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Posted by R30A on Mon Mar 14 17:49:32 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 14 17:02:53 2016. "Isn't it possible that during the first year many riders decided to try SBS because of all the hype so ridership increased during the first year."Yes, but those people would be insignificant in number to matter." Pure speculation on your part." A REALLY safe assumption. "Ridership went down systemwide but IT WENT DOWN BY GREATER PERCENTAGES ON MOST SBS ROUTES." Not really. Each route which went down appears to have similar loss to the parallel routes. "Yes it is distinctly absurd even to think that some riders gave up on SBS because they weren't saving any time after they factored in the extra waiting and just missing a bus because they had to first get a receipt. Just absolutely absurd." Yeah, because those things just don't happen. "But you can't just isolate the variable of SBS. That is the problem. There are just too many factors at play." Of course. Nobody said first year data is perfect. It is just the ONLY ridership data that is applicable in any way. "You say ridership can go down and the route can still be a success." Yeah, ridership is not the only way to measure success. "Are you saying that because UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES YOU WILL ADMIT SBS FAILURE?" Under no circumstances will SBS be a failure, so I can't see circumstances under which I will admit a falsehood. "So what are you basing your B44 success on? That bus run times from end to end decreased by 15 minutes? How does that help the passenger when NO ONE TRAVELS THE ENTIRE ROUTE or even a majority of the route." It certainly does help them. "The average passenger trip is only 2.3 miles long so the time savings for the average passenger may only be three minutes." Your source for that number is what exactly? And saving three minutes out of how many? If you save 3 minutes on what was a 5 minute trip, that is SPECTACULAR. "Sure some are helped. No one ever denied that." "But no one has shown more people aren't hurt even when you only consider bus riders." You are right! Nobody has shown that more people aren't hurt when you only consider bus riders! Thanks for admitting it. "Service was greatly increased in the hopes most Sheepshead Bay residents would switch from the B4 and B36 to the B44 SBS. THAT NEVER HAPPENED." It was? "The B44 SBS never carries more than 6 passengers south of Avenue X in either direction except perhaps when shifts are changing at the nursing homes on Emmons Avenue." Really? Where are the ride counts to back up your claim? "As a result service on the B44 SBS and the local was greatly reduced south of Avenue U when the additional passengers did not materialize as predicted. SO HOW DO YOU CONSIDER THIS ROUTE TO BE SUCCESSFUL?" 15 minute reduction in run times is not a big success? You can't win an argument if you admit the thing you are saying is unsuccessful is successful at the very beginning of your argument. |
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