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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 18 16:43:55 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by AlM on Thu May 16 23:02:40 2019.

This is what that first one replaced (sorry I can't figure out how to get the aerial view of the past). As a pedestrian who has crossed that intersection before and after, the "after" is much better. Especially since cars from the west on Washington Ave were on a downhill at 45 MPH before reaching that crosswalk. Only having to worry about 1 lane at a time and no more turning traffic being obscured by waiting cars makes this a win for safety.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 18 16:45:58 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 17 07:11:16 2019.

Thanks, glad to know the concept is gaining traction in NYC.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun May 19 03:34:38 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat May 18 10:50:02 2019.

Routes 7 and 9 intersect at that circle. When I was up there we called it "Latham Corners":).

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by AlM on Sun May 19 12:39:39 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 18 16:45:58 2019.

It seems like one more item in the tool kit for intersections, in addition to:

- regular red/green signals
- yellow/red blink lights
- 4-way stops, possibly also augmented with double-red blink lights
- 2-way stops (or yields), where traffic on the lesser street just has to wait for an opening
- overpasses (e.g., major artery streets like Fordham Road or Grand Concourse)

And of course it takes more space than any of the above, which will limit its use in NYC.




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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun May 19 16:40:39 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 17 15:53:40 2019.

People who blow red lights arenít going to blow HAWKs?

The idea is that dark to double red is more conspicuous than green-yellow-red.

A standard three color light can have a flashing red.

But it doesn't mean the same thing as a wig-wag on a HAWK.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 19 16:45:57 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by AlM on Sun May 19 12:39:39 2019.

And of course it takes more space than any of the above, which will limit its use in NYC.

It can take the same amount of space, depending on the intersection.

For example, if there are left turn lanes on one of the intersecting roads. I could see traffic circles replacing quite a few Northern Blvd intersections.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 19 18:37:18 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun May 19 16:40:39 2019.

Still not sold.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 19 19:58:06 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun May 19 03:34:38 2019.

Route '2,7'(Troy Schenectady Road) and 9.
Its Latham Circle today
Alternate 7 is right up the road off the Northway I87.
Area has changed over the years.
Got rid of the old LATHAM CIRCLE MALL...built a new plaza type in its place.
Latham Farms hasn't changed much.



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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon May 20 00:54:20 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 19 19:58:06 2019.

Ah , ha! Thank you, Edwards!


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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue May 21 14:50:06 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 19 19:58:06 2019.

Officially stated by a bigoted asshole.


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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 22 07:42:11 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue May 21 14:50:06 2019.

Whatever.
Whalescum.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 22 08:10:43 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat May 11 20:57:36 2019.

We have a uniform standard already which is from 400 feet to 600 feet. There are a few that are 200 feet apart and a few greater than 600 feet. What needs to be looked at are the ones that are 200 feet apart to determine why. Usually it is because it is in front of a major land use. Some 200 feet stops could be 400 or 600 feet apart and some 400 feet stops coukd be 600 feet apart, but greater than 600 feet where there are residences is not advisable because in some cases you already have to walk a quarter mile to get to the bus route, so widening the stops further may mean too long of a walk to the bus.

People don't want to take a bus if they have to walk a half mile at both ends if the ride is on,y a half mile long to begin with. Why pay for a ride if you have to walk two thirds of the distance? That's why people take cabs.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 22 08:13:03 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun May 12 19:00:50 2019.

Yet we have bus lanes in effect when service is far les than every ten minutes. Because the goal is to punish drivers more than it is to help bus riders.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 22 08:23:35 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed May 15 19:13:25 2019.

Never said anything like that.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by AlM on Wed May 22 08:35:20 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 22 08:13:03 2019.

Yet we have bus lanes in effect when service is far les than every ten minutes.

Where is that?



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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 08:44:00 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by AlM on Wed May 22 08:35:20 2019.

Kings Highway on weekends.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by AlM on Wed May 22 08:51:02 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 08:44:00 2019.

Hmm. Second Ave. in Manhattan has long had bus lanes that only apply at certain times of day (7-10 and 2-7, M-F). You'd think the Brooklyn bus people could have taken notice?




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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 09:08:28 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by AlM on Wed May 22 08:51:02 2019.

More recently they don't bother. See Woodhaven Blvd. It's clear they're just fucking with drivers.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed May 22 09:34:41 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 22 07:42:11 2019.

Racist moron.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by AlM on Wed May 22 09:42:09 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 09:08:28 2019.

Well, we do have a mayor who cares so much about his constituents, don't we? :(


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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 23 10:32:00 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by AlM on Wed May 22 09:42:09 2019.

When he's not running for President or at the gym when he should be working.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 23 10:36:05 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri May 10 14:01:59 2019.

