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Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 8 15:12:23 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 8 15:09:46 2016. Nobody is forbidding them from doing so. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 8 15:13:00 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 8 15:06:11 2016. You assume that there is a net increase in engine time. Faulty assumption. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 8 15:13:11 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 8 15:06:55 2016. No it does not. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Mar 8 15:13:28 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 8 15:09:46 2016. That's all true.It has absolutely no effect on the moral responsibility for air pollution created by driving. That responsibility rests solely on those who, for whatever reason, drive. I have lived in places that required driving a car for pretty much everything you wanted to do. It would never occur to me to assert that, just because I didn't have any other choices for transportation, the air pollution I was producing wasn't my fault. That's ridiculous. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 8 15:35:03 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 8 15:09:46 2016. Except none of that has anything to do with democracy. What you want to do is to take valuable resources which belong to the people, and consume them without justly compensating everyone else for the use of their resources. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Mar 8 15:35:20 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Tue Mar 8 15:13:28 2016. Would you say that if you are the only one getting on a bus at a particular stop then the pollution caused by the bus stopping and then accelerating is your fault (granted the pollution amount is low)? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 8 18:36:03 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 8 15:13:00 2016. IAWTP |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 8 18:37:21 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 8 12:24:01 2016. We have already shown many times why your assertion is faulty so "stop making up lies already". You have to be the most clueless supposed transportation planner this forum has ever seen. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 8 18:37:49 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 8 15:13:11 2016. IAWTP |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 8 18:38:04 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 8 15:06:55 2016. He just said it didn't. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 8 18:40:01 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 8 15:09:46 2016. You and your silly scenarios. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 8 18:40:47 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Tue Mar 8 14:50:32 2016. From a box of cracker jacks. He's clueless. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 8 18:50:22 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 8 10:06:23 2016. UPS can be a hard-assed, stubborn outfit, but a driver who is fined ought to bring up a union grievance. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 8 18:51:31 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 8 12:27:09 2016. Left turn bays easily get overloaded and cause rear-enders in the left lane. Then you get people "cutting in line" from the left lane, also stopping traffic. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 8 18:53:30 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 8 15:13:11 2016. Can they build some genuine Jersey-style jug-handles anywhere along this Blvd ? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 8 20:19:29 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 8 18:50:22 2016. Huh? Why should any driver be violating a traffic rule? |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 8 20:58:40 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 8 18:53:30 2016. In most places, probably not.That said, some local streets do end up forming roughly that pattern, when they cross mere feet to either side of Woodhaven. With the bridge at Atlantic, you could also probably set up something similar in effect too. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 8 20:59:48 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 8 20:19:29 2016. They shouldn't be.If they are forced to by their employer, their employer should be the one held at fault, not the employee. (Forgive me Joe if I am misunderstanding you.) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 8 21:32:23 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 8 20:59:48 2016. Why would they let their employer force them?? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 9 01:05:51 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 8 15:35:03 2016. That can be flipped around - the gas tax in theory pays for roads (at least in NY more so than most other states). So if a driver is forced to wait in traffic for longer and travel from A to B in slow stop and go traffic, he is literally paying more for less.Without a rail alternative to that corridor I can't fault people for driving it. A lot of trips involving it would require a double transfer to complete anyway (subway-bus-subway). |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 9 07:07:22 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 8 21:32:23 2016. How about catch you going off route for any reason such as obey the law and you're fired ? These are not easy people to work for. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 9 07:11:41 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 9 01:05:51 2016. the gas tax in theory pays for roads (at least in NY more so than most other states).The NYS fuel taxes pay for 14.6% of road costs. The national average is 26.9%. It ranks 46 of 51 in this measure. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 9 07:39:21 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 9 07:07:22 2016. Then don't work there? If you don't want to get a driving violation then don't work for a company that wants you to commit driving violations. It's pretty simple really. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 9 08:49:41 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 9 07:39:21 2016. You get a job where you can get a job. Plenty of rotten employers out there, both truck and bus, requiring CDL's. |
