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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 5 09:10:13 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 5 08:50:37 2010.

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When I use the word "commuter" I am refering to the average working Joe who goes from eastern LI toward the city M-F with his monthly commutation ticket and who goes the other way in the PM rush. This is the majority of LIRR ridership, the frequent riders. Very few of these are going to/from east of Speonk (and east of Ronkonkoma for that matter).

A person spending a weekend or a few days in a far eastern destination (for my purposes east of Speonk) is not the everyday rider (commuter) I am refering to, rather is a casual rider.

People who spend a summer weekend/holiday out there is a discretionary rider, not a commuter.

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BigBusDriver makes yet another antisemitic post

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:12:19 2010, in response to Re: BigBusDriver makes another antisemitic post, posted by BigBusDriver on Sun Sep 5 09:09:17 2010.

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Re: BigBusDriver makes another antisemitic post (975505)

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Re: BigBusDriver makes another antisemitic post

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 5 09:16:04 2010, in response to BigBusDriver makes another antisemitic post, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:06:25 2010.

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http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=975496

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Re: BigBusDriver makes yet another antisemitic post

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 5 09:16:22 2010, in response to BigBusDriver makes yet another antisemitic post, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:12:19 2010.

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Re: CT-Subbuff makes idle threats after his nonsensical response to a disgustingly antisemitic post

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 5 09:16:59 2010, in response to CT-Subbuff makes idle threats after his nonsensical response to a disgustingly antisemitic post, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 08:57:08 2010.

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http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=975496

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:19:02 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 08:46:32 2010.

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No if you read what I wrote and not take things out of context I said it based on their pax comments and also this was not the only issue I said she should be fired for and it is my opinion the only one who has the power to fire her is Walder.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 5 09:20:53 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:19:02 2010.

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remember arguing with Brian is like mud wrestling a pig.


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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:21:59 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:19:02 2010.

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I took nothing out of context. Saying that you based in on their max's comments only makes it look worse for you since pax are often TOTALLY clueless. I said the proper info was up on the website and it was. It's not LIRR's fault that these pax you heard talking did not think to look at the #1 best place for up to the minute info on the event. The LIRR make excellent communication available and should be commenced.

As far as other things she's done, you have not mentioned any of them by name.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:24:06 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 08:43:32 2010.

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I took it as an opinion. I still think that too.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:24:15 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 08:43:56 2010.

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I took it as an opinion. I still think that too.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:28:02 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 5 09:20:53 2010.

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Lol

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:29:43 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:21:59 2010.

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Actually, I did. But I will repeat myself.

The fiasco with the pension scandal as well as the disability scandal and also the canceling of service 12 hrs ahead of time (hurricane Earl)

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Seriously?

Posted by lrg5784 on Sun Sep 5 09:32:40 2010, in response to Re: Brian Windbag is a disgusting racist, posted by BigBusDriver on Sun Sep 5 09:05:01 2010.

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It feels like I'm watching an episode of Degrassi or something. May I mind you, this is the type of behavior that drives people away from this hobby. What is all this about, to see whose schlong is bigger than the others???

You guys really need to [get a pen and] drop it already. I know I'm not being forced to read these comments but can't we all act like grown ups??? Sheesh!

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:32:56 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:29:43 2010.

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pension scandal

Not sure yet if that is her fault.

disability scandal

Not sure yet if that is her fault.

If either of those are "her fault", then maybe I would consider your position.

canceling of service 12 hrs ahead of time (hurricane Earl)

I don't think that is worthy of firing. I also don't think it was so bad.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:34:05 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:24:06 2010.

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It's not. Reread it. Really. Try it.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:34:24 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:24:15 2010.

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It's not. Try to reread it. Let me know where you have trouble.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 5 09:34:29 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 5 09:10:13 2010.

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Yes, but again, these are jam packed full length trains. (Often 8 cars of full double deckers) that run to Montauk on Friday summers and the busiest weekends being Labor day and Memorial day....Fridays.
It's the majority of the Montauk branch's ridership.
And it's hardly discrecionary when it's the last weekend of your summer rental that you paid tens of thousands of dollars for (and often over hundred). The season ends on Labor day weekend.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 5 09:35:03 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:29:43 2010.

