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Posted by fdtutf on Thu Jul 28 18:52:50 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 18:01:29 2016. Cars were using the right two lanes to make a right turn preventing through traffic from getting through the first signal since they were blocking both lanes causing delays.So it's Vision Zero's fault that these morons don't know how to drive? |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Thu Jul 28 19:23:24 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by fdtutf on Thu Jul 28 18:52:50 2016. Of course it is Vision Zero's fault. There were never any bad drivers before Vision Zero. Otherwise his battle cry would be BS. :-) |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 28 20:39:36 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 18:47:17 2016. Yes, this is yet another case of him not being able to read. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 20:50:50 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 18:47:45 2016. IAWTP |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 20:57:34 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 18:01:29 2016. Wrong! Danger doesn't necessarily depend on volume!! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 20:58:57 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 28 18:35:36 2016. Agreed. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 21:00:50 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 18:16:38 2016. How in the world does that mean that "the MTA states they were not surveyed"????? Why do you lie??? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 21:01:39 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 18:16:38 2016. How in the world does that mean that "the MTA states they were not surveyed"????? Why do you change what the MTA writes and then criticize them??? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 22:33:42 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 28 18:35:36 2016. Local riders were surveyed after the production of the Progress Report? That is what you are now claiming? Where is your proof? What would be the purpose of surveying them after you produce the report? ABSOLUTELY NONE.Saying local riders were surveyed PRIOR TO IMPLEMENTATION OF SBS, and saying nothing further MEANS THEY WERE NOT SURVEYED OR THE MTA CHOSE NOT TO RELEASE THE RESULTS. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO POSSIBILITIES. So I am telling the truth while you are just making up things like saying they surveyed local riders after they produced the report, SOMETHING YOU HAVE ZERO PROOF OF. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 22:39:42 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 21:00:50 2016. I did not lie. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 22:41:52 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 21:01:39 2016. The MTA stated B44 local riders were surveyed before SBS implementation. There is no mention of any other survey of local bus riders. THAT MEANS EITHER THEY WERE NOT SURVEYED OR IF THEY WERE, THE RESULTS WERE NOT RELEASED.So why would you not release the results? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 23:12:10 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 22:39:42 2016. Yes you did. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 23:13:23 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 22:41:52 2016. Don't change the subject. Address what I asked. Address the exact words you wrote.You lied. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 29 01:14:28 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 22:33:42 2016. The MTA is constantly surveying riders of ALL routes. Therefore, regardless of what route you are looking at and regardless of what change you are looking at, the MTA has surveyed before AND after the change.B44 Local After SBS is not relevant to this study, so of course it wouldn't be included. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 29 01:15:09 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 22:41:52 2016. BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC AT HAND. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 29 05:59:38 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 18:01:29 2016. Well if it is only four vehicles an hour, it couldn't have been much of a problem.The problem addressed by the island is the eastbound left (334 vehicles in the p.m. peak hour). Those vehicles were cutting across the barely used southbound left turn lane and hitting pedestrians or other vehicles. Before that dumb divider, it was possible to go around them and not have to miss a traffic signal. And have a huge risk of having a head on collision in the intersection because you would end up on the wrong side of the road once you get through that traffic signal. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Jul 29 07:26:19 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 29 05:59:38 2016. Owned. BrooklynBus clearly had no idea how to drive. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jul 29 08:56:15 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 14:25:45 2016. Only one company? A pretty big one at that. It is pretty significant if the company makes a point of having its entire fleet of vehicles make as few left turns as possible. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 11:21:01 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 29 01:14:28 2016. Of course B44 local after SBS survey is relevant when riders are complaining of four SBS buses arriving before a single local. Of course it is relevant when New York Avenue service was cut by 50 percent. Of course it is relevant when local riders complained of regular 40 minute waits. Waits that were so bad, SBS service had to be reduced and replaced by additional local service.I would bet you that local passengers were surveyed but the satisfaction results showed such a high level of dissatisfaction with service, that the MTA chose not to publish it. That is the very definition of cherry picking your data. And where do you get the idea that the MTA is constantly surveying riders of ALL routes. You do not even know the difference between a survey and a traffic count. Counting passengers getting on and off is NOT a survey. IT IS A TRAFFIC COUNT. The two are totally different types of measurements. A SURVEY ASKS QUESTIONS. But since you have no training in planning, I won't fault you for your ignorance. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 11:21:58 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 29 01:15:09 2016. Untrue. See my other comment. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 11:39:11 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 29 05:59:38 2016. You stated that vehicles were cutting across the southbound left turn lane hitting pedestrians.The report states that the number of pedestrian injuries remain the same and does not discuss increased congestion on southbound Ocean Avenue north of Parkside or increased congestion on Flatbush by routing cars from the faster Ocean Avenue to the slower Flatbush. But congestion isn't one of DOT's concerns. It is their objective, only they renamed it "traffic calming". |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 11:41:30 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jul 29 08:56:15 2016. So why doesn't FedEx, DHL, USPS and the others also do it? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 12:01:55 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by fdtutf on Thu Jul 28 18:52:50 2016. It's not a question of not knowing how to drive. There is only a single lane except for a right turn queue lane that outside of rush hours only holds about three cars. So if six cars need to make a right turn as was the case, there was spill back from the right turn lane into the general traffic lane which was green. By the time all six cars were able to turn right, the signal had changed to red.Now if there is a problem at 12:30 AM, I can imagine what happens at 3 PM. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 29 12:09:41 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 11:21:01 2016. "Of course B44 local after SBS survey is relevant when riders are complaining of four SBS buses arriving before a single local. Of course it is relevant when New York Avenue service was cut by 50 percent. Of course it is relevant when local riders complained of regular 40 minute waits. Waits that were so bad, SBS service had to be reduced and replaced by additional local service."But they aren't looking at the B44 Local. They are looking at the B44 Select bus service. Convince them to commission a study on B44 local service if you want to evaluate B44 Local service. "I would bet you that local passengers were surveyed but the satisfaction results showed such a high level of dissatisfaction with service, that the MTA chose not to publish it. That is the very definition of cherry picking your data. " Regardless of what it shows, not releasing it is not cherrypicking, AS IT IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC AT HAND. "And where do you get the idea that the MTA is constantly surveying riders of ALL routes." By being surveyed myself, multiple times. "You do not even know the difference between a survey and a traffic count." Ridiculous assertion. Absolutely false. "Counting passengers getting on and off is NOT a survey. IT IS A TRAFFIC COUNT." I am fully aware of such. "The two are totally different types of measurements." Correct. That is why I am referring to surveys, I talk about surveys and when I am referring to ridership statistics, I talk about ridership statistics. "A SURVEY ASKS QUESTIONS." Yes. But nobody has disagreed with this. "But since you have no training in planning, I won't fault you for your ignorance." As someone who can do basic arithmetic, has at least basic literacy, and can understand simple concepts such as how to run a study and what a variable is, I have substantially more effective training in planning than you do. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 29 12:14:00 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 11:41:30 2016. FedEx does too. Can't speak for the other two. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 29 12:16:33 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 11:39:11 2016. The report states that the number of pedestrian injuries remain the same and does not discuss increased congestion on southbound Ocean Avenue north of Parkside or increased congestion on Flatbush by routing cars from the faster Ocean Avenue to the slower Flatbush.The number of pedestrian injuries remained the same after the 2012 improvements, which closed the vehicular park entrance. What increased congestion are you talking about? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 29 12:28:16 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 12:01:55 2016. There is only a single lane except for a right turn queue lane that outside of rush hours only holds about three cars. So if six cars need to make a right turn as was the case, there was spill back from the right turn lane into the general traffic lane which was green. By the time all six cars were able to turn right, the signal had changed to red. Now if there is a problem at 12:30 AM, I can imagine what happens at 3 PM.There is No Standing from 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. that provides space for about 10 cars to stack in the right turn lane at 3:00 p.m. Farther up Parkside, there's No Standing from 4:00 to 7:00 p.m. that allows cars to stack all the way back to Flatbush during the p.m. peak. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 13:26:28 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 29 12:28:16 2016. So let's not talk about 3 PM. Let's say 8 PM. I think you would agree there is more traffic at 8 PM than at 1 in the morning. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 13:31:58 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 29 12:09:41 2016. For someone who doesn't believe relying on anecdotes, you conclude that riders are surveyed all the time on ALL routes because you were given a few surveys in your lifetime.I have also seen passengers being headed survey questionnaires. One passenger asked the surveyor for additional cards for his friends who were not on the bus and the surveyor gladly complied, thus invalidating the counts. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 13:32:29 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 29 12:14:00 2016. Never heard about FedEx |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 13:35:48 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 29 12:16:33 2016. Increased congestion meaning cars having to miss a traffic signals because of cars needing to make a right turn blocking the only moving traffic lane.So I guess there is no longer an entrance to the parking area because we know that parks are only to be enjoyed by pedestrians and cyclists although the original planners also allowed leisurely carriage strolls. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 29 13:43:39 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 13:26:28 2016. So let's not talk about 3 PM. Let's say 8 PM. I think you would agree there is more traffic at 8 PM than at 1 in the morning.Yes, but not as much as at 5:30. Based on available counts and assuming the right turn is about half the southbound volume, I'd say there may be a compelling case to make it No Standing until 9:00 p.m. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 29 14:12:29 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 13:31:58 2016. "For someone who doesn't believe relying on anecdotes, you conclude that riders are surveyed all the time on ALL routes because you were given a few surveys in your lifetime."LOL. You think I am the only person being surveyed? (The survey I received was for ALL routes, so yes, I can say that ALL routes are being surveyed. ) "I have also seen passengers being headed survey questionnaires. One passenger asked the surveyor for additional cards for his friends who were not on the bus and the surveyor gladly complied, thus invalidating the counts. " Such does not effect electronic surveys. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 18:58:29 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 29 14:12:29 2016. So you were surveyed on all 300 local bus routes? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 19:01:50 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 29 13:43:39 2016. But there still was a problem after midnight. And when I was there it seemed more cars were making a right than going straight. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Jul 29 19:57:07 2016, in response to Re: What happened to the B44 thread?, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 13:32:29 2016. Go figure. There are a lot of other things you haven't heard about too. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Jul 29 19:59:46 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 18:58:29 2016. Wow, how freaking clueless are you able how the MTA conducts surveys?!?!?!?!?!? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:54:31 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Jul 29 19:59:46 2016. I know there is no regular taking of surveys. They are done only in specific instances when a specific change is contemplated for a route. So a route may not be surveyed for ten years or more if no service changes are contemplated. And I am talking about surveys not traffic counts which are done on the average of every three years per route, more frequently if there are unusual problems. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 29 22:01:01 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:54:31 2016. You know incorrectly. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 30 10:58:43 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 29 22:01:01 2016. And I suppose you know more? Okay so tell me what the schedule is. How often are routes surveyed and how often are traffic counts made? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jul 30 21:09:52 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 30 10:58:43 2016. Yes, he knows more. So do I. So do others here. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jul 30 21:17:28 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:54:31 2016. I know there is no regular taking of surveys.Wrong. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 1 17:05:37 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jul 30 21:17:28 2016. What is your source? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Aug 1 18:58:27 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 1 17:05:37 2016. The existence of the MTA's Online Customer Survey Initiative, which you do not seem to be familiar with. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 1 20:59:31 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Aug 1 18:58:27 2016. I wasn't talking about opinion surveys. I was talking about ridership surveys of travel patterns. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Aug 1 21:07:58 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 1 20:59:31 2016. How do you know that what I posted is purely opinion and does not include ridership surveys of travel patterns? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 2 09:15:15 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Aug 1 18:58:27 2016. Because any surveys on the website are for opinions like about future SBS routes. Show me when and where they do regular passenger trip surveys. They are only done when and if a specific change is contemplated. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Aug 2 10:26:14 2016, in response to Re: Reply to R30A B44 comments, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 2 09:15:15 2016. Hmm, I may have been incorrect about the use of that website I mentioned. Looking closer at some of the info I have about it, it may indeed be more like what you describe than I thought. My apologies. |
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