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Posted by JerBear on Wed Mar 9 08:54:06 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 8 15:09:46 2016. Actually we live in a republic (...and to the Republic for which it stands...). The big difference is that a republic is designed to protect the rights of the minority groups within, while a democracy might do that but might also just have the majority rule. The reason this is important to this discussion is because you're saying that the majority of road users should dictate how the road is used (make it a runway with no trees and asphalt as far as the eye can see! How many lanes can we fit in if we get rid of the medians and a lane of parking?) but because we live in a republic, the elected officials (in this case DeBlas) decide to override majority use and instead promote the increased use by a minority (in this case transit users). Welcome to the Republic. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 9 08:54:22 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 9 08:49:41 2016. Sorry, I just don't agree. Taking a job where the employer wants you to directly risk safety and which has personal consequences in terms of fines and your driving record is not OK. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 9 08:55:13 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by JerBear on Wed Mar 9 08:54:06 2016. BrooklynBus's mind = BLOWN |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 9 09:00:02 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 9 08:54:22 2016. Most are probably unaware of employer antics until they've been there beyond a break-in period. Then getting another job is usually difficult, or is moving from the frying pan to the frier. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 9 09:37:36 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 8 12:09:01 2016. How do you know this?A UPS truck nearly ran me over, while I was crossing 41st Ave, in a crosswalk and with the light. I had a discussion with the driver as a result. That was the driver's assigned route. I've seen other UPS trucks making the same illegal turn at this intersection. There are only two possibilities for how the driver was going north on Kissena at this intersection. First, he turned right onto Kissena while going west on Sanford Ave (2 blocks before). The legal way would have been continue on Sanford for one block and turn right onto Main St and then turn right onto 41st Ave. However, that would have lengthened the route. Second, he was heading north on Kissena before he reached Sanford Ave. This is the more likely scenario. The legal way would have been to turn left onto Sanford, right onto Main St and right onto 41st Ave. However, this would have violated the software's no left turn criterion. I don't know whether turn restrictions are available in computer format. One-way street directions, street width, height restrictions, parking regulations and traffic light locations are. If they aren't, it's a major omission. The services that make money from selling routing software should pay for including such information in open databases. It's possible that I'll be seeing the person in charge of NYCDOT's open database program within the next couple of months. I'll try to remember to ask her whether such information is available. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 9 10:28:27 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by JerBear on Wed Mar 9 08:54:06 2016. No I am not saying that the majority of road users should make it a runway with no trees. You are just making up lies. The road presently has plenty of trees not not a single automobile user or anyone else fir that matter has suggested to destroy those mature trees except DOT that wants them all taken down and replaced with one year old trees.Similarly no one has suggested getting rid of existing medians and a lane of parking. MORE LIES FROM YOU! Also no one have made a case that these so called improvements would attract any meaningful number of new riders. Most SBS routes have been losing riders not attracting new ones. What I have been saying is that any improvement should not inconvenience more than are being helped. When you add up the number of people whose trips will take longer tines the number of minutes longer, it will be much greater than the number of people whose trips will be shortened when you consider door to door travel not only the number of minutes buses will save. What is being proposed is just poor planning in both a democracy and in a republic because more aggregate minutes will be lost than will be saved. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 9 11:05:44 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 9 10:28:27 2016. "No I am not saying that the majority of road users should make it a runway with no trees. You are just making up lies. The road presently has plenty of trees not not a single automobile user or anyone else fir that matter has suggested to destroy those mature trees except DOT that wants them all taken down and replaced with one year old trees. Similarly no one has suggested getting rid of existing medians and a lane of parking. MORE LIES FROM YOU!"He is making a metaphor. It is quite an apt one, and considering how personally you are taking it, I suspect you realize that. "Also no one have made a case that these so called improvements would attract any meaningful number of new riders." Actually, many people have. You just keep on ignoring it. "Most SBS routes have been losing riders not attracting new ones." Blatantly false when you isolate the effect of the SBS conversion. "What I have been saying is that any improvement should not inconvenience more than are being helped." Exactly! Which is why Woodhaven SBS is a great project. It helps lots of people and hurts so few that they are statistically nonexistent! "When you add up the number of people whose trips will take longer" Near zero "tines the number of minutes longer," Again near zero "it will be much greater than the number of people whose trips will be shortened when you consider door to door travel not only the number of minutes buses will save. No. 0*0>N is false, assuming N is positive, which it will be. N also won't be small. "What is being proposed is just poor planning in both a democracy and in a republic because more aggregate minutes will be lost than will be saved." No. Even if bus riders saved NO TIME AT ALL, it would be a good plan because AUTO RIDERS WILL SAVE TIME! |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Mar 9 11:52:30 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Mar 8 15:35:20 2016. Fundamentally yes, although in comparison to driving around in a car, that's pretty marginal even though buses generate a lot more pollution than cars. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Mar 9 11:57:51 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by JerBear on Wed Mar 9 08:54:06 2016. Incorrect. We live in both.Democracy = power resides in the people. Republic = there is no monarch. The U.S. is a democratic republic. The UK is a democratic monarchy. The Soviet Union was a totalitarian republic (or union of republics, if you prefer). |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 9 12:20:23 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Wed Mar 9 11:57:51 2016. What is Canada ? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 9 13:40:21 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 9 09:00:02 2016. I know. These are moral issues. And more. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 9 13:41:43 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Mar 9 09:37:36 2016. Cool. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 9 13:48:55 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 9 10:28:27 2016. No I am not saying that the majority of road users should make it a runway with no trees. You are just making up lies. The road presently has plenty of trees not not a single automobile user or anyone else fir that matter has suggested to destroy those mature trees except DOT that wants them all taken down and replaced with one year old trees.I don't want to make light of a potentially serious situation but I'd like to point out that this is starting to become frighteningly similar to what happened with Dan Lawrence. BrooklynBus's responses are getting even odder than normal, even venturing into the bizarre. Why can't he recognize that JerBear is using various literary devices, such as exaggeration, to make a point? Why is he taking him literally? I'm mildly concerned, honestly. Does anyone agree that his behavior getting worse? |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 9 13:57:30 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 9 13:48:55 2016. I dunno- They have been pretty odd and bizarre for a long time. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 9 15:16:00 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 9 12:20:23 2016. Also democratic monarchy. |
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Posted by JerBear on Wed Mar 9 15:36:49 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 9 13:48:55 2016. I was using exaggeration, but only slightly. I had to go to the DOT website to find what I remember doing. I went to a meeting on Woodhaven SBS on June 25th, 2014. They had us do a weird design exercise where we put bus lanes and bike lanes and medians with trees on a cross section of Woodhaven Boulevard. Basically we could redesign the Boulevard from scratch. I put center-running bus lanes in mine. If you look at the results (www.nyc.gov/html/brt/downloads/pdf/2014-06-25-brt-woodhaven_publicworkshop2-streetdesigns.pdf) look at slide 13. Somebody left a 7-foot median with trees and one lane of parking, and bulldozed the rest to be 5 lanes in each direction. So somebody did suggest getting rid of the medians between the main road and the access road, somebody suggested getting rid of a lane of parking, and somebody suggested destroying any trees that exist in the side medians. Obviously this is just one person's idea, and a lot of the results had bus lanes and bike lanes. But the slide 13 design is clearly oriented towards car drivers (the majority of road users) and not bus riders or pedestrians or bicyclists. It's an extreme proposal but somebody out there is thinking it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 9 17:47:31 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 8 15:12:23 2016. No one is forbidding them but your idea on how to encourage mass transit is to make driving so inconvenient and tineconsuming that a long bus trip wil now be competitive. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE SHOULD DO TO PROMOTE MASS TRANSIT. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 9 17:51:51 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Tue Mar 8 15:13:28 2016. We were talking about extra air pollution caused by requiring you to drive additional distances you previously weren't driving, so your analogy of having no other choices does not apply. The driver is causing the extra air pollution, but the government that is necessitating that extra driving is the responsible party. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 9 17:53:53 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 9 01:05:51 2016. Agreed. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 9 18:02:42 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 9 17:47:31 2016. No.The Woodhaven project not only makes the bus a LOT faster, It MAKES CAR TRIPS FASTER TOO. So it does exactly the opposite of what you say, which makes your statement entirely false. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 9 18:03:22 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 9 17:51:51 2016. But the average car will be stuck in traffic less, which ends up reducing pollution. Win-Win!! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 9 18:05:29 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 8 15:13:00 2016. You are saying that driving an extra half mile or mile can be done in zero time? |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 9 18:08:31 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 9 18:05:29 2016. No. I am saying that the net time will be reduced.And as I have pointed out to you many times before, NOBODY HAS TO GO A MILE OUT OF THEIR WAY. YOU KNOW THAT. YOU ARE NOW BEING FLAT OUT DECEITFUL. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 9 18:17:44 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 9 18:02:42 2016. NICE |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 9 18:17:51 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Feb 24 23:24:44 2016. No it is not the AM peak which is defined by 7 to 10 AM if you go by the hours the bus lane is in effect.DOT is giving numbers at Myrtle only FOR A ONE HOUR PERIOD. That is the peak of the peak. Why aren't they at least showing the entire peak? BECAUSE THEY ARE CHERRY PICKING DATA. What is happening during a one hour period (for only five days a week) out of 24 HOURS, is immaterial when you are making a proposal FOR 24/7. So any conclusions you come up with for that one hour period is TOTALLY MEANINGLESS. And I never assume 75 minutes to go 2.3 miles. The only way you can make a point it seems is to make up things I never stated since you can't argue with what I did actually state. I said saving 10 minutes for a 75 minute trip is insignificant because that is all SBS will save. I never said anything about that 75 minute trip being 2.3 miles long. A trip of that length would save much less time like five minutes if you are lucky. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 9 18:18:18 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 9 18:03:22 2016. Yep! BrooklynBus is clueless. |
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