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Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 16:44:28 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 16:39:29 2016. Brighton anything to B/N to R. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 16:45:06 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 16:39:29 2016. Or for that matter, Walk to F, F to R. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 16:52:17 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 16:34:11 2016. "The numbers certainly don't show that the problem is the SBS conversion."What happened to isolating variables you were so big on? 2013 no SBS until November. 2014 SBS the entire year. Ridership dips on the B44 SBS more than twice the borough average for local bus routes, and now you say the problem is not SBS? (As for the B41, there are other factors at play there namely stiff competition from dollar vans.) So when ridership goes up the first year after an SBS route it is due to SBS, but when it goes down the first year it is not due to SBS. You change your position more frequently than Hillary Clinton. "Who says they are all walking from New York to Rogers?" You did. We were talking about those accessing Kings County and Downstate. Sure a few have shorter walks but many more need to go to those hospitals than who are taking the bus to a bodega on Rogers Avenue. Obviously auto correct changed the word to "ripoff" What I meant to say was that many who previously relied on the faster limited now have slower trips on the local. Yes, calling the other party crazy is a standard technique to discredit when you can't answer the point at hand. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 16:58:58 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 15:55:47 2016. My claim that it hurts more than it helps is only absurd in your mind because you are so gullible by believing everything DOT tells you. If the plan actually helps more than it hurts, why hasn't DOT and the MTA shared the results of their models? Answer that?According to you merely saying a plan is better than the status quo as DOT has done is sufficient. Maybe it is for you but it isn't for me. I want to see proof. AND THAT IS THEIR JOB. And you are alleging they are not keeping the model results secret? Are you? Then provide a link to it? YOU CAN'T BECAUSE NONE EXISTS. I showed you how they are going from 12 to 8 lanes already. Up to a mile extra to make a left turn is very significant as is a quarter mile being stuck in traffic for ten minutes. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 17:05:09 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 16:52:17 2016. "What happened to isolating variables you were so big on? 2013 no SBS until November. 2014 SBS the entire year. Ridership dips on the B44 SBS more than twice the borough average for local bus routes, and now you say the problem is not SBS?"And ridership dips on many parallel routes moreso than the B44. Hmm... might indicate issues that are disconnected from SBS. "So when ridership goes up the first year after an SBS route it is due to SBS, but when it goes down the first year it is not due to SBS." Not necessarily. However there is a clear potential reason for why it might not be in the B44's case. "You change your position more frequently than Hillary Clinton." Are you a Trumpie? ""Who says they are all walking from New York to Rogers?" You did. We were talking about those accessing Kings County and Downstate. Sure a few have shorter walks but many more need to go to those hospitals than who are taking the bus to a bodega on Rogers Avenue." We Were? I was talking about riders in general. Yes, those at those two locations will have to walk two blocks west to catch the limited. In case you didn't know, not every B44 rider comes from/goes to those hospitals. "Obviously auto correct changed the word to "ripoff" What I meant to say was that many who previously relied on the faster limited now have slower trips on the local." OK. Many who previously relied on the limited now have the faster select bus. You have not managed to show why your many is bigger than mine. "Yes, calling the other party crazy is a standard technique to discredit when you can't answer the point at hand." You are the one who structured a sentence in such a way that it implied I was one of your personalities. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 17:09:01 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 16:36:59 2016. Show me where I said I spoke to her behind closed doors. YOU ARE A PLAIN LIAR because I never said that. I said I spoke to her privately. Privately means, there were no witnesses. IT DOES NOT MEAN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.Now I see how you constantly misinterpret things because you fail to understand simple English. So the Woodhaven residents are not raving lunatics only those who support Queens Rail are because you don't happen to agree with it. Now I see. "Nobody is saying they should be." That is exactly what you said by combining Woodhaven, Cross Bay and both bridges by stating lanes will be eliminated only in a few places when virtually the entire Woodhaven Boulevard will have fewer lanes. They clearly explained both options for Cross Bay and even indicated they would let the communities pick the one they preferred as long as a bus lane were included. No you are making the point about traffic volumes so you do the searching to prove your point. Great not only do I have to cone up with data to prove every single point I try to make, now you are saying it is also my responsibility to disprove you. WOW YOU DONT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BUT MAKE WILD STATEMENTS AND INSULTS. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 17:09:25 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 16:58:58 2016. "My claim that it hurts more than it helps is only absurd in your mind because you are so gullible by believing everything DOT tells you. If the plan actually helps more than it hurts, why hasn't DOT and the MTA shared the results of their models? Answer that?"Just because you claim they have not does not mean they have not. "According to you merely saying a plan is better than the status quo as DOT has done is sufficient. Maybe it is for you but it isn't for me. I want to see proof. AND THAT IS THEIR JOB." A. No it is not their job. B. Yes, saying so is sufficient. If their modeling tells them such is insufficient, they will not propose such a plan. "And you are alleging they are not keeping the model results secret? Are you? Then provide a link to it? YOU CAN'T BECAUSE NONE EXISTS." Not releasing data is not the same thing as covering up data. Most modelling data is never released. That is reality, regardless of the project. "I showed you how they are going from 12 to 8 lanes already." No, you have not. "Up to a mile extra to make a left turn is very significant" Yes, but nobody has to do that. "as is a quarter mile being stuck in traffic for ten minutes." You claiming that people would be stuck in traffic for ten minutes is not evidence that people would actually be stuck in traffic for ten minutes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 17:15:05 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 16:38:35 2016. And quit making up statements I never said to prove your ridiculous points.I never said traffic is bad during the off-peak. I clearly stated MULTIPLE TIMES that there is no traffic problem currently during the off-peak. YOU JUST HAVEN'T BEEN LISTENING. I am saying moderate traffic will become SLOWER HEAVY TRAFFIC with the reduction of a traffic lane, WITH NO BENEFIT TO BUS RIDERS. Try listening for a change instead of spouting your repetitive nonsense from the voices in your head and changing what others are saying because you are not capable of debating on a level playing field. That's why you resort to name calling and insults to distract from the issues at hand. Yes, I am learning not to waste time searching for data you have no intention of reading anyway, because you don't want to be confused by facts. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 17:18:03 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 17:09:01 2016. "Show me where I said I spoke to her behind closed doors. YOU ARE A PLAIN LIAR because I never said that. I said I spoke to her privately. Privately means, there were no witnesses. IT DOES NOT MEAN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. "Behind closed doors means no witnesses. So yes, you said such, although perhaps you did not mean to. "Now I see how you constantly misinterpret things because you fail to understand simple English." LOL. Ironic post of the millennium "So the Woodhaven residents are not raving lunatics only those who support Queens Rail are because you don't happen to agree with it. Now I see." No. Their absurd statements much like yours are what make them appear to be raving lunatics. "That is exactly what you said by combining Woodhaven, Cross Bay and both bridges by stating lanes will be eliminated only in a few places when virtually the entire Woodhaven Boulevard will have fewer lanes." No. I am not saying they should be considered the same thing. I am saying EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN "nearly all" OF THE PROJECT AREA WILL NOT HAVE A BUS LANE BEING TAKEN FROM TRAFFIC LANE. "No you are making the point about traffic volumes so you do the searching to prove your point. Great not only do I have to cone up with data to prove every single point I try to make, now you are saying it is also my responsibility to disprove you." Look for it yourself. It is out there and can be easily found. I enjoy making you work. If anybody else wants the data, I'd happily send the link to them in email. "WOW YOU DONT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BUT MAKE WILD STATEMENTS AND INSULTS." Ok. I take back my prior statement. THIS is the ironic statement of the millennium. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 17:20:49 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 17:15:05 2016. "And quit making up statements I never said to prove your ridiculous points."LOL. Another ironic statement for the ages. A: "I never said traffic is bad during the off-peak. I clearly stated MULTIPLE TIMES that there is no traffic problem currently during the off-peak. YOU JUST HAVEN'T BEEN LISTENING." B: "I am saying moderate traffic will become SLOWER HEAVY TRAFFIC with the reduction of a traffic lane, WITH NO BENEFIT TO BUS RIDERS." These statements directly contradict each other in reality. Which one is true? Either there IS the traffic, or there isn't. "Try listening for a change instead of spouting your repetitive nonsense from the voices in your head and changing what others are saying because you are not capable of debating on a level playing field. That's why you resort to name calling and insults to distract from the issues at hand." LOL. Self projection. "Yes, I am learning not to waste time searching for data you have no intention of reading anyway, because you don't want to be confused by facts." Send me data from a legitimate source, I will happily read it! You just aren't a legitimate source. |
