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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 7 21:00:37 2018 https://foresthillspost.com/queens-boulevard-will-see-linear-park-q60-bus-run-median-dots-ambitious-plan |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 8 07:52:40 2018, in response to Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 7 21:00:37 2018. Does the Q60 become SBS ? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Mar 8 08:42:09 2018, in response to Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 7 21:00:37 2018. I'm opposed to the portion of the plan that requires Orion VIIs to move their rear route sign to the driver's side of the bus, as per the first rendering. :-)On a serious note, do the critics not get that the total rider street-crossing effort stays the same? You just cross half the boulevard each time, rather than the entire boulevard once. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 8 08:53:40 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Mar 8 08:42:09 2018. As a pedestrian, would it take 2 light cycles to make it all across Queens Blvd with this ? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 8 12:17:06 2018, in response to Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 7 21:00:37 2018. If DOT has been so successful in making Queens Boulevard safer, why are any more capital expenditures even necessary? DOT should not be allowed to do whatever it damn pleases regardless of what the citizens want. They are completely out of control and it is because of our mayor who is even more dictatorial than Bloomberg was.First they destroy Woodhaven Blvd and now they want to do the same to Queens Blvd. And as usual only tell you part of the story. If medians are widened, how many traffic lanes are being removed? And with buses in the center roadways having to stop for passengers, how many lanes are left for other traffic and what is the impact on traffic. Also notice the article states this plan as fact before any community input is even received and stating community approval is not necessary. Then they will have the nerve to make it appear like the process was democratic. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 8 12:39:09 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 8 12:17:06 2018. If you look at the diagrams, no traffic lanes are being removed. They are unclear about bus lanes and it appears there will unfortunately be bus lanes so one lane is being taken each way.I'm going to assume that you didn't notice because this information was presented in such a way as to obfuscate the negative impacts. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 8 13:31:46 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 8 12:39:09 2018. I saw the diagram, but the configuration of the street for where the cross section is shown differs from the configuration of the road in other places where the proposal is not shown. Also. it doesn't seem possible to provide all that extra mall space without removing traffic lanes, so once again, they only tell you part of the story. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 8 15:00:32 2018, in response to Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 7 21:00:37 2018. I just looked at the presentation. From the artists rendering, they will be removing a traffic lane from the center roadway, but nowhere in the presentation, do they actually state that. In 2001, Queens Blvd had 12 traffic lanes: six in the center and four in the service roads. Under the proposal, it will have a total of six traffic lanes, a fifty percent reduction. And look at all the development that has occurred on Queens Blvd since 2001. Then the city blames the drivers for the increased congestion? What's next congestion pricing for Queens Blvd? |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Mar 8 15:16:36 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 8 12:17:06 2018. A lot of people along Queens Blvd, including myself, support this. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Mar 8 15:17:03 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 8 15:00:32 2018. More lanes does not mean less traffic. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Mar 8 15:20:54 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 8 08:53:40 2018. I was thinking more distance than light cycles, although the two can increase together depending on the abilities of the particular pedestrian.What I was thinking was let's say you used to get the bus on the curb in front of your residence (or thereabouts) to go into Manhattan. In that case, you would not cross streets to get into Manhattan, but you would have to cross the entire boulevard to get home as the bus would leave you all the way on the far side. With median-running buses, it just means that you cross halfway going, and halfway back coming. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 8 15:53:36 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 8 12:39:09 2018. There won't be bus-only lanes except in a few small areas. But with buses stopping in a traffic lane at Bus stops, traffic will be negatively affected. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 8 18:19:45 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Mar 8 15:20:54 2018. Where would they run all those QM and X buses on Queens Blvd ? In the median with the Q60 ? |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Mar 8 18:47:02 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 8 18:19:45 2018. Since all the QM and X express buses make no stops on Queens Blvd, they can run with the regular traffic, as they do now |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 8 20:49:53 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Union Tpke on Thu Mar 8 15:17:03 2018. ?More lanes means more traffic. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 9 12:43:13 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Union Tpke on Thu Mar 8 15:17:03 2018. It certainly does if you know anything about traffic engineering. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 9 12:46:58 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 8 20:49:53 2018. He is saying that with fewer lanes, fewer cars will drive on Queens Blvd so congestion will not Increase. There are many fallacies to that theory. The cars will not just disappear. Either they will go to otter roads causing more congestion there, stay where they are increasing congestion on Queens Blvd, or they will all switch to the Q60 or the subway. Switching to mass transit will not happen unless everyone who uses Queens Blvd could just as easily take the bus or subway to get where they are going which is just not the case. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 9 19:42:51 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 9 12:46:58 2018. We got rid of the West Side Highway, and nobody misses it. