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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 11:41:08 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 11:11:21 2016. "Yes all your assumptions are really safe, but all of mine are unproven. REALLY?"In general yes. That is why I make safe assumptions. If you want people not to challenge your assumptions don't make ones which are obviously false. "Not really. Each route which went down appears to have similar loss to the parallel routes." You can't conclude that without doing an analysis of every SBS route that lost ridership which you did not do. Actually, you can just by looking at it. "The 2.3 mile average trip length comes directly out of a preliminary B44 SBS report before it was implemented." How can you possibly use the average trip length for BEFORE a change and apply it to AFTER the change when you looking at the service which will disproportionately favor the longer distance riders. "And we are not talking about saving three minutes out of a five minute trip. You pulled that number out if your ass. We are talking more about saving three minutes out of a 20 or 30 minute trip." LOL. Assuming 15 minute end to end savings on a route which takes under an hour, a 30 minute trip would end up with an 8 minute reduction. That all said. FINE, let us accept your numbers anyway. Saving 3 minutes on a 30 minute trip is a TEN PERCENT REDUCTION. THAT IS F'ING HUGE. But still, that is smaller than it is. "Just because no one has shown more bus riders are hurt than are helped doesn't automatically make the contrary statement true that more are helped. It just means we don't know because of a lack of data." LOL. You have to find a population which was actually hurt for it to be possible that more were hurt than helped. Yes service was initially greatly increased south of Avenue U. During rush hours the SBS and local initially operated every once every three minutes combined. Previously, it was like a limited bus once every five or more minutes. Service was reduced when the anticipated ridership never materialized. "The ride counts are in at least one article in Sheepshead where I stood on the corner of Avenue Z and Nostrand for an hour in the AM and counted B44 and B 36 riders." LOL. i.e. the counts don't exist. "A 15 minute reduction in run times may be good for the MTA. It does not follow that it is good for the passenger when those savings come as a result of walking extra distances to an SBS bus stop when compared to the Limited in place before." Yes, I forgot. Most riders want to take longer to get home. Relatively few stops eliminated. You think they don't do calculations to see how many riders would be inconvenienced by stop eliminations, and how much time will be lost by them relative to the amount of time gained by skipping those stops? You think that and expect anybody at all to believe you were ever a planner? Absolutely preposterous. |
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