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Change on B103 |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Mon Feb 27 22:38:22 2012 Interesting change put in on B103 (yes there were signs). Starting today, they changed the route on the buses headed to downtown Brooklyn getting off the Prospect Expressway and driving down 7th Avenue to 9th Street then across on 9th Street to 5th Avenue and 5th Avenue to Flatbush past the Barclay Centre on Flatbush to make the left turn onto Livingston. There was no congestion to speak of on 7th or 5th, a bit on Flatbush. Originally the route stayed on the Prospect Expressway to 4th Avenue and used 3rd Avenue to Flatbush and the quick two left turns onto Livingston. That route sometimes could get congested and when it did, they used 4th Avenue.....seemed to me to be a bit longer than the old way this morning.Not complaining mind you. They must know what they're doing. Or do they? |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Feb 27 22:47:14 2012, in response to Change on B103, posted by MATHA531 on Mon Feb 27 22:38:22 2012. I like it, but there should be one minor tweak to me: Add a connection to the B61 in Park Slope. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Feb 28 00:34:21 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Feb 27 22:47:14 2012. And stop at Atlantic Terminal. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by PATHman on Tue Feb 28 00:38:43 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Feb 28 00:34:21 2012. Then it may as well just be a regular local bus |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Feb 28 08:21:04 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by PATHman on Tue Feb 28 00:38:43 2012. It already is, pretty much. Other than bypassing the Park Slope neighborhood, it's a local bus with some widely spaced stops.I think there should be more B103-like routes in the system. Widely spaced stops with good connections. I wouldn't be against adding a stop somewhere in Park Slope (only 1 though) and then at Atlantic Term. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Feb 28 08:53:59 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Feb 27 22:47:14 2012. Why? You can transfer to the B61 Downtown. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Feb 28 09:06:45 2012, in response to Change on B103, posted by MATHA531 on Mon Feb 27 22:38:22 2012. I wish the NB 103 was able to use 4th Avenue. :(Does anyone here get the feeling the TA might eventually axe the Downtown - Junction portion of the B103? |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Feb 28 09:23:04 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Feb 28 09:06:45 2012. Question is, is the B103 living up to its purpose, which I believe is to give BM1-4 branch riders an opportunity to get to Downtown Brooklyn fast by changing at Church / E 7th?Either way, the B103 runs pretty often right now to all of a sudden have half of its line cut. Were these periodic service increases justified? |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Feb 28 09:59:27 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Feb 28 09:23:04 2012. Does the B103 use local or express erquipment? |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Feb 28 10:04:50 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by Dan on Tue Feb 28 09:59:27 2012. Local, but it does use hand me down Orions from the express routes though, many still have their padded seats!But that won't be for much longer, as more new LF CNGs come to SC they will eventually be retired. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Feb 28 10:19:21 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Feb 28 09:23:04 2012. Most of the ridership is between the Junction and Caransie, B103 has a LOT of short turns at the Junction. The service increase on that part of the route is justified. Its crazy as imagine if the TA never took over Command and all those people had to ride the B6! |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Feb 28 10:38:55 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Feb 28 10:04:50 2012. Back in the Command days, on occasion an MCI Classic would make a guest appearance. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Tue Feb 28 11:24:03 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Feb 28 10:19:21 2012. The buses out of Canarsie are jammed in the morning. Much of it are the school kids who have chosen not to attend Canarsie and South Shore and are bussed across the borough o what they think are better schools. Once you get to the junction, half the buses are short turned and for the most part, there are seats to be had (although many of these kids continue on to some school near Coney Island Avenue, I don't know what school it is). I wouldn't say the branch from the junction to downtown is empty but there are almost always ample seats to be had (which is important as it is a long long ride...I think, also the opening of Target at the junction has had something to do with the increaser in ridership and the addition of much more Saturday service and Sunday service. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Feb 28 11:55:43 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Feb 28 08:21:04 2012. I would add only one stop too---at 9 Street, plus Atlantic Terminal.What other B103-like routes could be possible though that don't already have a viable subway alternative? The B103 works because the MTA tapped a previously untapped market. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Feb 28 12:02:59 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by MATHA531 on Tue Feb 28 11:24:03 2012. I would say that the addition of B103 service, starting with midday service, is what attracted people to it. The MTA probably never anticipated that the ridership would explode though. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Feb 28 12:27:06 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Feb 28 11:55:43 2012. How about a B103 branch (different route number of course) to the BM1, 3, and 4 branches for starters? The B103 is successful because it both connects two areas that would otherwise be unconnected (Downtown Bklyn with Canarsie) and fills in gaps in local service along the way (Avenues M and H).So maybe something from Manhattan Beach (North shore) then via Knapp St (entirety), then to, say, Kings Plaza, and non-stop to Rockaway Pkwy L Station. Can be adjusted as you wish but just thinking out loud. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Feb 28 13:14:30 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Feb 28 12:02:59 2012. And this is one main reason why the MTA should learn how to market new services andwhile reducing service on the least (and I mean LEAST) profitable routes.If the MTA was as bold as NICE, they would eventually learn from the mistakes of cutting service. I am not saying cutting a route which serves only one or two passengers per trip, I am taking about reducing frequencies on most routes and eliminating routes which cause a large gap of bus service in an affected area. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by subbus aka eny local on Thu Mar 1 21:01:10 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Feb 28 08:53:59 2012. For those wishing to go to IKEA............ |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Thu Mar 1 23:03:38 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Feb 28 12:27:06 2012. If there is a need for B 103 routes, then I would say that should one of the purposes that an SBS route should be used for. Since building subway lines are too expensive and too NIMBY supportive, SBS/BRT would be the best option. In the case of Brooklyn a crosstown B 103 or SBS like route is needed to connect Southwest Brooklyn with Southeast Brooklyn or even to JFK Airport. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Thu Mar 1 23:14:11 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Feb 28 13:14:30 2012. I would not use the boldness of NICE to compare it with MTA, MTA's problem is that budget prevents Operation planning from modifying the system. It only modifies when there is a public outcry and/or a major impact that involves a local polition is involved (for example Ridgewood Terminal or a city demand to a development project or it can be a feeder to a subway line.Let s be real, the decline in bus ridership and the increase of subway ridership is evidence. If modifications were made in the Brooklyn system, I guarantee you that service would improve. There are studies put out last year that the outerboros are showing job growth and that bus and subway system does not assist in that growth. So utilized that info and build more interboro (Brooklyn - Queens/Bronx - Queens) crosstown routes. Use SBS or Express bus routes that also are interboro routes. Again south Brooklyn is in need of this. Just my 2 cents |
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C40LF on the B103 |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Mar 2 12:02:49 2012, in response to Change on B103, posted by MATHA531 on Mon Feb 27 22:38:22 2012. I didn't feel like starting a new thread. Although I had a nasty divorce from NYCTF, I still check out the photos there on a regular basis. I've noticed that the C40LF's are now on the B103. When I get time off in a week, I'll take some pics. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 2 14:14:20 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by B49 Limited on Thu Mar 1 23:03:38 2012. But instead of or in addition to SBS how about an old-fashioned express - widely spaced (mile or more) stops across the borough. Like a stop in Bay Ridge, a stop in Dyker Heights, a stop in Bensonhurst, a stop in Midwood, a stop in Flatbush, etc. and then have a series of those. |
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Re: C40LF on the B103 |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 2 14:16:33 2012, in response to C40LF on the B103, posted by PATHman on Fri Mar 2 12:02:49 2012. B100 too. They stand out in Mill Basin and at the E 16th St station. |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Mar 2 15:54:12 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by B49 Limited on Thu Mar 1 23:03:38 2012. If Flatbush Avenue wasn't so narrow, I'd propose this for the B41. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Fri Mar 2 16:16:46 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by B49 Limited on Thu Mar 1 23:14:11 2012. Good post, though I think this makes something like the oft-discussed Triborough rail line worth more than just a look...my blog |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by grand concourse on Fri Mar 2 16:48:44 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 2 14:14:20 2012. Problem isn't the stops, it's the congestion by other cars on the same road. If that was cleared up, the bus can move faster even with the amount of stops it has. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by grand concourse on Fri Mar 2 16:50:56 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Feb 28 10:38:55 2012. Those were the days... Those CNG RTSs were 'fun' to ride as well especially when the buses were making the turn at the corners. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Fri Mar 2 17:54:08 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by grand concourse on Fri Mar 2 16:50:56 2012. ' Fun to ride" ? Really ? I think not. They were very unreliable for the first 6 years or so, then they got slightly better at least reliability wise.The ride quality was always poor, the rear half of the bus was always hot & had a natural gas odor. I for one would pass them up 95% of the time, the weather had to be poor or I really needed to be someplace for me to ride them. I was extremely happy when they were retired from service. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by grand concourse on Fri Mar 2 18:38:18 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by Mr. D - Type on Fri Mar 2 17:54:08 2012. fun to ride in the sense "omg, the bus is gonna tip over".I didn't ride many of them so I don't have as much of an experience about how bad they were. Most of my rides were short, basically B100 from 16th st to FB av. |
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Re: C40LF on the B103 |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Mar 2 18:49:37 2012, in response to C40LF on the B103, posted by PATHman on Fri Mar 2 12:02:49 2012. How does one "divorce" a website??? Just wondering.... |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Fri Mar 2 20:07:03 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Mar 2 14:14:20 2012. I mention in another post on this same topic what I believe should happen with Express buses, there is a need for crosstown express or SBS routes.Here is an example of what I think should happen An express or SBS route from Bay Ridge - 4 Av/95 St to JFK Airport via 4 Av, 65 ST, Av P, Kings Hwy, Av K, Flatlands Av, Fountain Av, Linden Blvd, Counduit Blvd*, Lefferts Blvd*, Lefferts Blvd - Airtrain Station. *Working on a way to create a station or stop to the Racino. This is a route I think will get a plus by many people in south Brooklyn area, an experimental route for future routes. To me that is what SBS, Express, and B 103 like routes should be. |
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Re: C40LF on the B103 |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Mar 2 23:35:07 2012, in response to Re: C40LF on the B103, posted by LRG5784 on Fri Mar 2 18:49:37 2012. It was a metaphor |
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Re: C40LF on the B103 |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sat Mar 3 10:47:36 2012, in response to Re: C40LF on the B103, posted by PATHman on Fri Mar 2 23:35:07 2012. Interesting....I haven't been anywhere along the B103 in a while, maybe on Monday I'll free myself some time and check out the line if I can. |
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Re: C40LF on the B103 |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Mar 4 00:26:33 2012, in response to Re: C40LF on the B103, posted by PATHman on Fri Mar 2 23:35:07 2012. or their site suck shit anyways... |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Mar 4 00:30:41 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Feb 28 08:53:59 2012. 9th Street/Park Slope area has lots of business. |
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Re: C40LF on the B103 |
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Posted by BedStuyGuy on Sun Mar 4 00:35:07 2012, in response to Re: C40LF on the B103, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Mar 4 00:26:33 2012. That's my you read my shit site on a daily basis! Thanks lil man! ROFLMAO! |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Mar 6 14:08:50 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Feb 28 12:02:59 2012. Rode the 10a.m. from Williams Avenue to Tillary Street today beginning to end. Weekday midday. I was surprised at the numbers with 8 buses per hour - many standees from about Ralph to Nostrand, though they probably could have sat if they needed to. Once we were passed Nostrand, headed to Downtown, we were down to a few and I was one of 7 that was aboard for the highway / non-stop stretch.Maybe it should be half-hourly to Downtown during the day. You'd probably be able to cut a third of the buses and I don't think you'd lose many riders as the ones who appreciate the service would just start looking at the schedule. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Mar 6 14:10:58 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Mar 6 14:08:50 2012. In addition I don't see why they use 9th St and 5th Avenue - what's wrong with the B67 route via 7th and Flatbush? It just gave two extra turns which both took a while - we were 4 minutes late at the end at Tillary, but I would say we would have been right on time if we just used 7th and Flatbush. |
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Re: Change on B103 |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Tue Mar 6 15:08:47 2012, in response to Re: Change on B103, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Mar 6 14:08:50 2012. You are aware, aren't you, that every other bus short turns at the junction and really during mid day only 4 buses an hour goes all the way downtown....it picks up somewhat during peak hours but of course during peak hours, traffic is much heavier. I also wonder if it would make more sense on the trip from downtown to stay on the Prospect Expressway and make a left at Beverley to Coney Island Avenue..(I am sure they can get special permission from the city to go the one block from Church to Beverley (or is Beverly) Road....as it is now that detour via McDonald Avenue to Church adds about 10 minutes to the route from downtown. |
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