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 9 23:30:54 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 9 19:42:51 2018. But the new surface boulevard there - 12th Ave. - carries the same number of lanes - and in some place more. Yes, I know there was a 12th Ave. under the old W. Side Hwy, but it was always congested with ocean liner-related and commercial traffic that it was not useful as a through route. Once the liners (mostly) left, there was no need for both a surface route and and elevated route. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 10 07:00:29 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 9 23:30:54 2018. Seattle, Oakland, and San Francisco have torn down freeways for the better. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Mar 10 08:23:22 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 10 07:00:29 2018. I can't wait to see Seattle without the Alaskan Way Viaduct. Did they eventually settle on not rebuilding it (as long as the replacement tunnel is in place). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 10 09:31:58 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 10 07:00:29 2018. Oakland replaced its torn down freeway with a superior structure, not losing a single lane, and Seattle is doing likewise. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 10 11:11:59 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 10 07:00:29 2018. I'm not arguing that point. Just a limited one about the West Sure Hwy. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Mar 10 11:51:25 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Union Tpke on Thu Mar 8 15:16:36 2018. But most who use Queens Blvd and don't live there will never be even know about it before construction begins. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Mar 10 14:20:39 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 9 12:46:58 2018. The Queen Blvd subway needs an additional track for bidirectional service. It doesn't even need to be connected to the line along the route,but at least service the area.This Dmu plan, could make use of the various rows that cross the border into Brooklyn and even the Bronx via the Hell Gate. Queens needs another trunk line,and a easy way to transfer between them. A proposed transfer station,one that would have been built for the LIRR and new line from the 63rd St tunnel could still be built, though repurposed. The Bypass bellmouth could be used to bring some trains to this new station in the Sunnyside yards..where riders can transfer to the new Dmu across Queens points east. This could also include a revitalized Rockaway branch. Yeah, I know...but it's better than sitting on one's hands and doing nothing. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 10 19:41:34 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Edwards! on Sat Mar 10 14:20:39 2018. Perhaps a RBB to the Rego Park station site, connecting with a new Main Line local station. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 11 00:11:09 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 10 19:41:34 2018. Yup. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Mar 11 16:23:42 2018, in response to Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 7 21:00:37 2018. This is DOT's most insane plan yet, worse than what the did and plan to do to Woodhaven Blvd.On Saturday afternoon, hardly the peak hour, I drove from Queens Center to the BQE along the center roadway. This time I actually saw a bike in the bike lane. He was right in front of me as I entered the main road. We kept passing each other and he reached the BQE ten seconds before me. He even stopped and waited at every red light. Now if bikes average 9.5 mph, that was also my average speed. So what will it be with the loss of another lane of traffic? Keep in mind the average speed on the service road is already much less like between 3 and 6 mph, and the Q60 speed in this portion is slower than the car. So the Q60 would travel faster in the main road. But if one lane on the service road was not removed in 2001, it wouldn't be as slow as it is now in the first place. The average speed for cars after this plan goes through will be like 6 mph on the main road and 2 mph on the service road. Bus passengers will be inconvenienced by having to walk further to and from the bus stops. This plan must be stopped and I hope someone is willing to sue to stop it since DOT already stated community opinion does not matter. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 11 16:57:50 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Mar 11 16:23:42 2018. As you know, Community Board input is strictly advisory.AFAIK, no lane is being removed. Rather, Buses will use one lane on the main roadway. Cars can continue to use that lane, but I do agree that the presence of buses will block cars. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Mar 11 20:43:25 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 11 16:57:50 2018. Look at the diagram with the mall. There is no way the mall could be that wide without removal of a traffic lane. When a traffic lane was removed from Woodhaven Boulevard last year, nowhere in ANY of the presentations was it spelled out that a traffic lane was being removed. They just stated it in positive terms saying "a bus lane will be created". Nowhere did they ever state how that will happen. They also stated that three traffic lanes in each direction would be maintained, neglecting to ever mention that the three lanes would not be adjacent to each other but separated by an island limiting when you could switch lanes to bypass traffic. The only way to tell was by looking at the maps.So why would they now ever say that they will be taking away a lane. Some have stated that the bus will have its own lane in places. (I haven't seen that in writing.) If it is true then there will only be two lanes left for cars in each direction, one on the main road and one on the service road. Can you imagine the traffic if that happens? Nothing will move at all. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 11 22:36:56 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Mar 11 20:43:25 2018. That is their plan. They want everyone to be a bike-riding hipster. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 12 11:11:00 2018, in response to Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 7 21:00:37 2018. This is DOT's most insane plan yet, worse than what the did and plan to do to Woodhaven Blvd.On Saturday afternoon, hardly the peak hour, I drove from Queens Center to the BQE along the center roadway. This time I actually saw a bike in the bike lane. He was right in front of me as I entered the main road. We kept passing each other and he reached the BQE ten seconds before me. He even stopped and waited at every red light. Now if bikes average 9.5 mph, that was also my average speed. So what will it be with the loss of another lane of traffic? Keep in mind the average speed on the service road is already much less like between 3 and 6 mph, and the Q60 speed in this portion is slower than the car. So the Q60 would travel faster in the main road. But if one lane on the service road was not removed in 2001, it wouldn't be as slow as it is now in the first place. The average speed for cars after this plan goes through will be like 6 mph on the main road and 2 mph on the service road. Bus passengers will be inconvenienced by having to walk further to and from the bus stops. This plan must be stopped and I hope someone is willing to sue to stop it since DOT already stated community opinion does not matter. |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Mar 12 18:29:33 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 8 12:17:06 2018. DOT should not be allowed to do whatever it damn pleases regardless of what the citizens wantWhat city do you think you live in? All decisions are made to the glory of Comrade Wilhelm and his most excellent zero vision... Seriously, you have every chance of get rid of that idiot last year and you blew it. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 12 19:58:00 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by The Silence on Mon Mar 12 18:29:33 2018. What does this have to do with the current mayor? All city agencies operate like this - consulting with Community Boards, but ultimately doing what they want - and have ALWAYS done so. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 12 20:25:50 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 12 19:58:00 2018. Yep. For example, under Bloomberg, the use of Broadway in Manhattan between 59th Street and 14th Street as a perfectly usable and helpful bus route just disappeared. It wasn't NYCT's fault - NYC DOT just made Broadway unusable as a through route by blocking it off in so many spots. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 12 23:39:32 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 12 20:25:50 2018. Yeah, but that plan I liked. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 13:38:18 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 12 20:25:50 2018. At least there's a subway under it! |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 13 15:09:08 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 13:38:18 2018. A hidden purpose of Woodhaven Blvd SBS was to kill any notions of RBB.Notice the NIMBY chatter about Queensway Park has subsided. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 15:45:17 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 13 15:09:08 2018. Interesting. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 15:46:30 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 12 20:25:50 2018. Broadway was also very useful to drivers going downtown. Its diagonality obviated the need to zig-zag from west to east. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 17:34:20 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by The Silence on Mon Mar 12 18:29:33 2018. Yes, the city blew it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 17:44:54 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 12 19:58:00 2018. No this mayor has been different. He gave DOT carte blanche to ignore communities if it involved Vision Zero. No previous mayor has done this.He was even hypocritical regarding bike lanes. When someone disagreed with a proposed bike lane, his response was we only institute bike lanes where the community has requested it. Then when the Queens Blvd bike lane and Northern Blvd bike lanes were voted down, he said they were still going in. So what about his previous statement that they were only put in at a community's request? DOT under previous mayors and in his first term was never this dictatorial. With the Woodhaven Blvd SBS, they pretended to have community input sessions to give the appearance that there was community input although they already decided what they were going to do. They made a few modifications though when there was widespread protest. This time they are not even pretending to ask for community input. They are saying this is what we decided and it will be done in 2019. We will be coming out to the community to explain what will be done. In other words, we don't even want to hear what you think of it. Now that de Blasio is a lame duck, he doesn't even have to pretend to be democratic. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 00:48:37 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 17:44:54 2018. DeBlasio is an avowed communist. Democracy and communism don’t tend to go together. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 15:12:21 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 00:48:37 2018. Please show me the quote where he avowed Communism. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 15 15:14:59 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 00:48:37 2018. He seems to be a total capitalist when it comes to affordable housing and the homeless. Their population exceeds Bloomberg's.https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/nyc-homeless-population-grew-4-year-data-show |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 15:32:04 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 15 15:14:59 2018. Actually, he has an extensive program to add affordable housing. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 15 20:19:07 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 15:32:04 2018. The best way to add affordable housing is add a fuckton of housing. Build 'em tall and close to the subway. As long as there are non-historic buildings shorter than 4 stories within 1/4 mile of a subway station, we're not trying hard enough. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Mar 16 07:57:09 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 15 15:14:59 2018. Lol |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 16 12:37:07 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 15:12:21 2018. What’s been hardest is the way our legal system is structured to favor private property. I think people all over this city, of every background, would like to have the city government be able to determine which building goes where, how high it will be, who gets to live in it, what the rent will be. I think there’s a socialistic impulse, which I hear every day, in every kind of community, that they would like things to be planned in accordance to their needs. And I would, too. Unfortunately, what stands in the way of that is hundreds of years of history that have elevated property rights and wealth to the point that that’s the reality that calls the tune on a lot of development. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/09/bill-de-blasio-in-conversation.html |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 16 12:42:21 2018, in response to Re: Q60 Queens Blvd, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 15 15:14:59 2018. It's where it comes to housing that he is an avowed communist, but he doesn't seem to practice it, so that's not so bad. |
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