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Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 12:45:19 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 22 12:30:23 2008. Yep ... and fact is, if you CLEAR it ahead of time, you can STILL get a cab ride ... did a CPRail trip with a buddy just three weeks ago between here and Mechanicville, and when he was done the taxi to take him back here took all three of us back here after he went dead on hours.It's ALL about "being known" as "non-toxic." :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 22 12:47:27 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:25:48 2008. Even in the early 90's, there were signs saying you "can't take photos" at Newark Penn. I did often back then, but no one ever bothered you. Ihave no idea what it's like now, as I haven't done it in years.As for NY Penn, even in the early and mid 90s they would tell you you can't take photos or be on the platforms unless you have a ticket. I understand what you are saying, all I am saying though is that this is nothing new. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 12:50:54 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 22 12:37:15 2008. For a second, look at it from MTA's perspective ... if ANY asshole can go onto an unattended platform, they could also plant a BOMB before they go clicky-clicky ... as I've OFTEN said, admittance to "restricted areas" is usually a simple matter of letting them know AHEAD of time what you want, and if it doesn't distract observers from OTHER duties, and you don't mind an escort, someone will make SURE you don't plant a bomb while you snap away ... done it ALL the time and gotten some real treats over the years ... it's when you SURPRISE them by going out there without warning, and then do something stupid that bad things happen.--- REQUIRED SUBCHAT DISCLAIMER: I could be wrong. Your mileage may vary, slippery when wet, opinions expressed herein are not necessarily the accepted opinions of the Twerp which may or may not constitute an unwarranted personal attack, void where prohibited in sectors R and N ... gravity sold separately. Opinions of the poster are provided on an "as-is basis" and any reproduction of these thoughts are prohibited without the express written consent of Major League Baseball and the makers of Ritalin. Denial of permission to enter the NYC subway system could result as a side-effect of this conversation, be governed accordingly. In the event of argument or flatulence, please consult your physician. That is all. :) |
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Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Feb 22 12:52:12 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 10:03:39 2008. which one is terrorpain supposed to be? |
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Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:53:36 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 11:38:05 2008. nope |
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Re: WD signals/ NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:57:18 2008, in response to Re: WD signals/ NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP?, posted by R30A on Fri Feb 22 12:32:08 2008. technically that would have to be decided on a case by case basis by the judge at the summons hearing, right? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:59:17 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 22 12:37:15 2008. the open question is whether or not a photographer can take a picture if he is in the process of boarding or leaving a train, thereby placing him on the platform legally.That question is not open. The memo from the police chief supersedes the MNCR email response. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 12:59:23 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:37:58 2008. I'm guessing that "Stupid" is your A.D.D. "word of the day?" No, don't need any "serious" out of you there ... I'm enjoying doing MY part to send this thread to the reef actually ... I'm just waiting until the code is done, will post a PICTURE OF YOU and GUARANTEE that this entire thread gets reefed as you have your hissy-fit.And YES, entertaining as hell to MANY ... why? Because I called you a PUSSY and you have NOT gone out there, snapped TRACK pictures of Grand Central and POSTED them from the "closed platforms are my GOD given right to photograph. So where's the pics, PUSSY? :) Oh ... and SPEAKING of pussy ... you ILLEGALLY posted my COPYRIGHTED disclaimer and you have FAILED to provide a legal mailing address to which to submit the legal complaint. NOW you're dicking with something even WORSE than Homeland Security ... you're dicking with COPYRIGHT! So where do I send the complaint? Or should I ask the Bronx County Sheriff to find you? YOUR choice, maggot ... --- REQUIRED SUBCHAT DISCLAIMER: I could be wrong. Your mileage may vary, slippery when wet, opinions expressed herein are not necessarily the accepted opinions of the Twerp which may or may not constitute an unwarranted personal attack, void where prohibited in sectors R and N ... gravity sold separately. Opinions of the poster are provided on an "as-is basis" and any reproduction of these thoughts are prohibited without the express written consent of Major League Baseball and the makers of Ritalin. Denial of permission to enter the NYC subway system could result as a side-effect of this conversation, be governed accordingly. In the event of argument or flatulence, please consult your physician. That is all. :) |
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Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 13:02:09 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 12:38:30 2008. I'd ask when you and Nilet were, but you're probably not allowed on MNCR either, unless Amtrak's empire service isn't running and you can manage the gapped portion of the trip some other way. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 13:04:38 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 22 12:47:27 2008. Even in the early 90's, there were signs saying you "can't take photos" at Newark Penn.Not that you're wrong, but I've never heard that one before! What did they signs say? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 13:04:53 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 22 12:47:27 2008. Even in the early 90's, there were signs saying you "can't take photos" at Newark Penn.Not that you're wrong, but I've never heard that one before! What did the signs say? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 13:09:20 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 12:59:23 2008. Why would you purposely reef a thread that has good discussion? Oh, right, you're stupid.And YES, entertaining as hell to MANY ... why? Because I called you a PUSSY and you have NOT gone out there, snapped TRACK pictures of Grand Central and POSTED them from the "closed platforms are my GOD given right to photograph. Whoa, the stupidity meter on you just went off the charts! |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Feb 22 13:18:58 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 13:09:20 2008. hey kev did you see his response to being an asshole. Did it read to you as "no, but you are stupid" was inferred to the second part of the posting as "no" in agreement of it not being an unwarrented attack, then taking revenge on being called an asshole in the first place? Any normal person would have challenged it thoughly. Looks like we are dealing with a stupid asshole now |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 13:23:07 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 22 12:18:49 2008. Yup:
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Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 13:24:30 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 12:10:39 2008. But it also taught me a LOT about elevator safety. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 22 13:24:46 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 22 12:18:49 2008. That P42 107 still has that face number like that.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 13:27:06 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:25:48 2008. You have a point, but those are the rules. Normally I don't take pictures in areas where I'm not waiting for a train. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Fri Feb 22 13:27:09 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 22 13:24:46 2008. How 'bout that dent.... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 13:28:42 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by kp5308 on Fri Feb 22 13:27:09 2008. I think it adds character. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 13:29:08 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 13:27:06 2008. Well, those are the supposed signs. They may not be actual "rules". In other words, if you violate the sign, maybe they can ask you to leave. And if you don't leave, then they can charge you with trespassing. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 22 13:29:50 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by kp5308 on Fri Feb 22 13:27:09 2008. That too, I think it and the number are a gift set.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 22 13:33:19 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 12:50:54 2008. I agree, which is why I do not advocate photography from restricted areas. I do advocate photography from those areas where one is legally permitted to be at a given point in time.The offense in question is then "trespassing" rather than "unauthorized photography". The dispute with the MTA is whether or not people who otherwise are in a location legally can take pictures of anything they see from that location. My argument at that point is that they should be. The MTA officially seems to be making trespassing the issue, while it's employees and police on the ground are making it a photography issue. Based upon the information available here the employees who first encountered Nilet did not tell him that he needed to leave a restricted area - they told him that he could not take pictures - the implication being that he could stay and look at the train. There really needs to be clarification or there will be more and more incidents like this. |
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Re: NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 22 13:33:32 2008, in response to Re: NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP?, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 13:06:49 2008. Photo Flashes are directed and focused at the train in question.A Track Flash is not directed, is not focused at the train, and is off-view to the T/O in question in most instances. They do not occur directly in front of an operator trying to stop his train in the station. ROAR |
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Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 13:38:28 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 13:24:30 2008. Heh. Funny story ... growing up int eh city and all, got trapped in more than enough Otis', Millars, and Westinghouses. Learned to observe what a mechanic did inside the panel, where the "override" switches were, as well as the mechanics of "door release" and "sensors" ...When I worked in Smallbany for the state (Otis, but Millar maintenance) elevators would often break down, and I HAD the equivalent of a church key on my chain (arnine key) and when the elevators died, could open the doors and kick them into "computer bypass/manual/fire key" mode and get the dead elevator to a floor and open the door when I was on it so folks could at least get off. When I worked for the NYS Commission on Cable TV as well as Department of Public Service in another building, became known as "Patron saint of the elevator." People who would otherwise take the stairs would BOARD a car as long as I was in it. Heh. NOBODY went down the shaft with ME in the car. =) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 22 13:40:40 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:53:36 2008. No wonder you say you never attack anyone personally. Because according to you, if someone deserves it (in your opinion) it is not an attack. It's only an attack when it's done to you. If everyone used your definition, then you would be the only person making the "personal attacks." |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 13:42:30 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 22 13:40:40 2008. That's not true at all. He made an unwarranted personal attack against me. I responded. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 22 13:45:05 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 10:03:39 2008. Photographed at a Tyson chicken plant.Why did the chicken cross the road? To get to the chicken plant... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 22 13:47:41 2008, in response to Re: NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP?, posted by R30A on Thu Feb 21 13:31:25 2008. Wrong. If Wheel Detectors were a hazard they'd have to remove all signals from the subway. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 22 13:48:19 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:15:13 2008. As I said before, the police did escalate it by demanding the camcorder be turned off, but Nilet escalated it further by not complying, even though they had no right to ask that it be turned off. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 13:54:54 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 22 13:48:19 2008. but Nilet escalated it further by not complying, even though they had no right to ask that it be turned off.Where did he not comply? He wrote that he asked what would happen if it he didn't turn it off (which is a valid question, because as you note, they had no right to ask him to turn it off). There's nothing wrong with simply asking a question. That should not escalate anything, unless the officer is not being professional. Thus the officer's unprofessionalism in responding to a question is what further escalated it, IMO. When I once asked a policeman what would happen if I continued taking photos, he did not grab my camera. He simply told me his answer. |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Fri Feb 22 14:16:24 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 10:48:19 2008. MOO to that! Great post Unca Selkirk! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 14:23:28 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Feb 22 13:18:58 2008. World has gotten chopped up and lost in order to satisfy the REAL owner of the board. No point in arguing ... if you SEE a photog, call them in is apparently the outcome. :(This place is *really* giving me the willies lately. :( |
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Posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 15:14:29 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 13:29:08 2008. Again, I haven't done enough research into this to say anything definitive, but in theory they can post signs all they want. And those signs could say whatever. But unless there is some underlying, valid statute that allows them to prohibit photography in that area, your First Amendment rights should trump whatever policy they think they can enforce. In other words, just because they put up a sign doesn't mean that they can constitutionally enforce it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 15:22:04 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 15:14:29 2008. The signs are about access, not photography. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 22 15:38:56 2008, in response to Re: NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP?, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 22 13:47:41 2008. remove all signals from the subwayBring back flagmen and steam engines ;-) |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Fri Feb 22 15:40:48 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 11:58:41 2008. Uh, Chris...the "evil" (as you call them) NYCLU is in our corner on this issue. You should be grateful to them, not condemning them.Why do you hate them so much? |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Fri Feb 22 15:43:38 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Feb 22 08:42:16 2008. Amen. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!) |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Fri Feb 22 15:51:50 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 10:26:56 2008. From one proud ACLU member to another:Your voice is welcome here, Tim, and appreciated. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 15:53:41 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Bingham C50 on Fri Feb 22 15:40:48 2008. I believe it's the usual reasons many people of his political persuasion dislike them. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 22 15:53:45 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 09:55:08 2008. I've personally witnessed the conduct of a small number of these "victims" and they're lucky that "harassment" was as far as it went. They're not even willing to "travel in simple pairs" in order to back each other up by providing "witness" on the behalf of one another in the event of one being accosted. :(In part that may be because of the autism or Asperger's aspect: This is, for some, a solitary activity. They cannot cooperate with one another and cannot cooperate with police or communicate appropriately because they are cognitively disabled. I wisjh the police would take that into consideration. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 16:05:32 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Bingham C50 on Fri Feb 22 15:40:48 2008. "L-Word" ... sho'nuff :( |
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Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 22 16:21:20 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 11:56:37 2008. That show was so unrealistic, like lawyers work in big skyscrapers and have secretaries. Some of those characters even wore belts. That's Hollywood for ya. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 22 16:30:27 2008, in response to Re: FOAMER LIMITATIONS, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 22 15:53:45 2008. There's someone on this board who has trouble cooperating and communicating appropriately with others. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 22 16:34:00 2008, in response to Re: FOAMER LIMITATIONS, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 22 16:30:27 2008. More than one. We'll start with you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 22 16:41:14 2008, in response to Re: FOAMER LIMITATIONS, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 22 16:34:00 2008. Start what with me? Trying to improve your communications skills? Good for you! Admitting that you have a problem is the first step towards solving it. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 16:49:41 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 22 13:40:40 2008. tpain pwned hahahaha |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 16:49:58 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 13:42:30 2008. nope |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 16:57:41 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 16:05:32 2008. He's a lesbian? |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 17:00:38 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 15:14:29 2008. First amendment rights can be limited when someone is an invitee or licensee. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 17:03:54 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 16:57:41 2008. Yes, the truth is out Chrissy is a Republican lesbian, Oh, the humanity! |
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