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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by North Brooklyn on Mon Feb 15 13:25:57 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 13:22:33 2016. Can we please let this tread die? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Feb 15 13:50:43 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 12:24:26 2016. Thank you. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Feb 15 13:53:35 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 13:19:32 2016. What people care about is what effects SBS is having on ridership today.Sadly, there's no way to reliably measure that. The only way to measure what effect something has is to compare conditions without it against conditions after it's added. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Feb 15 13:55:04 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 10:41:03 2016. Try it, for a change, and see. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 14:01:12 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Sat Feb 13 07:46:54 2016. I was never bent deceitful. I have insisted since the Woodhaven BRT plan was unveiled that DOT is being deceitful by using the terms interchangeably. You can check my articles on Sheepsheadbites as proof. So why don't you place deceit where it belongs n DOT?Existing SBS routes can only be defined as BRT when adhering to the MTA 's statement that SBS is the MTA's version of BRT. It was a moot point until DOT changed what they were proposing for Woodhaven after the community meetings began increasing the proposed cost by ten times. |
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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 14:05:40 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Sat Feb 13 07:42:07 2016. The only way they are related is that just as the Mayor proposed to fund and operate the East River LRT, he could do the same for the Rockaway Beach right if way if he were so inclined. The 7 extension shows there are ways to get around the MTA when they do not want to do something. They were firmly against a 7 extension saying they would not fund it due to other more pressing priorities, but Blomberg got around that one. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 14:08:49 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Feb 13 00:06:01 2016. You asked me about travel tines from Howard Beach, not where the busway would start. quit confusing things.I am assuming the buses would turn from Cross Bay to Liberty for a few blocks where it would ramp up and enter a busway. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 14:10:23 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Sat Feb 13 07:36:40 2016. Those so called engineers who supposedly believe in safety have caused a lot of dangerous conditions. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 14:16:12 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Feb 4 20:48:07 2016. Apparently, you are the one who hasn't read the plan or doesn't understand it, not me.I will only address 97 Avenue. It is not proposed to be a sidewalk stop but a main roadway stop. Also DOT is proposing SBS and express buses use the main roadway over Atlantic Avenue and not the service roads. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 15 14:18:08 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 14:16:12 2016. What bus would stop at Atlantic Av ? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 15 15:23:02 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 14:08:49 2016. What will the northern (the one near Rego Park) busway exit be? I'm looking for a street intersection. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 15 15:24:30 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 15 14:18:08 2016. What bus would stop at Atlantic Av ?The local (non-SBS) buses would stop at Atlantic Av. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 15 15:30:06 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 15 15:24:30 2016. With some sort re-branded LIRR rapid transit-style Atlantic Branch service after ESA opens in 2022, I think the ulterior motive could be to jettison any smart idea anyone has about re-opening Woodhaven station. There could be some synergy between that and SBS. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:32:27 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 13:16:34 2016. If someone does, their analysis cannot be taken seriously. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:34:29 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 14:01:12 2016. But they are not being deceitful. They mean the same exact thing. You just don't understand that.And the DOT never changed what they were proposing, regardless of whether you understand the difference between engineering costs and construction costs. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:35:30 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 14:05:40 2016. Exactly, they aren't related at all.The MTA was not against the 7 extension at all. You misunderstand that too apparently. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:44:11 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 14:16:12 2016. That is not true. There is no island stop for 97 in the plan.It is a local only sidewalk stop. Express buses are to make Atlantic. Therefore they cannot use a lane which will be grade separated from the bus stop they are to use. It is like you have never looked at the plan. Hmm.... |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:45:06 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 15 14:18:08 2016. Local and Express buses are to stop there. Not SBS. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 20:46:11 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Mon Feb 15 13:50:43 2016. You're welcome. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 20:46:35 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 13:21:01 2016. I don't. But why do YOU keep responding with such useless comments? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 20:47:02 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by North Brooklyn on Mon Feb 15 12:47:45 2016. Fuck you, loser. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:47:21 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 13:19:32 2016. Only if you are paranoid. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 20:48:18 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:32:27 2016. Exactly! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 20:48:27 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 13:16:34 2016. So what? They're wrong. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:49:00 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by North Brooklyn on Mon Feb 15 10:42:41 2016. Perhaps you should stop trying to play moderator? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 20:50:04 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 13:19:32 2016. LOL!!!! You are so wrong. You obviously know little or nothing about Transportation Planning! Have you ever done a transportation impact analysis?? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 20:50:23 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by North Brooklyn on Mon Feb 15 13:25:57 2016. Are you stupid? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 20:50:41 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 13:22:33 2016. No, the problem is that you are incorrect. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 20:51:09 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:34:29 2016. AGREED! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 20:53:27 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:35:30 2016. Exactly, they aren't related at all.Exactly! The MTA was not against the 7 extension at all. You misunderstand that too apparently.100% correct. BrooklynBus has not a clue. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 20:54:11 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 14:10:23 2016. Proff????????????????????? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 20:55:29 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:44:11 2016. Haha!!!!!! |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 21:01:09 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 14:16:12 2016. For your information, the layout at 97th avenue is as follows.(directly quoted from the plan) East Sidewalk. 9' Local Bus stop/parking 11' Travel lane 7' Median 12' Bus lane 10' Travel lane 11' Travel lane (unspecified width divider) 11' Travel lane 10' Travel lane 12' Bus lane 7' Median 11' Travel lane 9' Local Bus stop/Parking So... How is the local bus stopped 18 feet outside of the bus lane going to stop an SBS bus in the bus lane? |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 21:05:24 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Mon Feb 15 13:53:35 2016. Exactly! |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 21:09:51 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 13:19:32 2016. And what you get by looking at this year vs last year on a not recently converted SBS is what effect factors OTHER THAN THE SBS improvements have on the SBS lines.It is absolutely useless to determine the success OF THE SBS IMPROVEMENTS. (But I and others have repeatedly told you that (as indirectly did your fifth grade math teacher most likely.), so I doubt it will sink in on the 273rd time.) Given data: 3X=15 AR: But what if Y=7 Everyone else: DOESN'T MATTER. X STILL IS 5!!! |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Feb 15 21:15:23 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 13:16:34 2016. You sound like Faux News: "Many are saying that the moon is made of green cheese. What can we say about that, Bill?" And because it's Faux News, Bill will never say, "That's nonsense."But it's still nonsense. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 16 00:58:39 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Mon Feb 15 21:15:23 2016. When they asked for a show of hands at the 11/30meweting who was against SBS about 100 hands went up. When asked how many were for SBS only one hand went up. That was because as more people are learning the truth, fewer are believing the lies. When DOT first presented their proposal, it was like 90 percent in favor, but as more questions are asked and adequate responses are not being received, the more people are wising up. That's why it is not faux news. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 16 01:08:08 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 21:09:51 2016. The world is evolving. It is not stagnant. Old data is irrelevant today, any way you look at it. It is supplanted by more recent data. Only SBS supporters like yourself discount newer data in favor of older data that show what you want it to show. I notice how you conveniently ignore the B44 where the first years data was negative and therefore not revealed by the MTA. Yes pick and choose the data you want to show to substantiate your predetermined conclusions that SBS is the broad success you want it to be. Cite MTA statistics that show 99% of riders favor SBS. Just don't ask Q44 riders how they feel about the fare machines being out for three weeks and what they think of having to get off at the next stop and miss a bus everyday. Many are now avoiding the SBS altogether until the problems get fixed. And that is two week old data. Recent enough for you or will you dismiss it as useless anecdotes like you dismiss any negative news about SBS?The MTA and SOT first need to show they are capable of satisfactorily running these routes before they commit to more routes costing millions more to operate annually. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 16 01:12:20 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:34:29 2016. I am not the only one who will swear that DOT change their proposal. I have at least a half dozen witnesses who attended the meetings that you did not attend so we know what was said. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 16 01:14:00 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:35:30 2016. Why do you think Bloomberg agreed to have the City fund it? It was because the MTA refused. They told the City if you want it built, then you go pay for it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 16 01:15:27 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 15 15:23:02 2016. You will have to ask the proposers. Go to the Woodhaven Residents Block Association's website. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 16 01:18:35 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 15 14:10:23 2016. The widely reported fiasco by NYSDOT with the temporary Gowanus signage which caused countless motorists to miss the Belt Parkway exit, and as I pointed out the problems with the permanent signage. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 16 01:21:52 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:45:06 2016. This proves you don't even know what is being proposed, but it doesn't stop you from commenting and spreading untruths. The only buses that will be stopping at Atlantic Avenue will be local buses. SBS and express buses will instead stop at 93 Avenue under the proposal and those transferring from the Q24 will have to walk three blocks. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 16 01:25:24 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 20:44:11 2016. I don't know what plan you are referring to, maybe the original $20M proposal? The current one which is Concept 2 that is now being altered, calls for no express or SBS buses at Atlantic because those buses will be using the overpass.Looks like you never looked at the plan or are looking at an old one. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 16 01:26:12 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 15 20:55:29 2016. HaHa!!! You are both wrong. You just agree with anything he says. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 16 01:31:20 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 15 21:01:09 2016. I was talking about SBS and express buses, not local buses. The bus stop you refer to says specifically "local bus stop." That is because express and SBS buses will not stop there. They will stop in the "!2 foot bus lane" in the center roadway. You are misreading the proposal.Again if you had attended the meetings DOT made it quite clear what they were proposing at 97th Avenue. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Feb 16 03:02:44 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 16 01:21:52 2016. Atlantic avenue is Local and Express. There is no 93rd avenue stop. The Southbound Atlantic Ave stop will be between 93 and Atlantic, but the NB will be between 95 and Atlantic. The closest SBS stops are 91 av and 101 AvBut even if it were at 93rd? How would that change my point? the Woodhaven through lanes are still elevated at 93 avenue. Have you ever even been on Woodhaven boulevard?? |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Feb 16 03:09:49 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 16 01:25:24 2016. I am quoting the proposal the DOT has made. The current one. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Feb 16 03:12:33 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 16 01:08:08 2016. Modern data tells you how the line is doing today. IT SAYS NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT WHAT THE EFFECTS OF THE SBS CHANGES ARE. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Feb 16 03:15:20 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 16 01:31:20 2016. But the actual proposal directly disputes your claim. |
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