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Posted by 156n3rd on Thu Jul 17 21:01:10 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by MJF on Thu Jul 17 20:57:19 2008. Isn't that nice. It's just not convenient. I saw this story on tv news tonight, when I learned about it for the first time. Then I read the thread and decided to act up. So, I acted up. Then the stalking post nazi turned on his flashlight and found out he was in need of another summons for his weekly quota. The rest they say, is a waste of time. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Thu Jul 17 21:02:03 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by MJF on Thu Jul 17 20:58:03 2008. Chicago Transit Authority......."I.....just wanna be free"...... |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Jul 17 21:04:18 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by 156n3rd on Thu Jul 17 21:02:03 2008. Great album. I think I still have it in vinyl.That's a 33 1/3 LP. It's played on a turntable, not scratched by a DJ, for all you young'uns out there. :-) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 17 21:04:26 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by WillD on Thu Jul 17 20:50:59 2008. No. It's realistically not possible for the non-abled to transfer to central Tokyo trains during morning rush. You need a one seat ride. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Thu Jul 17 21:07:02 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by MJF on Thu Jul 17 21:04:18 2008. Yeah, now we're talkin'. Vinyl and all those high quality productions of rock n' roll. The old days. Warmth and depth in recording. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Jul 17 21:07:52 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 17 21:04:26 2008. Yes, but in Chicago an elderly or otherwise disabled passenger would be able to get on one of the cars before or after the seatless cars for a ride into the city. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 17 21:12:39 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by 156n3rd on Thu Jul 17 20:49:42 2008. I'm not aware of the size of that system.Be my guest. Click on the thumbnail.  Fukutoshin line (Line 13), Nippori-Toneri Liner and Yokohama's Green line Subway under construction on this map all opened this Spring. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 17 21:20:27 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by WillD on Thu Jul 17 21:07:52 2008. I don't know if 156n3rd meant Tokyo or Chicago. I assumed Tokyo since he said "I'm not aware of the size of that system". Wouldn't he already know the size of CTA? |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Thu Jul 17 21:21:57 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 17 21:12:39 2008. HOLY SHIT!!! THAT's ONE BIG MF!!!! |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Thu Jul 17 21:26:34 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 17 20:52:48 2008. I'll testify to you...I think you proved your point, and did it quite well may I add. The only counter to this would be a post listing the comparable speeds in and around NYC. Other than that, case closed. Verdict to the defendant.David Harrison |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Jul 17 21:29:06 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 17 21:20:27 2008. Wow, looking back on this particular subthread I have no idea as to whether Tokyo or Chicago was being refered to. I guess we'll have to leave it up to him to clarify which city he was refering to. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Thu Jul 17 21:30:52 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by WillD on Thu Jul 17 19:46:57 2008. Excuse me...but where did you get this little bit of misinformation?Chicago is stuck with 6 car, 288 foot long trains regardless of how many train cars they purchase. The Blue, Red, Brown, Orange, all run eight car trains. The seatless cars would run, if approved, first on the Brown, then the Red and Blue. David Harrison |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 17 21:34:53 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 17 20:16:58 2008. I'm merely saying that the Metro is better than any other system in the country and that BART is a close second.Merely your opinion, which is not necessarily shared but those who use them daily. If you stop pretending that it is a fact, you'd make more friends here and the real world (which I already told you that it is a bitch). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 17 22:03:12 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by 156n3rd on Thu Jul 17 20:53:36 2008. Again, I hear you, feel your pain and my ass hurts.pull the banana out of it. or did MJF come over last night? Do not get the idea that someone has to do what you want them to do. Are you French, or just an idiot? Where did I say anything about you having to do anything? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 17 22:04:07 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by 156n3rd on Thu Jul 17 20:54:48 2008. No, you have not moved on. You will just keeping posting stupid replies instead of learning from your mistake. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 17 22:05:28 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 17 20:52:48 2008. He doesn't deserve more info than "false" because he doesn't listen or learn from it. So why waste you time explaining it? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 17 22:06:29 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by 156n3rd on Thu Jul 17 20:57:45 2008. No, they were not a joke. You were serious. You're just saying it was a joke now to save face because you realized how stupid your original comments were. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Jul 17 22:08:01 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Thu Jul 17 21:30:52 2008. Yes, I apologize, that was a brain fart on my part. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Thu Jul 17 22:12:40 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Thu Jul 17 21:30:52 2008. Thanks. Apology accepted. But we're still short of cars and those fancy new AC hi techs won't be here in mass for another two years, plus time to debug.David Harrison |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 17 22:13:49 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by 156n3rd on Thu Jul 17 20:58:37 2008. No, like I said, it's not a concern. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 17 22:14:26 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Jul 17 20:16:58 2008. The one that wasn't around when NYCT's predecessors were already serving people for decades?Irrelevant It is relevant. Comparing NYC's subway to WMATA is comparing apples and oranges, as it has already been pointed out. The one that regularly doesn't run full-length trains? The Orange line runs 8 car trains. The Red Line runs every 2-3 minutes during rush hour. As John has explained, WMATA is not theoretically anywhere near its actual design capacity. The Orange Line runs some 8 car trains during rush hours only (as do the Red and Green Lines). The Red Line has a 2.5 minute headway between Grosvenor and Silver Spring because it doesn't share trackage with any other line. At the peak of the peak, the Orange Line and Green Line have trippers such that the trains are every 2-4 minutes apart instead of every 6. The one that doesn't have an unlimited ride fare option? Incorrect. There is an all day pass. There are some other unlimited ride options, but they aren't used by many and must be used as paper passes, they can't be used with SmarTrip. The One Day Pass, as Terrapin Station pointed out, isn't good from 5 to 9:30 AM on weekdays (except federal holidays). They used to have more and different unlimited passes, but they were discontinued due to low use. The one that doesn't operate 24/7? Because it isn't necessary. Most of the ridership is 9 to 5 workers who work in DC and live in Montgomery County or Virginia. On Fridays and Saturdays it runs until 3 AM. I'm sure the riders who come in from PG County, especially the crowded Branch Avenue side of the Green Line, will appreciate your comment. So will all the 10 hour federal workers who don't work 9 to 5. Or the people who use Metro to get to Verizon Center, RFK Stadium, Nationals Park, Strathmore Hall, and other late night destinations. And the people who work on weekends and have lobbied for the system to open earlier on Saturdays and Sundays. I could go on, but I won't. At least if you are going to use the 3 AM opening for any type of argument, point out that ridership drops off after 2 AM to the point where the last hour of service is funded entirely by the DC government (MD and VA don't chip in) and riders are charged rush hour fares for the last hour to help recover the costs. WMATA has good points and bad points just like every other system I never said the WMATA was flawless. It isn't. I'm merely saying that the Metro is better than any other system in the country and that BART is a close second. I wouldn't know that from reading your posts. Your ranking of WMATA and BART remains subjective. End of disucssion. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 17 22:19:02 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 17 21:34:53 2008. excellent post |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 17 22:24:06 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 17 22:05:28 2008. It's really up to me to decide. Okay? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 17 22:25:32 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 17 22:24:06 2008. Yes, I know that. Just giving my reasoning. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Fri Jul 18 00:31:17 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 17 21:34:53 2008. Conversely, imagine if you were me. Getting on a 45 year old train with no AC. At the first stop you have to stand. Every time the train enters the station the brakes screech. By the time the train reaches its 4th stop it's crush loaded. In the middle of the express run the train starts crawling. Meanwhile, a scruffy looking panhandler begs for change. Now, imagine a system 225 miles away that is infinitely better. The trains are controlled by computers, the stations are clean, and trains travel 65 miles per hour. However, people who use that system complain about every little delay while you wish your system was half as good as that system. That's how I feel. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 18 00:36:29 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Forest Glen on Fri Jul 18 00:31:17 2008. Well how you feel does not describe either system in it's entirety, or on average. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jul 18 00:40:30 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jul 17 00:33:48 2008. I rode it once, nothing special at all. The only good part was that it was free the day i rode it. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jul 18 00:46:02 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 17 18:23:20 2008. I don't understand his problem about the "screeching breaks" most trains have about the same if not louder sounds. Why he singles out the R32's over say the slants, i can't understand? Maybe he thinks he's entitled to 'new trains' for his own line? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 18 00:50:40 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jul 18 00:46:02 2008. I don't understand his problem about the "screeching breaks" most trains have about the same if not louder soundsWhen I think of screeching brakes, the R-32 class is the one that comes to mind first, for me... Why he singles out the R32's over say the slants, i can't understand? My guess is because he rides the R-32s more often than the slants. Maybe he thinks he's entitled to 'new trains' for his own line? The problem is that he thinks and forms his opinions based on faulty or incomplete or irrelevant information. And then he promotes them as if they are fact. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jul 18 00:50:55 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 17 22:14:26 2008. Well said, obviously if NYCT had the luxury to shut down the system for at least 4-5hrs a day for 365 days a week, not only would the stations get the cleaning they need, but the trains would get the rest for a few hours and some repairs or basic cleaning [not to mention make it an inconvenience for the bums to make a home out of the trains plus a chance to kick them out of the system for at least a few hours]. But of course that's never going to happen... |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jul 18 00:54:30 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Forest Glen on Fri Jul 18 00:31:17 2008. Even if the E ran the R160's it's still going to be the same thing:bums making a home in the cars, crush loaded conditions, express trains waiting a 'few feet' from the lead train... The local which is less crowded and runs at a more consistant pace [stop and go rather than a snail's pace] will still get you to the next express stop [maybe a few min later 6-10min tops] and you won't have to deal with the cattle car like conditions on the E. No one forces you to stay on the E. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jul 18 01:10:44 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Sand Box John on Thu Jul 17 09:41:04 2008. Fixthttp://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=651308 |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 18 01:36:39 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Jul 17 14:43:54 2008. The dynamite thing is rather funny. ;> |
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Posted by Ken S. on Fri Jul 18 01:38:12 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Jul 17 14:49:11 2008. Will you kindly shut up already. Be glad I or a few others don't run this board. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 18 01:39:32 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Jul 17 14:43:54 2008. He is a venecianA what? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Jul 18 02:06:32 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Forest Glen on Fri Jul 18 00:31:17 2008. Conversely, imagine if you were me.I will present my bias ahead of time. I have yet to ride WMATA, but I've been on BART and MARTA which are systems of somewhat similar vintage, but with lower riders. I am a former E train commuter, and my brother is a current E train commuter. Getting on a 45 year old train with no AC Oddly, the cars that you're complaining about, IMHO, have the best air conditioning in the subway system. Every time the train enters the station the brakes screech The brakes on the R-160 screech when entering a station too. At the first stop you have to stand. That's simply a consequence of high ridership and NYCTA's decision to emphasize standing room over seating room. Given that NYCTA moves four times as many passengers per mile than WMATA (34K versus 8K), heavy crowding is going to be an issue. In the case of the E, it's due to the fact that it's terminal serves as the endpoint of a heavily used bus system in Southeastern Queens. The same is true for the F at 179th Street, and they're blessed with slightly more seats. The trains are controlled by computers I hope you're not in the pool of posters bashing NYCTA for implementing CBTC on the L or the 7... the stations are clean WMATA's stations are clean due to it's strict policy of prohibiting eating and drinking. NYCTA could probably do the same, but I'd imagine much of the ridership would balk at such rules. and trains travel 65 miles per hour. Admittedly, NYCTA isn't going to achieve 65 mph anytime soon regardless if WMATA's ATO system was imported or CBTC is overlaid over our system. Station spacing prohibits such speeds on local stretches, and as determined by NYCTA's emphasis on timers, NYCTA simply isn't willing to trust its operators at such speeds. Mind you, NYCTA isn't alone, as NJT is spending large sums of capital dollars to impose a speed control system over its network to enforce train speeds. BTW, from the NTSB report for the 1996 Shady Grove Accident... Adherence to Regulated Speed,” made reference to 59 mph as the maximum authorized speed and directed train operators to notify the OCC should their regulated (ATS) speed ever exceed 59 mph. While this document was the only one that Per the report, running over the de facto MAS of 59mph essentially indicates an issue that needs to reported to central command and running at that speed requires their authorization. This certainly throws some doubt into your claims of WMATA being a 65mph urban railway. Yes, NYCTA may not be the best system in the world, and there's much to complain about, but WMATA isn't magically twice as good as NYCTA. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 18 05:22:49 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 17 16:15:33 2008. LOL!!! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 18 09:14:34 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Thu Jul 17 17:33:53 2008. Paratransit in the city is operated by PACE, not by the CTA.I know it's operated by Pace. I could be mistaken, but I thought CTA had to contribute to the operating costs of paratransit within the City. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Jul 18 10:02:02 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 18 01:39:32 2008. He can't spell "Venetian." |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Jul 18 10:07:41 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 18 09:14:34 2008. LOL...It's all for naught now...the gov just slashed $37 million from this year's transit budget in a financial impass with the state legislature so no more free senior rides, budget cutbacks in transit are back on the drawing board, although no "Doomsdays" have been given. I'll try to ascertain the paratransit funding.David Harrison |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Fri Jul 18 10:18:45 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Jul 18 01:10:44 2008. Fixt http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=651308 My bad. Thanks. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jul 18 10:19:27 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Forest Glen on Fri Jul 18 00:31:17 2008. There goes your problem. You don't listen and just talk crap. Even K-car sometimes listens and tries to understand even if he often fails to do so.Conversely, imagine if you were me. I'd rather not. lol. You don't even know what's crush loaded. I commuted in Tokyo in the seventies when trains were more crowded than the 1991 YouTube video and air-conditioned trains were still rare. Good thing I live in Downtown Manhattan now. Should you move to DC, you'd be complaining as much as you do now once it's part of your everyday life. You said you don't mind paying for quality. Then ride the LIRR. If you're going to complain about something, try to make sense. Back it up with facts, not personal views. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jul 18 10:21:19 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Thu Jul 17 21:21:57 2008. Yep. You'd better plan your railfanning ahead or you'd be there for months. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jul 18 10:26:56 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 17 22:03:12 2008. Hey! Leave the French alone! :p |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Fri Jul 18 10:49:18 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Forest Glen on Fri Jul 18 00:31:17 2008. Every time the train enters the station the brakes screech.Obviously you haven't used metrorail during the entire 32 year history of its operation. Back in the early 1980s the brakes on metrorail were louder then the brakes on a freight train. The cause of the screeching brakes had to do with the composition of the materials used in the brake pads WMATA procured to replace the brake pads that had asbestos in them. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jul 18 11:01:02 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by 156n3rd on Thu Jul 17 21:07:02 2008. Warth and depth...all in the individual perception. In a blind test, I doubt you could tell the difference. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 18 11:11:16 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri Jul 18 10:07:41 2008. ...the gov just slashed $37 million from this year's transit budget in a financial impass with the state legislature so no more free senior rides, budget cutbacks in transit are back on the drawing board, although no "Doomsdays" have been given.Hoo boy, Springfield's gonna burn. Did this just happen? Top story in the Trib is about Brett Favre becoming a Bear - waaay more important than the state budget! |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jul 18 11:15:43 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jul 18 10:21:19 2008. I don't think that's the subways, that looks like a regional rail map. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Jul 18 12:02:53 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Jul 16 22:48:21 2008. You only pay for a ride not a seat. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jul 18 13:20:19 2008, in response to Re: ''You Can't Sit Down'': CTA, posted by Forest Glen on Fri Jul 18 00:31:17 2008. As AEM7AC 901 posted, WMATA trains generally don't operate at speeds in excess of 59 MPH. When they do, it is almost always in manual operation and there are only a few places where such speeds are attainable. Most of the time, if a train does reach 75 MPH, it can't stay at that speed for very long because it reaches the next station pretty quickly. But I don't think any argument will convince you that your methods of judging the systems are purely subjective and you have practically no factual evidence to back them up. |
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