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And the next sky is falling for Mrs. Williamson is the overtime scandal she and others jumped onto.
Even that will find less than 1% fraud. and 99% hot air and loosing support of her workers.

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Re: Seriously?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:35:52 2010, in response to Seriously?, posted by lrg5784 on Sun Sep 5 09:32:40 2010.

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There is no place for anti-Semitism here. You want this to end? Then don't respond to these posts unless you are denouncing the anti-Semitism.

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Re: Seriously?

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 5 09:36:49 2010, in response to Re: Seriously?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:35:52 2010.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:37:18 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:32:56 2010.

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Ok I believe the first two were under her watch. The last one is debateable, but the first two IMHO does deserve her being fired or her resigning I would agree to a resignation I believe everyone deserves the right to resign versus being fired

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:39:49 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:37:18 2010.

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Let's allow the facts to first be revealed via an investigation. Then you can call for her head.

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Re: Seriously?

Posted by lrg5784 on Sun Sep 5 09:41:46 2010, in response to Re: Seriously?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 5 09:36:49 2010.

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I'm gonna stay quiet on this....

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Re: Seriously?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:42:30 2010, in response to Re: Seriously?, posted by lrg5784 on Sun Sep 5 09:41:46 2010.

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But you just didn't. You made a post about it. So....?

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:43:49 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:34:24 2010.

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We're going in circles I think we need to agree to disagree as neither one of us agrees on this

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:44:00 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:34:05 2010.

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We're going in circles I think we need to agree to disagree as neither one of us agrees on this

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:44:42 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 5 09:35:03 2010.

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Yup the crews do not like her either (as I have heard from some of them)

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 5 09:45:52 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 5 09:34:29 2010.

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I am not disputing that the trains are jammed packed.

Again, my defintion of "commuter" is the 5 day a week customer.

The railroad would not be in business if the majority of riders only rode in the summer out to the east end.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 5 09:49:20 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 5 09:34:29 2010.

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Then again if you can afford a summer rental I think most likely you're driving your car out there, especially with the end of ths summer you're lugging a lot of stuff home this weekend!

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 09:51:40 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:39:49 2010.

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Ok

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 5 10:04:06 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 5 09:49:20 2010.

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Bill so who are the people on train, if the tourist drive ??

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 5 10:14:59 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 23:53:39 2010.

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ALL of those posts are of NTSB investigations into an employee death by train.

NTSB *does* investigate employee deaths. What it does not *appear* to investigate is trespasser deaths or MVCs at grade crossings unless there are other interesting (to them) facts that require their attention for the safety of the public.

I have checked the NTSB website and as far as railroads are concerned:

"The Safety Board investigates many railroad accidents, including
freight train collisions and derailments; however, it places special
emphasis on train accidents that involve the traveling public,
such as passenger train and rail rapid transit accidents. The
Board’s criteria for investigating a railroad accident include
accidents involving a fatality or substantial damage. As a
result of railroad accident investigations, the Board issues
safety recommendations to agencies such as the FRA, the FTA,
the National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak), state
regulatory agencies, rapid transit agencies, trade associations,
and common carriers. Safety studies in the rail mode have
examined areas such as the transportation of hazardous
materials and rapid transit systems."

NTSB decides what they will investigate. Employee deaths appear to be among these as evidenced by the list of separate reports cited to you.
Trespassers and grade crossings appear to be of less interest to them unless there are other circumstances involved i.e. a school bus or issues of highway alignments, MERTA taking out 15 cars at once, and major damage to the train. Things like that.

LION is still waiting.



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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 5 10:18:29 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 23:54:16 2010.

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It surely IS possible to get a few buses within an hour. And that can work for little railroads such as NJT, but 1000+ buses to protect LIRR schedules. IMPOSSIBLE.



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Re: Seriously?

Posted by BigBusDriver on Sun Sep 5 10:23:34 2010, in response to Re: Seriously?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:35:52 2010.

