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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Sep 8 09:55:11 2021, in response to OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 07:40:24 2021.



Willam: I am glad to see that they kept the historically correct track numbers.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Mr RT on Wed Sep 8 10:10:10 2021, in response to NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 15:46:49 2021.

What happened to entrance on the east side of the shuttle at track 4

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Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by murray1575 on Wed Sep 8 10:25:11 2021, in response to Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 8 09:43:08 2021.

You are correct. Track 4 connects to the 7th Ave. line and track 1 to the Lexington Ave. local track south of Grand Central. Changing out a train set is a pain in the butt and involves staging the new one just before the turnout and performing a reverse move against traffic to get it on to the line after the old one exits. The old track 3 connected to track 1 via a crossover but that has been permanently removed and the track way used for the passageway connecting to the B/D/F/7 station at 42nd-Bryant Park.

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Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Bulk88 on Wed Sep 8 10:53:35 2021, in response to 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Mon Sep 6 21:06:36 2021.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_America_Tower_(Manhattan)

I guess the secret hallway on the north side of 42nd Street under the sidewalk will never be used. You can see its stub in the North Fare collection area at 42/6.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Sep 8 10:56:56 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 8 09:50:01 2021.

All the details here...

42 St Connection Project: Transforming the 42 St Shuttle

-William A. Padron
["SS"]


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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Sep 8 11:18:13 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Mr RT on Wed Sep 8 10:10:10 2021.

Hidden from view for the time being at Times Square, and there is now a big wall, plus some scaffolding, separating Track 4 and what was Track 3, now part of an enlarged platform.

-William A. Padron
["TSQ"]


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Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by zac on Wed Sep 8 13:35:41 2021, in response to Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by murray1575 on Wed Sep 8 10:25:11 2021.

And it is no different in terms of being a PITA than it ever was. At least though in the past if one train was OOS the other 2 could operate. Now you are left with just one.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 8 14:29:07 2021, in response to NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 15:46:49 2021.

First thank you so much for providing this video. Now that the shuttle is now 6 cars, does that mean it is no longer OPTO? Since the maximum length a subway train can be for OPTO is 4 cars. Also when the video was taken, is that the typical ridership at the time it was recorded, or is ridership still that far down?

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 8 14:33:31 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 8 14:29:07 2021.

It never was OPTO. For many years the two crew members have alternated between operating the train and operating the doors.



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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by gbs on Wed Sep 8 14:57:12 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 7 17:42:25 2021.


I don't see how you can start on the east side of 5th Av and walk underground to 8th Av. The entrance to the #7 station is on the west side, next to the library. Once you enter there you can indeed walk underground to 8th Av.

If you enter the subway on 42nd St east of 5th Av, you'll be in the Grand Central shuttle station, and you can take the train to Times Square, but you can't walk underground to there.

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Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Sep 8 15:22:17 2021, in response to Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by zac on Wed Sep 8 13:35:41 2021.

I never got why they couldnít build a connection between the two remaining tracks as part of this reconstruction.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Ble-nimx on Wed Sep 8 15:44:36 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 8 14:29:07 2021.

At the 1321 mark you can hear brakes releasing AND doors closing simultaneously, while the train arriving on track 1 prior the doors opened immediately. I'd speculate on what I've seen here there is a proper conductor at the 3 x 3 position

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 8 15:48:34 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by AlM on Wed Sep 8 14:33:31 2021.

I thought there were 3? 2 motormen, and 1 conductor.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 8 15:51:19 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by AlM on Wed Sep 8 14:33:31 2021.

Per nycsubway.org, the Times Square Grand Central shuttle is considered OPTO.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by murray1575 on Wed Sep 8 18:05:07 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 7 15:25:45 2021.

It turns out that the two six car sets are linked. It's anyone's guess as to what will be done when one of them has to go out of service for maintenance as there are no other six car linked sets in existence since the R62A's on the 1 and 6 are all now five car sets. I suppose that they could take a five car link and couple one single car to it.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 8 18:23:29 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 8 15:51:19 2021.

And it is OPTO in the Train Operator pick book.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 8 18:28:43 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Ble-nimx on Wed Sep 8 15:44:36 2021.

There is no c/r.

The door operating car is kept in the same place.

One t/o is only operating the train, And the other is operating both the Train and the doors.

That duty would be shared so each t/o job would alternate at various times of the day in doing both jobs and one job.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 8 18:34:40 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 8 15:51:19 2021.

IRT 42nd Street Shuttle - R-62A (all times; train operator at each end)

Ridiculous semantics.

One operator for eastbound and a different operator for westbound. If everyone wants to call that OPTO, feel free.

But then what's your actual question? Are you asking if there will need to be a third crew member?





