this is because Jews are more likely to be criminals (because we're obviously not), but the list of major leaders, not of all mobsters. They worked exactly as closely as I think. It wasn't stupid at all until you chimed in with your persecution complex. There's so much real and dangerous Jew-hatred and you accuse random organized crime buffs of being Jew-haters for no reason. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 18 14:47:01 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 18 13:36:05 2026. IAWTP |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 18 15:40:08 2026, in response to Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 18 11:12:08 2026. "...only Italians can be "made men""So technically, Junior Gotti could never be "made" because his mother Victoria, is of Russian-Jewish descent and not pure Italian |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 18 17:17:28 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 18 13:36:05 2026. Mitch, thank you for your thread participation.The Jews don't have a blood oath, because they aren't as superstitious or ritualistic as the Italians (who FBKLYN hates). The Jewish-Russian Mafiya is different. It stems from the Jewish experience in the old Soviet Union. You should know this stuff. Instead, you attack me, for simply stating a fact. The "Russian Mafiya" is actually a modern Jewish mafia that happens to be Russian (or from the old Soviet Union). |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 18 17:20:56 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 18 15:40:08 2026. Well, you're right. But Gotti thought he could do whatever he wanted. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 18 17:28:12 2026, in response to Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Feb 18 11:12:08 2026. Ok Mitch. It's overwhelmingly Jewish. Mostly Jewish. Jewish-centric?Vladimir Reznikov Boris Neyfeld America's "Russian Mafiya" is all (or about 99%) Soviet Jewish refugees. You should know this Mitch. You should be proud too. All Jews should be proud simply because all ethnic groups are proud of their Mafia. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 19 18:06:32 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 18 17:28:12 2026. People shouldn't be proud of criminals. That doesn't mean it's not interesting. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 19 18:13:24 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 19 18:06:32 2026. I understand what you mean.But ethnic criminals have always been supported by their own kind, with Italians probably being the proudest of the Mafia. Jewish mobsters don't capture the imagination of the public like Italians do. But "Russian" instead of "Jewish" is more intriguing. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Thu Feb 19 18:19:46 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 18 12:00:51 2026. Most modern Russian Jews are ethnically Russian(mean mostly that they speak Russian. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 19 18:22:34 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Dand124 on Thu Feb 19 18:19:46 2026. they speak Russian because they are from satellite countries that were part of the Soviet Union.I'd say most "Russian"-Jewish mobsters are from Ukraine and Belarus. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 19 19:14:09 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Dand124 on Thu Feb 19 18:19:46 2026. I think that's considered culturally and not ethnically. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 19 19:19:44 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 19 18:22:34 2026. The Jews who emigrated from the Russian Empire before the Jew Exclusion Act in 1924 were Yiddish speakers. Some of them didn't speak Russian at all.The Soviet Union officially treated Jews as equal citizens (but de facto discrimination was rampant) and nearly all of them spoke primarily Russian. My maternal grandparents and great-grandparents could speak Yiddish but my mother and her brother cannot. They could all speak Russian. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 19 20:21:48 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 19 19:19:44 2026. Yiddish sounds so cool.A shame it's not used anymore. Russian is an ugly language. I hate hearing it. Even their names are ugly. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Feb 20 10:55:39 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 19 20:21:48 2026. I speak Yiddish fluently and learned it as a child. My parents were both from Eastern Europe and Yiddish were their first languages. My father was very Americanized and he never spoke Yiddish to us. My mother was less so and always spoke in Yiddish to us. My paternal grandparents (father's parents; maternal grandparents were murdered in Auschwitz in 1944) did not speak a word of English so my brother and I were raised in Yiddish so we could speak with them. Unfortunately, with the passing of my parents and all of my Yiddish-speaking aunts and uncles, I don't have a chance to use it much anymore. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Feb 20 10:57:48 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 19 19:19:44 2026. Russian Yiddish sounds very different than Eastern European Yiddish. The accents are different and the dialect has differences too. My grandfather had a Russian-Jewish housekeeper for many years who spoke Russian Yiddish. Even though I am very fluent in Yiddish, I had a hard time understanding her because of the accent. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Feb 20 11:01:47 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 18 13:57:16 2026. "There's so much real and dangerous Jew-hatred and you accuse random organized crime buffs of being Jew-haters for no reason."Guilt by association is de rigeur these days. Jews everywhere get blamed for what Israel is doing, even though many Jews in the Israeli government are JINO's and are anti-religious. I object to anything suggesting that Jews as a group are associated with evil because the haters jump on that to blame all Jews. Epstein is a perfect example. Because he was a molester, to some that makes all Jews molesters. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 20 11:17:32 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Feb 20 11:01:47 2026. Guilt by association is de rigeur these days.Yep. And both the right and the left do this. :( My rule of thumb is that 5% of any group, more or less, are really bad people. No exceptions, just slight variations in the percentage. This applies both to ethnicity and to job description. (OK, maybe higher for self-employed debt collectors and similar specialties, but in general ...) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 20 12:10:44 2026, in response to Re: Wrong (Re: Jewish-Russian Mafia: attn: Spider-Pig, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Feb 20 10:57:48 2026. Yes!My grandma would pronounce the u in words like kugel and meshuggener as an “ee.” Anyway, that’s Ukrainian Yiddish. They didn’t let Jews live in what is now Russia before 1917. |
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