Journey to work are not the only trips that matter. In fact those using buses as feeders have short bus travel times so speed isn't that important for them. It's the other trips that we need to reduce passenger trip times.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 23 10:40:28 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat May 11 20:58:51 2019.

There are many other ways to reduce trip time. Updated routes to reduce the need for a connection. Not removing bus stops that increase your likelihood of missing a bus, holding buses to meet a train connection at major stops during the off-peak, having bus drivers stop to pick up passengers when they are supposed to, etc,

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 23 10:44:36 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed May 15 05:59:02 2019.

I didn't say I don't keep my eyes moving, but I concentrate on what's in front of me. The claim was I should have noticed a school a hundred feet away. You look for imminent danger. You don' t do a survey of land use or scenery while driving.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 23 10:46:35 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Allen45 on Tue May 14 06:00:55 2019.

Even worse. Who is going to school at 10 PM? Proves this is just a money grab, not for safety.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 23 10:50:13 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 16 06:11:05 2019.

Correct. When there is a mid block crossing, there used to be pedestrian activation. Most activation signals have been removed so cars must stop unnecessarily even when no pedestrians are crossing. A waste of time and gas to force you to go slow when it is not necessary.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 23 11:06:47 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed May 15 19:17:15 2019.

No cameras should be traps to raise revenue.

You say it isn't worth the hassle for an officer to write a ticket for 25 mph, yet they do. It also isn't worth the hassle for many to take off a day from work to fight it.

From what I have seen, the Highway Patrol uses discretion in not stopping someone doing more than 50 mph, and concentrate on those going 70.

What statistics disprove what I believe? That someone is more likely to die if hit at 30 mph instead of 25 mph? What about those that are hit who shouldn't be crossing in the first place? Why is that statistic hidden? So we all have to drive slower just in case someone decides to cross the street when or where he shouldn't be crossing in the first place?

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 23 11:08:45 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed May 15 19:09:22 2019.

Not knowing anything obviously doesn't prevent you from offering an opinion.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 11:14:12 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 23 11:08:45 2019.

His post was really insane.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 23 11:29:08 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 13 18:47:48 2019.

And where in my previous post did I claim that you don't drive?

And where did I oppose the 30 mph speed limit?

And where did I propose different speed limit signs on every block in Manhattan?

There you go again just making up things I never said.

What opposed was lowering the default speed limit from 30 to 25.

Of course someone could still be killed crossing Queens Blvd at intersections even with the fencing. So what? No solution is applicable in every single case. But the fencing did a tremendous amount of good. Pedestrians were also given longer crossing times so you no longer have to wait at an island for the signal to turn green again, because some fools used to try and outrun the cars and consequently were killed. God forbid a pedestrian shou,d wIt for two cycles to cross, but cars must wait for two or three cycles some times and that's fine and good because no one has any business driving. Still, I wasn't opposed to lengthening the walk signals. BUT LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT THAT DRIVERS DO NOT ABIDE BY ANYWAY BECAUSE 25 mph ON QUEENS BLVD IS RIDICULOUS, did not in any way REDUCE the numbers of pedestrian deaths.

You make seem that NYC has an abundance of free parking which just is not true. It is rare that you can find a free space without looking. And meters are not cheap either. From $1.50 an hour to around $5 an hour. Off street parking is as high as $35 a half hour, $60 an hour, and $80 a day. And we still have traffic congestion.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 23 11:31:26 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed May 15 19:11:35 2019.

I have no problem with push button activated signals.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 23 12:06:56 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 9 13:49:12 2019.

1. Yes your experience. This is coming from someone who wasn't aware NYC has parking meters.

3. The point wasn't that removing your stop causes you to walk longer to the next stop, but increases the likelihood of you missing the next bus adding 10 or 20 minutes to your trip by having to walk further. You say I should just leave home earlier. So why just don't we reduce the frequency of all bus service. It won't matter. You will just have to leave home a little earlier. Or should I only be the one who should have to leave home earlier?

4. That assumes every bus carries 60 people. That is the difference between us. You deal with theory and I care about what is actuallly happening.

5. SBS was started because it was assumed it would be better utilized because the service it provides is somehow superior. The FACT that bus usage on most SBS routes is declining proves it is not as superior as was claimed. If it is declining more or less isn't the issue. It was supposed to increase patronage.

6. That's correct. Either it makes a profit or it doesn't. And when all costs are considered, SBS does not make a profit but is more expensive to operate than conventional service. So why should be continue to expand SBS, when resources are so scarce and ridership is not increasing on most SBS routes? Why not use our scarce resources to provide better service on routes that are cheaper to operate? And of course costs were not a factor because SBS is one big hoax.

