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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Mon Jul 28 14:38:35 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Ken S. on Mon Jul 28 14:27:13 2008. Its quite a trip. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Mon Jul 28 15:16:00 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Pablo M 201 on Mon Jul 28 14:38:35 2008. Can MTA lease space from Academy at their lot in Hoboken? Hoboken and Jersey City are really the only places I can think of right now outside of driving empty buses back to the outer boroughs. |
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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Mon Jul 28 15:33:26 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Ken S. on Mon Jul 28 15:16:00 2008. Hoboken can work if theres enough space to fit in a lot for MTA buses.What they could do, since at times there an empty part of the parking lot thats in Lincoln Harbor, close to the light rail station, you can put some buses there if the MTA gets permission. |
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Posted by 7trainkrys on Mon Jul 28 22:25:53 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Sun Jul 27 23:47:11 2008. Interesting. I only noticed some of the runs ending in Fresh Meadows got extended to Glen Oaks. Before all the buses leaving between 4 and 5 in the evening would end in Fresh Meadows. There were only 3 NST buses from Downtown. I've ridden that bus- polite driver- and many people were getting off before 188 St anyway. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Jul 29 00:47:35 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jul 28 13:52:42 2008. [sarcasm]How dare them city folk come into Long Island? We must protect the land with a moat! [/sarcasm] |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 29 10:12:42 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Forest Glen on Sat Jul 26 23:56:27 2008. However...fuel prices (somewhat) and the looming city and state budget crisis (think 1975 bad---and much more relevant) are going to force the issue.Watch congestion pricing make a comeback---as a way to prevent the MTA from going broke. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 29 10:13:40 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Ken S. on Mon Jul 28 15:16:00 2008. Academy has no room in its lot. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 29 10:19:49 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Sun Jul 27 23:01:26 2008. Then the LIRR (and Metro-North) fare system needs to be fixed so that it can become a viable alternative within NYC (excluding Far Rockaway---in Zone 4).If people could ride the LIRR for less, watch ridership within city limits skyrocket. And while at it, rebuild the Elmhurst station. Energy prices will force the issue...the MTA's fuel prices are only hedged through next year...just when the state budget is going to hit rock bottom. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 29 10:21:51 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jul 27 09:58:27 2008. And what about those people who are unable to use the subway because of inaccessibility? Should those people be forced onto local buses? (The MTA has tightened paratransit eligibility, and thus these people may not be nearly automatic qualifiers.)Inability to use the subway does NOT equate to paratransit eligibility in the MTA's eyes. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jul 29 12:25:09 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Jul 29 00:47:35 2008. Monty Python or Family Guy? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 29 14:47:03 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 29 10:19:49 2008. Should Rego Park also be reopened? |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Tue Jul 29 15:42:25 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 29 10:19:49 2008. The problem is that Floral Park STA and Bellerose STA aren't within city limits. So that wouldn't help people in Floral Park, Glen Oaks, Bellerose and those are people riding the QM1A.The only thing I hate about the express buses are the Cruisers, because they're overkill. There really isn't a place in the city Si included (not via NJ) where they can actually get up to a decent speed, there's just too much traffic. IMO regardless of their age MTA should have left the ex-LLE and NYBS Classics in service they were sufficient. They could have and should have just gotten more Orion 5 Suburbans or seeing as how MTA is hybrid crazed had Orion create an suburban O7. I do agree the the LIRR and MNRR fare system needs to be re-vamped. |
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Posted by mci guy on Tue Jul 29 16:54:54 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Tue Jul 29 15:42:25 2008. MTA thinks 58 mph is decent speed since mci buses governed there. |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Tue Jul 29 21:12:21 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jul 28 13:52:42 2008. Something that could be done right now is have express or commuter bus service to suppliment areas and times LIRR cant get to. NJT seems to do this pretty well, they have commuter bus service to places deep into NJ, why cant we have this on Long Island? |
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Posted by R40SlantontheB on Tue Jul 29 21:14:49 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Tue Jul 29 15:42:25 2008. The cruisers would be great for an LI Express bus service. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Jul 29 21:42:35 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by R40SlantontheB on Tue Jul 29 21:12:21 2008. LIRR riders aren't interested, in general. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 30 00:29:06 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by R40SlantontheB on Tue Jul 29 21:14:49 2008. The QM1A should be extended to the Lake Success Quadrangle. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 30 00:29:53 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 30 00:29:06 2008. I also think that Bee-Line's 4C route should serve Main Street/Martine Avenue in White Plains. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 30 17:08:54 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by JAzumah on Tue Jul 29 21:42:35 2008. Truth... they want everything but they dont want to bare the costs they dont want in their back yard blah blah you can't please these people. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 30 17:51:35 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jul 28 13:52:42 2008. However...you are forgetting one other thing: In Nassau, the MTA is UNABLE to run reverse peak service on the Main Line because both tracks are needed for one direction. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 30 17:54:00 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 30 00:29:53 2008. It doesn't go there for noncompete reasons. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 30 18:13:24 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 30 17:54:00 2008. From who? Metro-North? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 30 19:58:16 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 30 17:51:35 2008. thats what Im saying the MTA WANTS to third track to increase capacity but historical societies and NIMBY crying is stopping it, wheres eminent domain when its necessary. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 30 20:27:51 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 30 19:58:16 2008. Eminent domain is usually used for last resort. But you have those who sue knowing they can't win...but it can push back the start of construction for a year. |
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Posted by b1bus on Sat Aug 9 23:29:08 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jul 27 14:47:27 2008. I went from the X28 to BxM4c to White Plains on a Saturday this past spring. |
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Posted by b1bus on Sat Aug 9 23:33:46 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 30 00:29:53 2008. I emailed about that. I asked : because of metrocard transfers, why not extend the BXM4C to the transit center. The response was that they tried it in the past and it did not get enough riders. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Sun Aug 10 00:29:23 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jul 27 12:26:35 2008. "I think that paratransit qualifications need to be liberalized a bit if that's the case. "Are you crazy!!!!!! The para Transit requirements are far two liberal and the average cost per ride as reported in the NY post recently is $63 per ride. Express bus ride per passenger is far less The express bus issue can be resolved by raising the fare to where it should be $7-10. Higher fare on lines that parallel train lines. Lower fare on lines that don't. This will result in demand destruction and greater farebox recovery. Will this ever happen NOOO. The politico have no balls to do the right thing for the state and we let them get away with it FYI demand destruction when gast reach $4.40 a gallon is the reason gas prices have declined. Will this ever happen NOOOO |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 00:42:25 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by brightonr68 on Sun Aug 10 00:29:23 2008. "The express bus issue can be resolved by raising the fare to where it should be $7-10. Higher fare on lines that parallel train lines. Lower fare on lines that don't. This will result in demand destruction and greater farebox recovery.Will this ever happen NOOO. The politico have no balls to do the right thing for the state and we let them get away with it" DING DING DING! And that is why we are going back to the 1970s in a hurry. No money to run anything. No money to fix anything. The people that say "We can't do all of this" are capitalist pigs. The politicians are afraid to speak up. No leadership whatsoever because all the people in power want to be loved by big money. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sun Aug 10 00:45:50 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 00:42:25 2008. Rather than to address the real issues the MTA faces, people are taking the easy way out of scapegoating express buses. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Aug 10 00:49:52 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by b1bus on Sat Aug 9 23:33:46 2008. I see, thanks a lot for the info man. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Sun Aug 10 01:42:51 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Forest Glen on Sun Aug 10 00:45:50 2008. very trueit is a needed service. Staten island residents should have to pay the full toll on the varazzano bidge. They now get plenty of mta services |
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Posted by mci guy on Sun Aug 10 07:38:23 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by brightonr68 on Sun Aug 10 01:42:51 2008. learn how to spell. other nyc residents then should pay a toll on free bridges. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 09:38:32 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Forest Glen on Sun Aug 10 00:45:50 2008. It is part of the real issues. There are no sacred cows except Paratransit when it comes to cuts. You can't cut Paratransit, you can only make it work better.Express buses across the city have to be scheduled for a 85-90% load factor on 75% of the buses. Otherwise, there is no need to justify the extra expense of an MCI. The whole purpose was to consolidate runs to reduce the losses. Subways can no longer be overscheduled. This will mean cuts for sure. Certain express stations will have to be skipped during rush hour for safety reasons. People need to learn that most locals aren't that slow. Local buses may have to become more infrequent. It is better to have less service when the alternative is losing everything. I do not think that people understand how close we are to losing EVERYTHING. If you do not do rehabs on your capital infrastructure, there will come a point where it will all fall down at ONCE. We need to start making cuts and fix the aging tunnels and elevated structures now while we still have time to shut off parts of one subway line and divert people. If you leave things too long, you'll have to shut down multiple subway lines at once and that would be bad. The BMT Broadway el is almost 100 years old. The Jerome el is in its 70s and the White Plains el is almost that old as well. Forget about the IRT Broadway (1) el. They all need to be replaced very very soon and it will take at least five years for each one. I didn't live in the 1970s and I have no interest in going back to bell bottoms, broken buses, and track fires. No thanks. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 10 09:49:35 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 09:38:32 2008. However...in the case of many busier local buses...every single local bus is needed, because existing service is well in excess of MTA loading guidelines, unless the MTA intends to modify the guidelines...especially on most of the former NYCDOT routes. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 10 09:53:32 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 09:38:32 2008. The alternatives could also be to raise the gas tax in the MTA's service area and dedicate that to mass transit, or to raise the MTA portion of the sales tax. (Some have actually suggested a gas tax floor to prevent fuel from going below a minimum price.)Also, when an MTA board member, Norman Seabrook, suggested selling naming rights to major facilities and stations, it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 10 09:56:39 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 09:38:32 2008. Certain express stations will have to be skipped during rush hour for safety reasons. People need to learn that most locals aren't that slow.However, you are missing one crucial point: The more stops a train skips, the less turnover it has, and turnover is absolutely essential in mass transit to cut down on expenses. An answer may be to shorten lines off-peak or weekends. But I'm not sure if having express stations skipped for safety reasons is a good idea...sorry, but turnover is more important. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Aug 10 10:42:21 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by R40SlantontheB on Tue Jul 29 21:12:21 2008. Because those with the $$$ do not want it. The people, in general, who will be riding these buses would be people of generally foreign birth going to low paying factory and houskeeping jobs. Many in the upscale communities do not want "those people" possibly getting off in their towns. A group of people in one wealthier community on Long Island went ape when Sears decided to move into a vacant building in their town because they did not want "those people" in "their [town deleted]" |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 10 10:45:12 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by mtk52983 on Sun Aug 10 10:42:21 2008. Is this the case where the town said no, and a judge essentially is forcing it on them whether they like it or not (a decision now being appealed)? |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Aug 10 11:11:48 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 29 10:12:42 2008. Congestion Pricing is The Plan That Will Not Die! There is no popular support for it outside of Manhattan.If x-bus routes are eliminated you will effectively be doubling the commute time for residents of Staten Island and eastern Queens. And you'll be turning a 1-seat ride into a 2-seat or even a 3-seat ride in some cases. Now how does that benefit anybody?? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Aug 10 11:31:02 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 10 10:45:12 2008. No, it was just citizens voicing displeasure. Sears did move into the location |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Aug 10 11:33:46 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by mtk52983 on Sun Aug 10 11:31:02 2008. I don't see what's so bad about a Sears. It's just another big store. |
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Posted by 7trainkrys on Sun Aug 10 13:53:07 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by Dan on Sun Aug 10 11:11:48 2008. People in Manhattan don't like it either. It taxes the cars they drive out of the city and could hike up taxi fares. |
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Posted by 7trainkrys on Sun Aug 10 13:57:01 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 10 09:53:32 2008. Service area? If it includes MBR and LIRR That's everywhere regardless of the density. If it was just 5 boroughs, I'd buy gas in Great Neck. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 10 14:17:02 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by 7trainkrys on Sun Aug 10 13:57:01 2008. The service area is technically defined as the 12 counties in the MCTD (NYC, Long Island, Westchester, Putnam, Dutchess, Rockland, and Orange Counties...although the primary transit operator in the lower Hudson Valley west of the Hudson is Coach USA.) |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 14:39:13 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 10 09:49:35 2008. They do...they plan to go up to 125% of seated load capacity off peak. That is up from the 100% of seated capacity guideline. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 14:40:53 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 10 09:53:32 2008. That could be an option as well, but the MTA has to lose weight. If it doesn't Slim Fast, it is going to starve. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 14:42:08 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 10 09:56:39 2008. "But I'm not sure if having express stations skipped for safety reasons is a good idea...sorry, but turnover is more important."Safety does not take a back seat to anything. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Aug 10 15:26:01 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 14:42:08 2008. There are local stations that are just as crowded. There needs to be a better form of passenger distribution. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Aug 10 15:33:34 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 10 14:42:08 2008. How is safety compromised, however? |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Aug 10 16:09:58 2008, in response to Re: It's time to restructure and eliminate express bus routes..., posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 30 17:51:35 2008. However...you are forgetting one other thing: In Nassau, the MTA is UNABLE to run reverse peak service on the Main Line because both tracks are needed for one direction.Not that one again... Pad the schedules by up to seven minutes and they'll fit on one track... |
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