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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Aug 6 02:12:48 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Aug 6 02:09:35 2021. Hey, I'm imagining you chasing the chain snatcher.But even in the 50's my family says growing up on Eldert and Knickerbocker they felt like it was lower Ridgewood and shopped on Myrtle. People never embraced Bushwick until gentrification. Heck, people in East Williamsburg call that area Bushwick. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 6 03:26:04 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 5 19:55:12 2021. Many of the villages do not encompass the entire zip code. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 6 07:44:08 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 6 03:26:04 2021. For example, Patchogue and Patchogue village are all 11772. The Village doesn't have or need its own ZIP code. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 10:13:02 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Aug 6 02:07:46 2021. And? It still doesn’t explain why the former Newtown became part of the Flushing post office. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 10:14:44 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 6 07:44:08 2021. Which is an example of exactly what I am talking about. What are you arguing against? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 10:21:45 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 10:14:44 2021. I still don't get what you are saying. All of 11772 is Patchouge, A very small part of it happens to be an incorporated village within Patchouge itself. Patchogue that is not the village wraps around it on three sides (the fourth side is the water Why should the small part that's the Village have a separate post office? The same is true of Bellport/Bellport Village, Babylon/Babylon village. They are all "Babylon". A small part within the zip code is an incorporated village. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 10:24:45 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 10:21:45 2021. The borders of “11772” and the “Village of Patchogue” are not coterminous. This is true for every single village save one on Long Island. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 10:29:45 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 10:24:45 2021. Yes, they don't share the same borders. The incorporated part of Patchogue is a small part with Patchogue. It's all "Patchogue". You don't address an envelope "Patchogue Village, NY 11772". A part of Patchogue, a small part, us a village. I still don't get what you are getting at though. This isn't the same as "Flushing, NY for Ridgewood, or "Jamaica, NY" for Richmond Hill.For it to be the same, instead of saying "Patchogue, NY 11772", you would have to say "Brookhaven, NY 11772", as Patchogue is n the Town of Brookhaven, which is not done. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 10:38:14 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 10:29:45 2021. The towns haven’t existed for over 120 years. But they used to and the “postal cities” largely correspond to them with that one exception. I want to know why. “114xx” almost perfectly corresponds to the old Town of Jamaica and 111xx to the City of Long Island City.And there are towns (outside of Long Island) that are small and do not have multiple hamlets and villages inside. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Aug 6 11:27:37 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 10:38:14 2021. Upstate there are many towns with no villages inside. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 11:29:46 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 6 11:27:37 2021. It's confusing to say "towns" in NY, as NY uses Townships to group villages and unincorporated hamlets. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 11:37:27 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 6 11:27:37 2021. There also towns that are coterminous with villages like Scarsdale. So the fact that a town might function like a township on Long Island in 2021 says nothing about towns in western Queens County before 1898. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 11:38:12 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 11:29:46 2021. They’re called “towns”. There are no townships in New York. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Aug 6 11:45:11 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 11:29:46 2021. As SP says, the term is "town."In upstate, with the exception of cities, in general every bit of land is part of a Town. Some land is also part of a Village. Example: the Town of Hunter includes land that is also in the Village of Hunter or the Village of Tannersville. But most of the land in the Town of Hunter is not part of any other government entity below the County level. People who live in the Village of Tannersville pay taxes to the Village as well as to the Town and the County. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 11:50:20 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 6 11:45:11 2021. There are towns that are sufficiently small that there is only one named place within the town, and so that is also the post office name.Grand Island, NY in Erie County is one such example. |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Aug 6 12:16:05 2021, in response to Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 5 08:14:04 2021. A brazen crime happens in broad daylight (which does have a personal effect to me as it was visible out the windows of my Grandmother's house...)and you lot are all arguing about USPS policies. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 12:27:52 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by The Silence on Fri Aug 6 12:16:05 2021. Crime happens all the time. It’s not fascinating unless it’s somehow weird, someone died, or the police ignore it. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Aug 6 12:33:25 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 12:27:52 2021. And even most murders, while terrible, aren't interesting enough to discuss on OTChat. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 12:46:50 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 11:38:12 2021. Yes, but I don't know what Al was referring to. Many people say "a town like Sayville", or fill in a blank, when they mean a location, and really mean a Hamlet, not a Town. A Town is a distinct entity, that comprises many hamlets and villages, the town of Islip, the Town of Babylon, the Town of Oyster Bay, and so forth. And to further confuse things, these towns often have hamlets or villages with the same name within them.....Islip the xip code, the hamlet of Brookhaven, the hamlet of riverhead, and so forth....not to be confused with the vast multi hamlet Town of the same names |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 12:49:00 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 6 11:45:11 2021. "Town" can be confusing, and that's why I brought it up. Many people will incorrectly call a hamlet a "town". That's all I was getting at. See my previous post |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 12:50:06 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by The Silence on Fri Aug 6 12:16:05 2021. The subthread was more interesting |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 13:15:13 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 12:46:50 2021. What you’re saying is true on Long Island but is not true for all New York towns. Even on Long Island, the exception to that is Shelter Island. There is a village on Shelter Island but pretty much everyone refers to the whole thing as Shelter Island.The point being is that there are towns which are basically treated not as a township but as a single entity. This is relevant because the discussion went to why the former Newtown is treated as part of the former Flushing by the post office. And there actually was a Village of Flushing, but the other villages and hamlets that used to exist in the Town of Flushing also have “Flushing, NY” ZIP codes. The 3 cities, 9 towns, and 12 villages that Greater New York replaced in 1898 are represented by the stars on the flag of the NYPD. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 13:27:03 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 12:49:00 2021. Yes, very informative. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 13:27:48 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 12:50:06 2021. I agree.And still no one knows why Queens has its weird post office system. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Aug 6 14:53:37 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 12:46:50 2021. A Town is a distinct entity, that comprises many hamlets and villagesTrue on LI but not necessarily true upstate. Many upstate towns don't comprise many hamlets and villages, or even more than one. The Town of Halcott in Greene County comprises a single hamlet (more like a cluster of houses than a hamlet - I don't think it really has stores), and has a total population of 248. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Aug 6 14:59:59 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 6 12:49:00 2021. OK, I certainly agree with that. "Town" has a specific legal meaning. It has a government, and its residents pay real estate taxes to it. Same for an actual "Village" or "City" but obviously many people use the word for places that are none of the above. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Aug 6 16:27:05 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 10:38:14 2021. The Great Neck Post office has 9 villages in it. Lake Success, Kings Point, Great Neck Village, Great Neck Estates, Great Neck Plaza, Kennsington, Saddle Rock, Thomaston, and Russell Gardens. Even with all that there are some unincorporated areas. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 6 17:04:29 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 13:27:48 2021. Yeah we don't know anything new after all this! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 18:00:16 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Aug 6 16:27:05 2021. Wow. Those Great Neckers really like incorporating villages. We should call them the Village People. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 18:02:40 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 6 17:04:29 2021. I did learn something new, though: I didn’t know that the last two digits of Queens ZIP codes do not repeat. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Aug 7 00:04:35 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by pragmatist on Thu Aug 5 11:46:51 2021. when i lived on 6412 20th avenue it was considered bensonhurst, although originally that section was "mapleton", and the post office is named "parkville". |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Aug 7 00:31:37 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Aug 5 15:14:10 2021. i think it's because brooklyn was developed with a grid pattern of straight streets. with exceptions of course but mainly straight streets. on basically flat land. most of it wasnt descended from old established towns. from fields, farms and plains direct to developed streets which eventually all merged amd all land was filled in.queens was different, with its variegated topography, established towns and villages, old country paths and waterfront settlements. the sense of the old towns lingers. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 7 08:53:04 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 6 18:00:16 2021. Four of the nine have their own police departments. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 7 09:00:16 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by ntrainride on Sat Aug 7 00:04:35 2021. My grandmother was 71-04 20th (over a store) until they moved to a Coney Is high rise co-op. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 7 09:49:57 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 7 08:53:04 2021. Port Washington (which is in East Egg, not West Egg) has its own PD without being a village. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 7 09:52:14 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 7 09:00:16 2021. They don’t use the dash in Brooklyn. Although I’ve seen it on 5 digit addresses in Canarsie and Bay Ridge. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Aug 7 10:01:19 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 7 09:49:57 2021. PW PD predates NCPD and is actually a police district sanctioned by the State Legislature. Lots of the areas in NC have their own PD providing patrol services, particularly ones with money. They will also contract with NCPD for many services. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Aug 7 11:10:50 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Aug 6 02:12:48 2021. I was in Ridgewood the other day. I forgot how nice it is over there |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 7 13:00:18 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by pragmatist on Sat Aug 7 10:01:19 2021. Patchogue Village and Bellport Village have "Code Enforcement", which is usually retired real Police. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 7 13:04:55 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 7 09:52:14 2021. Correct. Ridgewood, being the abormality in queens actually us half and half. The parts that retained their old Brooklyn numbers generally don't....1832 Whatever Street. On the other side of Forest Ave, they jump from the Brooklyn numbers system to the Queens number system jump from 2032 Whatever At to 60-16 Whatever Street. Odd stuff.Further.ore, much of Ridgewood retained their old original street names, and others went to the Queens number streets ...sometimes intermixed street to street!! Very odd. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 7 13:18:45 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Aug 7 11:10:50 2021. It's "trendy" now. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Aug 7 20:59:02 2021, in response to Re: Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Aug 7 13:18:45 2021. For sure |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 8 09:38:15 2021, in response to Ridgewood chain snatching, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 5 08:14:04 2021. East Patchogue drive-by. |
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