7. How do you conclude that eliminating my bus stop increased the average bus speed by one mph? The fact is the stops were so lightly utilized that only about ten buses per day had to make both stops (the stop that was eliminated and the adjacent stop) on the same trip. So virtually no time was saved at all by eliminating that single stop. All it did was inconvenience the few riders who used the stop.




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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 23 12:34:36 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed May 22 09:34:41 2019.

L😆L!

Yet, here You are.
A so called 'jew',who supports the radicals positions pertaining to racism,and the cruelty it entails.
You wear your bigotry like a badge of honor.
And because I PULL YOUR CARD ABOUT IT, I'M THE RACIST.

SO,since you are a Real NIGGER,keep on keeping it real.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 13:12:31 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 23 11:29:08 2019.

His comments on parking are not applicable as he sincerely believed that all available curbside parking was free.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by AlM on Thu May 23 14:25:38 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 23 11:06:47 2019.

Why is that statistic hidden?

What makes you think that statistic is known? Does anyone assign fault in the case of vehicle-pedestrian accidents that don't end up in court?



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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by AlM on Thu May 23 14:27:42 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 11:14:12 2019.

Well, literally the meters are gone, aren't they? An out of towner without a car might not realize they were still there in spirit and in finance.





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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 14:37:08 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by AlM on Thu May 23 14:25:38 2019.

Insurance companies.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 14:37:53 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by AlM on Thu May 23 14:27:42 2019.

IMO, the Muni Meters are more noticeable to a pedestrian than to a driver who doesn't try to park.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by AlM on Thu May 23 14:46:43 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 14:37:08 2019.

I suspect they consider their findings proprietary and don't share them.

If the insurer thinks their client is at fault, they aren't going to say so; they'll just be much more likely to settle. And in serious auto-pedestrian accidents, the pedestrian isn't usually represented by an insurer, but only by a lawyer.



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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by AlM on Thu May 23 14:48:27 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 14:37:53 2019.

To some pedestrians, yes. But to pedestrians who don't care about cars, not necessarily.



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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu May 23 15:56:43 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by AlM on Thu May 23 14:25:38 2019.

Does anyone assign fault in the case of vehicle-pedestrian accidents that don't end up in court?

The responding NYPD officer will fill out a collision report. The NYPD collision report lists a cause/causes for the collision. I haven't looked at a NYS MV104. The NYPD form is supposed to follow the state form.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by pragmatist on Thu May 23 16:23:14 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by AlM on Thu May 23 14:48:27 2019.

While the individual meters are no longer in place, the signs along a block indicating metered parking with hours in effect, zone for app users, etc are still quite visible.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 17:53:54 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu May 23 15:56:43 2019.

Police donít assign fault.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 17:55:21 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by AlM on Thu May 23 14:46:43 2019.

The autoís insurance carrier will assign fault even if the pedestrian never files suit.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by AlM on Fri May 24 03:46:31 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 17:55:21 2019.

Yes, but I doubt we'll ever find out what they decided, either individually or in aggregate.

I'm saying that I believe the failure to release statistics is not the fault of a public authority.




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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by AlM on Fri May 24 03:48:17 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by pragmatist on Thu May 23 16:23:14 2019.

Of course. If you care, you see them. But I know many New Yorkers who don't have the slightest clue about parking regulations.



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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by JerBear on Fri May 24 04:26:36 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 13:12:31 2019.

Actually, they are applicable, because there are free parking spots throughout the city that are built on commercial properties, and pricing is not a binary state. Pricing too low and pricing too few spaces has a similar effect to not charging at all. In a city where a small meal can easily cost $12, is $2 an hour for parking expensive enough to make you consider not driving here next time? Nope.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri May 24 04:58:54 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by AlM on Fri May 24 03:48:17 2019.

Sometimes it works to the locals' advantage perhaps. The famous one, though they've since reworded, was the "No Standing Except Commercial Vehicles, 3 hour limit, muni meter, blah blah, 7AM to 6PM."

I've had passengers look at me with horror when I've pulled my ordinary car into such a spot at 6pm, parked for free and walked away, as they were so sure it couldn't be that easy.

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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by AlM on Fri May 24 05:07:18 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by JerBear on Fri May 24 04:26:36 2019.

because there are free parking spots throughout the city that are built on commercial properties

Sure. But not in dense areas of the city.

And the rate for metered parking in much of Manhattan is now $4 per hour, with garages not being any less expensive unless you need like 12 hours of parking.



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Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?

Posted by AlM on Fri May 24 05:11:04 2019, in response to Re: Will Queens Bus Redesign really speed things up?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri May 24 04:58:54 2019.

Yes, knowing where you can park for free for the next 12+ hours if you get there at just about exactly 6 PM or 7 PM, depending, is a wonderful thing.

Also nice to know about are the 2 hour meters that expire at 7. You can park there at 5, pay for 2 hours, and spend your evening as you wish with no worries.



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