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Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 8 18:35:09 2021, in response to Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Italianstallion on Wed Sep 8 15:22:17 2021.

Me neither, there's room for a crossover just west of GC.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 8 18:35:46 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 8 18:28:43 2021.

So maybe then there is a legit question here. Will a third person be needed now that the trains are 6 cars long?



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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 8 18:37:19 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by gbs on Wed Sep 8 14:57:12 2021.

Sorry, I'm remembering wrong. I thought there was a #7 entrance east of 5th.



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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 8 18:40:55 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by murray1575 on Wed Sep 8 18:05:07 2021.

Thanks.

I'm sure there is a gap train or 2 in Livonia Yard to swap out on the midnight if necessary. I'm guessing a fleet of 24 cars assigned to the shuttle. 4 trains of 6 linked cars.

Yes, if 1 of the trains on the road goes bad during the day and can't be repaired w/o going to the yard, they have a problem. Especially 4 track.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by zac on Wed Sep 8 18:43:08 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by murray1575 on Wed Sep 8 18:05:07 2021.

Maybe there is a spare set that was made up for this. They've had 2 years to think this through. IINM, the Franklin Shuttle has 4 2-car sets. 2 are in operation, 1 is ready at Prospect Park and the 4th is at Coney Island. I'm sure there is a spare set at the ready somewhere. And if push came to shove, they could always just put a 5 car set on the line.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 8 18:44:57 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by AlM on Wed Sep 8 18:35:46 2021.

No. For the last 60+ years one side of all #7 trains is 6 cars long.

The c/r on a #7 train operates 6x5.

An OPTO t/o on the shuttle also has one 6 car zone.

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VINTAGE PHOTOS: R-12's At GCT (Shuttle), 5/7/1966.

Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Sep 8 18:45:57 2021, in response to 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Mon Sep 6 21:06:36 2021.

Two years after the automated train fire in 1964 at the Grand Central shuttle station, two vintage images of R-12/14's as seen on Track 4. Track 3 is visible in the foreground.

R-12/14's, Grand Central, IRT Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle, Route: S ["Shuttle"]; May 7, 1966; Collection of David Pirmann.



-William A. Padron
["I R T Division"]


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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 8 19:04:28 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 8 18:44:57 2021.

Of course, thanks.



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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by CHicagomotorman on Wed Sep 8 20:01:09 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 8 18:28:43 2021.

What's is TWU 100s position?

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by CHicagomotorman on Wed Sep 8 20:01:12 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 8 18:28:43 2021.

What's is TWU 100s position?

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Sep 8 20:02:25 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 8 09:39:30 2021.

And also, you can walk from the TSQ platform, along the former Track 3 corridor, and go downstairs to the IND platform level.

Then, you can go upstairs to the IND mezzanine but able to walk south to the exit, pass the fare control, at 40th Street on 6th Avenue, and a little further down to the 39th Street exit on the west side of the block.

Now imagine if that long closed corridor between 40th Street and 35th Street, with an exit at 38th Street was still in use (now the site of the 34th Street-6th Avenue master tower I believe). That's all in hindsight though.

-William A. Padron
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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 8 20:07:51 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Sep 8 20:02:25 2021.

So for the price of a fare you can walk underground from 39th and 6th or 42nd and 5th to 44th and 8th. Not bad.



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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 8 20:29:03 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by CHicagomotorman on Wed Sep 8 20:01:09 2021.

I have heard they want to file a grievance.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by CHicagomotorman on Wed Sep 8 20:39:38 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 8 20:29:03 2021.

Good.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by CHicagomotorman on Wed Sep 8 20:39:40 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 8 20:29:03 2021.

Good.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Sep 8 21:12:17 2021, in response to NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 15:46:49 2021.

Excellent video, thank you very much for posting!!

While the changes are very nice and very useful, Iím very sad at the antiseptic feel of the Times Square end. The old station was teeming with cues of the 1904 original station, from the ghostly Track 4 platform, to the ancient Knickerbocker door, to the sharp curve requiring gap fillers, to the open west end of the station that gave you a clear view of the original track configuration from nearly 120 years ago. Those are all gone now, replaced by acres of endless tiles. Itís very functional and very useful but also soulless and cold.

The original 28 IRT stations were designed to be works of art. Obviously nothing lasts forever but I would have liked to see some cues honoring the stationís storied past.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Ble-nimx on Thu Sep 9 07:44:40 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 8 09:44:41 2021.

Is the old track 3 and its hand switches still there for gap storage or are they assigned 12 cars with no spares?

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Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 9 08:13:39 2021, in response to Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by murray1575 on Wed Sep 8 10:25:11 2021.

Was there any ability to put crossovers in to access track 4 without pillars in the way ? There must be a good reason why they didn't do it.