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There WAS NO antiSemitism! Are you that thick, you knuckle-headed moron!
Are you Jewish?
Are you little?
Are you a bitch?
Are you Dutch's bitch?

All I see are truths.

WHERE IS THE ANTISEMITISM?

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 5 10:30:51 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 5 10:04:06 2010.

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I'm saying that the majority of people who go to Montauk and the Hamptons drive.

Some of them do in fact take the train.

Why does everybody have the rag on today? I'm starting to feel that any post I make has to be cleared by my lawyer first.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 5 10:36:00 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 5 09:45:52 2010.

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Of course, but they took away one of the busiest lines for that day.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 5 10:37:27 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 5 09:49:20 2010.

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The majority of the people that do summer rentals out in the Hamptons are Manhattan people, many of which don't have cars, no matter how rich they are.
And it's just luggage. Most summer rentals are furnished, with everything from dishes to sheets.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 5 10:38:27 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 5 10:30:51 2010.

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Bill it's just in fun, don't get so upset.
In any event, yes, while most probably drive, it's also one of the busiest weekends usually for the Montauk Branch.

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REEF REQUESTED FOR THIS ONE!!!!!!!

Posted by monorail on Sun Sep 5 11:46:23 2010, in response to Re: Seriously?, posted by BigBusDriver on Sun Sep 5 10:23:34 2010.

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IT'S READY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 5 12:25:01 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 5 02:29:01 2010.

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So you've now changed your tactics? It's no longer that behavior like his justifies your anti-semitic bent? I guess you won't sell your software to Jews either.

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Re: REEF REQUESTED FOR THIS ONE!!!!!!!

Posted by lrg5784 on Sun Sep 5 12:26:23 2010, in response to REEF REQUESTED FOR THIS ONE!!!!!!!, posted by monorail on Sun Sep 5 11:46:23 2010.

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You can say that again.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 5 12:26:50 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 22:22:33 2010.

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I think you've crossed the line with that post.

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Re: BigBusDriver makes another antisemitic post

Posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Sep 5 12:37:39 2010, in response to Re: BigBusDriver makes another antisemitic post, posted by BigBusDriver on Sun Sep 5 09:09:17 2010.

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don't worry he just has fun arguing and being an asshole. The more people get worked up the more fun it is for him.

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Re: CT-Subbuff responds with nonsense to a disgustingly antisemitic post

Posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Sep 5 12:40:00 2010, in response to CT-Subbuff responds with nonsense to a disgustingly antisemitic post, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 08:48:21 2010.

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terrapin you obviously have no life. all you do is have fun pissing people off.

Get help.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 5 12:45:52 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 5 02:29:01 2010.

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Above two responses interesting. Would you two like me to see if Al Sharpton will come out and take up your cause since you're both playing the race card?

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Re: Seriously?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 5 12:50:47 2010, in response to Re: Seriously?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 09:35:52 2010.

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have you ever considered that your behavior and that of your buddy from the MTA are *causing* anti-semitism? At least as you perceive it? It's NOT anti-semitism to pick out an individual for being an asswipe. Look it up.

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 5 13:06:44 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 5 10:30:51 2010.

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Most families and people *do* drive out to the Hamptons for the summer, but once there, papa must still commute into the city, and the kids (and the wife if she can get it away from them) will drive the car.

So the Family was already out at the point, and Papa is stuck in Speonk.

Oh well, one of the kids can drive to Speonk and fetch him. They all got cell phones now, andthey can arrange that.



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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 5 13:07:57 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 5 10:37:27 2010.

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ok. LION will buy that story too.



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Re: Seriously?

Posted by lrg5784 on Sun Sep 5 14:16:13 2010, in response to Re: Seriously?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 5 12:50:47 2010.

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Amen

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Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 5 18:29:16 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 5 12:45:52 2010.

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Hahahahahha. You say that anti-semitism is justified by weinberg's on-line persona and "we're playing the race card?" Hope your customers of the Jewish Faith don't decide not to buy yur software. Could be another fuck-up in the making. Or maybe that was the plan all along - not selling to those pesky Jews>

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