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Posted by HART BUS on Tue Mar 15 18:19:13 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 17:15:05 2016. Why don't you and the others in the thread change the title or move it to the OT section. Very hard on the eyes scrolling through the same title over and over again. Its getting ludicrous that two or three people are monopolizing this board. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 18:21:41 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 10:58:34 2016. How come its often the case that you're wrong? This is a great example. Why can't you learn from this? If you think you're right about this Woodhaven stuff and all of us who are saying you're wrong are wrong, then how come we were right about this and you were so wrong? You don't even know what a highway is! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 18:25:05 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 16:05:33 2016. You're able to count???? LOL!!! You couldn't count the number of cars making a left turn during a single cycle!!!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 18:30:20 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 17:09:01 2016. You don't even know how to get NYSDOT traffic counts??? And you claim to have been the head of bus planning???? Sure, the delivery system changed but you should still have at least a clue! Wow. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 18:32:52 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 14:33:19 2016. Wrong. Peak hour counts matter, not 24 hour totals. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 19:36:50 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 11:32:46 2016. Yes you did. At 15:40. And you just said it again now. You said it's ok to use peak hour data.24 hour totals are not needed at all for capacity. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 20:01:12 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by HART BUS on Tue Mar 15 18:19:13 2016. Huh? I don't see what the problem is. Besides, this is a great thread. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 20:04:53 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 16:58:58 2016. Lies. All lies. You need help. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Mar 16 09:30:33 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by HART BUS on Tue Mar 15 18:19:13 2016. Why would we move it to OTChat? It's not off-topic; we're discussing bus service changes, so this is entirely on-topic for BusChat. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:01:51 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 16:41:35 2016. Go ahead and keep changing your story. I can't keep up with you any more. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:03:07 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 16:43:48 2016. Not going to converse with someone who keeps changing his story. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:04:31 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 16:45:06 2016. Still involves a long roundabout circuitous local trip. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:14:59 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 17:05:09 2016. And ridership dips on many parallel routes moreso than the B44. Hmm... might indicate issues that are disconnected from SBS.Just what I stated. The B41 has other issues, namely competition from dollar vans so you can't consider its decline. Stil doesn't discount the B44 decrease which was twice the B46 decrease. So what would cause the B44 decline if not SBS? I am not turning this into a political discussion so I won't comment. It is not my job to show my number is bigger than yours. It is the MTA's responsibility to show this change was a net benefit. So far we have nothing. I have no idea what you are talking about relating to personalities. You were the first one to talk about mental issues. No I never stated they are all walking from New York to Rogers. That was your allegation. My point was that the extra walk was enough of an incentive to just take a direct local rather than an indirect SBS to Rogers when their destination was Kings County or Downstate. I was showing how they were hurt by service for them being reduced by 50 perecent. I never alluded that that was the only destination. I said it was a major destination which it is. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:24:44 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 17:09:25 2016. So you are now claiming they have released the results of their models? Okay then provide a link. If you can't then you are just bullshitting.Boy you are really naive. You believe they would not propose a plan their model would not support. The reason they aren't releasing the results of the model is that it doesn't show what they want it to show or is not statistically reliable. Their model did not work ten years ago for this type of planning. They admitted that. So unless we hear something new, there is no reason to believe it can be currently used for this type of micro planning. Untrue, the results of modeling data is released. The parameters of the model and assumptions are available for further inspection. I showed you how trucks would have to go to Furmanville to make a left turn into Metropolitan. Try using 73rd Avenue and Trotting Course on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon when the shopping center is full and then tell me how long it took you to bake your detour. Now imagine how much longer it would take with hundreds of more cars doing that every hour. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:28:05 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:01:51 2016. I have never changed anything. You can't keep up with someone standing still. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:29:02 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:04:31 2016. Not particularly long or roundabout.Regardless of how you go it is going to be local. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:36:23 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 17:18:03 2016. Quit changing what I said. I NEVER USED THE WORDS "BEHIND CLOSED DOORS". Those were your words. And behind closed doors does not necessarily mean no witnesses, BUT PRIVATELY ALWAYS MEANS NO WITNESSES.I meant exactly what I said. You just inferred something that wasn't true and CANNOT EVEN ADMIT WHEN YOU MADE A MISTAKE. And yes, you can't understand simple English so you have to put words in other people's mouths to make erroneous points. Well than I suppose we can add Assemblyman Goldfeder to your list of raving lunatics because he doesn't think Queens Rail is a ridiculous idea. Maybe the raving lunatic really is Lincoln McMahon who cannot understand simple English sentences. I never stated that nearly all of the project area will have a bus lane, so your comment is irrelevent. A good portion of the project area, particularly Woodhaven Boulevard will have a lane removed which you tried to minimize in your response to Spider Pig, because your intention just like DOT is to mislead. What a cop out. You have the link but just don't want to provide it. Well now I guess I can bluff in the same way you are bluffing by claiming to have all the data you request. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:39:50 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:14:59 2016. ""And ridership dips on many parallel routes moreso than the B44. Hmm... might indicate issues that are disconnected from SBS."Just what I stated. The B41 has other issues, namely competition from dollar vans so you can't consider its decline. Stil doesn't discount the B44 decrease which was twice the B46 decrease." If the B41 has competition from dollar vans, the B44 does as well, as they have substantial market overlap. The B41 is MUCH closer to the B44 than the B46 for much of its run, as is the B49, which also shows a substantially greater loss in ridership. "So what would cause the B44 decline if not SBS?" Whatever is causing the other lines to drop too. I doubt that is SBS, as the B44 is the only SBS route in the area, so far. "I am not turning this into a political discussion so I won't comment." LOL. You were the one who tried to. "It is not my job to show my number is bigger than yours. It is the MTA's responsibility to show this change was a net benefit. So far we have nothing." Actually it is nobodies job. The MTA has no responsibility to show such. "I have no idea what you are talking about relating to personalities. You were the first one to talk about mental issues." You phrased a response in such a way that you were considering me as a subset of yourself. "No I never stated they are all walking from New York to Rogers. That was your allegation." I never said that. "My point was that the extra walk was enough of an incentive to just take a direct local rather than an indirect SBS to Rogers when their destination was Kings County or Downstate." For some. Not all. "I was showing how they were hurt by service for them being reduced by 50 perecent." Some were. Some likely weren't. "I never alluded that that was the only destination. I said it was a major destination which it is." Nobody is disagreeing with that. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:40:59 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 17:20:49 2016. "I am saying moderate traffic will become SLOWER HEAVY TRAFFIC with the reduction of a traffic lane, WITH NO BENEFIT TO BUS RIDERS."These statements directly contradict each other in reality. Which one is true? Either there IS the traffic, or there isn't. There is absolutely no contradictions in that statement. It says exactly what it means. Now it is plainly obvious that you cannot comprehend the English language. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:43:02 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 18:21:41 2016. The legal definition of a highway is obviously different to how the word is used in everyday language. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:44:25 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 18:32:52 2016. Peak hour counts matter for a peak hour proposal. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:45:26 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:24:44 2016. "So you are now claiming they have released the results of their models? Okay then provide a link. If you can't then you are just bullshitting."http://www.nyc.gov/html/brt/downloads/pdf/brt-woodhaven-faq.pdf "Boy you are really naive. You believe they would not propose a plan their model would not support. The reason they aren't releasing the results of the model is that it doesn't show what they want it to show or is not statistically reliable. Their model did not work ten years ago for this type of planning. They admitted that. So unless we hear something new, there is no reason to believe it can be currently used for this type of micro planning. " LOL your conspiracy nonsense continues. Hows your tin foil hat holding up? "Untrue, the results of modeling data is released. The parameters of the model and assumptions are available for further inspection." Where has the raw modelling data been released anywhere? "I showed you how trucks would have to go to Furmanville to make a left turn into Metropolitan." No. You have not done so. We have no information on what the designated truck routes will be so you could not have done so. "Try using 73rd Avenue and Trotting Course on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon when the shopping center is full and then tell me how long it took you to bake your detour." I went out there and looked two weeks ago. No traffic at all. "Now imagine how much longer it would take with hundreds of more cars doing that every hour." Not much. Hundreds of cars every hour is not a lot to deal with at all. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:46:32 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 19:36:50 2016. Capacity is not the only issue. Traffic speeds is just as much an issue and to determine if traffic speeds for general traffic will go down in the off peak, you need off peak data. It really is not that difficult of a concept to understand. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:47:06 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 20:04:53 2016. None of it is lies. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:49:48 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:28:05 2016. You said traffic would move faster for everyone as a result of the proposal because the green cycle would be longer and capacity would increase. Then you denied saying traffic would move faster under the proposal. That is only one of your contradictions. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:49:49 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:36:23 2016. "Quit changing what I said. I NEVER USED THE WORDS "BEHIND CLOSED DOORS". Those were your words. And behind closed doors does not necessarily mean no witnesses, BUT PRIVATELY ALWAYS MEANS NO WITNESSES.I meant exactly what I said. You just inferred something that wasn't true and CANNOT EVEN ADMIT WHEN YOU MADE A MISTAKE. And yes, you can't understand simple English so you have to put words in other people's mouths to make erroneous points." You said in private. In private means the same thing as behind closed doors. You said what you said. It is not my fault you don't know the meaning of common english phrases. "Well than I suppose we can add Assemblyman Goldfeder to your list of raving lunatics because he doesn't think Queens Rail is a ridiculous idea." Goldfeder has certainly not impressed me as being particularly on top of his game. "Maybe the raving lunatic really is Lincoln McMahon who cannot understand simple English sentences." LOL. "I never stated that nearly all of the project area will have a bus lane, so your comment is irrelevent. A good portion of the project area, particularly Woodhaven Boulevard will have a lane removed which you tried to minimize in your response to Spider Pig, because your intention just like DOT is to mislead." Nearly all of the project area would have to have a bus lane for my statement to have been misleading. "What a cop out. You have the link but just don't want to provide it. Well now I guess I can bluff in the same way you are bluffing by claiming to have all the data you request." Except you don't have any data. And the data I have is REALLY REALLY easy to find. So why don't you just look for it? |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:50:34 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:43:02 2016. And the legal definition of highway is obviously the definition being used in the context. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:50:56 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:44:25 2016. Certainly!Nobody said they didn't. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:51:13 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:29:02 2016. A transfer at Smith 9th is definitely not a direct route from Brighton Beach to Bay Ridge. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:51:59 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:51:13 2016. Nobody said it was. But you could go through Coney Island instead which is substantially more direct. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 12:07:01 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:39:50 2016. You are wrong again. The competition to the B41 from dollar vans occurs primarily in two specific areas, Downtown Brooklyn, and Kings Plaza, two major traffic generators. The B44 serves neither. It has competition from dollar vans near Kings County Hospital and cutting service by half on New York Avenue resulting from SBS increased that competition.I can't respond to someone talking in circles. I stated Kings County Hospital and Downstate were not the only destinations after you accused me of implying they were by saying there are other destinations along New York Avenue. Now you say no one is disagreeing when you previously disagreed and did it again by saying: "For some. Not All" I never said for all. I said for many. QUIT REWRITING EVERYTHING I SAY. And if anyone is going to make any proposal, it is that person or groups responsibility to make a case. You cannot merely allege without proof. THAT'S WHY IT IS THE MTA's RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVE THEIR PROPISAL IS A GOOD ONE. You ask for proof for everything I say but require no proof from DOT or the MTA. Just shows what a hypocrite you are. I have a cold the past two days which is the only reason I am spending so much time with you. You on the other hand either have no job or are goofing off on work time to be able to spend hours here these past few days. Go back to work, especially if my taxes are paying your salary. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:01:20 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Wed Mar 16 09:30:33 2016. iawtp |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:05:40 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:49:48 2016. No, he never said that. You are mistakenly merging two different scenarios into one. He made two different statements, and each statement was referring to a different scenario. I'd explain it to you but you wouldn't listen and/or wouldn't understand and/or wouldn't admit your mistake. So there's no point. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:06:55 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:03:07 2016. He hasn't changed his story at all AFAICT. How come you're the ONLY person here so far who thinks that he has??? Have you considered the possibility that you are wrong? It wouldn't be the first time. Just today you got the bridge wrong that a certain bus went over. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:11:32 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 12:07:01 2016. "You on the other hand either have no job or are goofing off on work time to be able to spend hours here these past few days. Go back to work, especially if my taxes are paying your salary."You WISH that is the case. Because if it is, it means that even with the time he spends on SubChat, he's still accomplishing way more and doing a better job at it than you did, IMO. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 13:16:07 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 12:07:01 2016. "You are wrong again. The competition to the B41 from dollar vans occurs primarily in two specific areas, Downtown Brooklyn, and Kings Plaza, two major traffic generators. The B44 serves neither. It has competition from dollar vans near Kings County Hospital and cutting service by half on New York Avenue resulting from SBS increased that competition."LOL. So you admit there is competition from dollar vans, yet you previously say that could not be a reason for lower ridership. "I can't respond to someone talking in circles." ROTFL. "I stated Kings County Hospital and Downstate were not the only destinations after you accused me of implying they were by saying there are other destinations along New York Avenue. Now you say no one is disagreeing when you previously disagreed and did it again by saying: "For some. Not All" I never said for all. I said for many. QUIT REWRITING EVERYTHING I SAY." I never said you said all. "And if anyone is going to make any proposal, it is that person or groups responsibility to make a case. You cannot merely allege without proof. THAT'S WHY IT IS THE MTA's RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVE THEIR PROPISAL IS A GOOD ONE. You ask for proof for everything I say but require no proof from DOT or the MTA. Just shows what a hypocrite you are." The MTA has made their case. Just because a nutjob like you does not believe them does not change that fact. "I have a cold the past two days which is the only reason I am spending so much time with you. You on the other hand either have no job or are goofing off on work time to be able to spend hours here these past few days. Go back to work, especially if my taxes are paying your salary." Spring Break FTW! |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:24:54 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:45:26 2016. "Not much. Hundreds of cars every hour is not a lot to deal with at all."While I doubt his scenario is grounded in reality, theoretically, hundreds of cars per hour could be a problem. It depends how many hundreds of cars, how many lanes, if these are though movements or turning movements, and how much background traffic there is. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:27:09 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:50:34 2016. Yep |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:29:30 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:43:02 2016. Exactly. And you were wrong about that! You thought they were the same! So admit you were wrong, apologize, learn from it, and start recognizing that you might not be as knowledgeable in the transportation planning/engineering area as you think you are, and that there are several people on this forum who are much more knowledgeable in this area than you are!!!! |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:29:48 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:50:56 2016. Yep. |
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