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42nd Street passageways

Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 9 08:47:10 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by qveensboro_plaza on Tue Sep 7 17:51:09 2021.

Especially given there now is actually an entrance to the GC portion of the Shuttle on 42nd west of Madison towards 5th Avenue, so it would not even be one avenue block.

Then you could transfer to all three 42nd Street stops on the (7) within fare control as well as any other subway line on 42nd and walk from 3rd Avenue and 42nd to 8th Avenue and 40th or 44th within fare control and continue through Port Authority to 9th Avenue and 40th.

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Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by The Silence on Thu Sep 9 09:36:00 2021, in response to Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by zac on Wed Sep 8 13:35:41 2021.

except that one now has double the capacity it used to have.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 9 10:11:58 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 8 09:44:41 2021.

6 cars will be really helpful for when one of the trains is out of service during rush hour, maybe.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by murray1575 on Thu Sep 9 10:15:10 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Ble-nimx on Thu Sep 9 07:44:40 2021.

The old track 3 has been completely removed. The track way between Times Square and 6th Ave has been reused for the connecting passageway providing the free transfer to the B/D/F/7 lines.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by subfan on Thu Sep 9 11:04:45 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by murray1575 on Thu Sep 9 10:15:10 2021.

The video of the new passageway shows it as pretty narrow for most of its length - is there some reason they didn't also use the old Track 2 trackway for this? It's not like it was being used for trains...

subfan

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by zac on Thu Sep 9 14:14:49 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by AlM on Thu Sep 9 10:11:58 2021.

If a train is OOS during rush hours, at least in normal times, it would overcrowd the one in service because of the wait time.

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Re: VINTAGE PHOTOS: R-12's At GCT (Shuttle), 5/7/1966.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 9 14:18:22 2021, in response to VINTAGE PHOTOS: R-12's At GCT (Shuttle), 5/7/1966., posted by William A. Padron on Wed Sep 8 18:45:57 2021.

No fluorescent lighting yet, I see.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 9 14:23:23 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Mitch45 on Wed Sep 8 21:12:17 2021.

They said the same thing when the main building on Ellis Island was renovated and made a museum. It was felt it had been, "sanitized."

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I took a look today

Posted by zac on Thu Sep 9 14:30:42 2021, in response to 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Mon Sep 6 21:06:36 2021.

I had to be on the UES today and decided to take a look on the way home. At 63rd/Lex I took the F to 42nd.

First off, the new passageway with the murals is really nice, with the video of the dancers that the murals replicate. I hadn't seen the video mentioned anywhere but there are 8 (I think) monitors all tied together.

The passageway itself isn't as long as I thought it would be. I commented above somewhere that I wouldn't want to go through there at night but it really wasn't so bad. It is squarely within the trackway with the original pillars.

Thirdly, I think this redesign is brilliant. Without having to build new tunnels or do any major construction they've managed to make this much easier to use at Times Square. And they kept as much of the original elements as they could. The old track 4 platform is still walled off but maybe they are keeping that as well for whatever. The original tunnel walls are tiled over in the old style tiles. Possibly the hardest construction is the stairway to the 6th Ave lines where they broke through.

As for the trains, track 4 was running a 6 car draw-bar coupled train with wide cabs at both ends. I didn't wait for track 1.

And then there was this, an official MTA Vignelli map!

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Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by heypaul on Thu Sep 9 15:17:16 2021, in response to 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Mon Sep 6 21:06:36 2021.

If COVID didn't exist, I wonder if they would have used the low V's on reopening day?

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Sep 9 16:10:13 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 9 14:23:23 2021.

There must have been a better way.

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Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 9 16:12:16 2021, in response to Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by murray1575 on Wed Sep 8 10:25:11 2021.

As I recall. thr original plans for eliminating one of the shuttle tks was to eliminate tk 4 entirely and used only tks 1 and 3. With the switch connecting tk 1 to 3, both shuttle trains would utilize tk 1 to get to the Lex Line and the connection to the Bway Line eliminated entirely. It was also intended to operate 5 car trains as the total number of cars in shuttle service would be the same as it was with 3 tks in service. The current setup is probably a better idea and with the reconfiguration of theT/Sq end, the movable bridge over tk 4 is no longer necessary simplifying the train swapping operation.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 9 16:15:15 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 8 15:48:34 2021.

Before the implementation of the pseudo ďOPTOĒ operation, it was 1 T/O and 1 C/R except in rush hours when a second T/O on each train was assigned.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 9 16:17:55 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 8 18:23:29 2021.

Thatís because despite the assignment of 2 T/Os to the shuttle, both must be OPTO qualified. It wouldnít surprise me if all T/Os are nw being OPTO qualified in the event that those on the extra list and V/R are assigned there.

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