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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 20:16:52 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 4 20:11:21 2010. Lol, true for them that means cancel service and hide. :) |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:24:21 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Mr. MTA on Sat Sep 4 20:11:15 2010. It wasn't clam at Montauk, The guy that the Weather Channel had there, showed big ass waves crashing into onto the Beach, it was so bad they closed the beach. And that was like around 3pm or so. |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:27:53 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 19:52:24 2010. I'd trust anyone, but when it comes to peoples lives then i trust nobody.Think of it this way whose head would be on the line if the trains ran and something happen, not the engineer, but the president of the company. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 20:31:11 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:27:53 2010. Bullshit stop making excuses for the former Bus president, she can't run a railroad its time to let her go.She has been worst president, the pension debacle that was false alarm. The disability debacle that was false alarm, how many times is she gone yel " the sky is falling" |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 20:34:23 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:27:53 2010. "Think of it this way whose head would be on the line if the trains ran and something happen, not the engineer, but the president of the company"You are right but that is a chance every company president takes as part of their job no matter what industry. Look at the CEO of BP, his head is on the line for the explosion. I am not saying that service shouldn't be suspended, but it was too preemptive. RR's are an all weather related industry. AFAIK LIRR was the only one who had suspended service for the storm. Amtrak yes did suspend service, but it was a problem with their wiring not the storm they decided to wait until after the storm to do their final checks as mentioned by another poster here. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 20:36:58 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 20:31:11 2010. Damn I forgot about those two. She needs to go not just because of her preemptive strike against a hurricane many hours before need be, and the HALL fiasco (yes she mishandled that) and those two. I never thought I'd say this but Prendergast wasn't as bad as I thought he was :( |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 20:37:14 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 20:34:23 2010. "Think of it this way whose head would be on the line if the trains ran and something happen, not the engineer, but the president of the company"so now the trains did not run and nothing happend so who's head should roll??? right the one who called it wrong. |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:37:18 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 19:49:52 2010. Ok, but the trains were stopped after about 5am, Earl was predicted to arrive at 5pm, that TWELVE HOURS later. It takes time to get the crews together and secure all the crossings they had to.I believe she did the right thing at the right time, and remember the LIRR is still taking heat for having trains get stranded on the tracks from the last blizzard. I'm sure the decision wasn't easy for Ms.Williams, and remember Gov.Paterson said in his press conference that if you shouldn't have to be out during the storm, then don't be. Do you think that he shouldn't have said that seeing as Earl didn't effect us that bad? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 20:39:22 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:37:18 2010. stop making excuses, they screwed the pooch on this one, and she is the scapegoat. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 20:39:38 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:37:18 2010. stop making excuses, they screwed the pooch on this one, and she is the scapegoat. |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:42:29 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 20:34:23 2010. Out of all the things that could have gone wrong, i can't think of one reason to keep the Railroad open during a Hurricane, and risk peoples lives. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 20:45:45 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:42:29 2010. What hurricane, she closed the store before the Fucking thing was at the horizon. she is clueless. |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:48:12 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 20:39:38 2010. you do know that a scapegoat is someone, that is blamed for something they did not do by someone who did do the thing the other person is said to have done.You are saying that Ms.Williams did close down the railroad early, so she CAN'T be the scapegoat, unless you are saying it wasn't her idea. |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:51:19 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 20:45:45 2010. Ok, so i must be mistaken when the storm moved from North Carolina to here in like three or four HOURS on Friday. So like they said the storm moved fast after it was at the North Carolina coast, so fast that there would have been little time to have closed down those lines on that day. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 20:51:22 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:48:12 2010. whatever, are you related to terrorpin ? |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 20:53:45 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:37:18 2010. First off, it really doesn't take 12 hrs to suspend service, sorry. I work for MNR and been around when they've suspended service and it doesn't take that long. And it happens not often at all in fact. I have also seen them start service up quickly too.The LIRR and Ms Williams had no excuse their mgmt of this is bad. The decision was obviously easy for Ms Williams to make as she did it way too early. This is at least her fourth fiasco since taking over. As I have said in previous posts it isn't just this fiasco that should have her fired, but several. "Gov.Paterson said in his press conference that if you shouldn't have to be out during the storm, then don't be. Do you think that he shouldn't have said that seeing as Earl didn't effect us that bad?" Apples and oranges and false comparison. That advice is given to individuals who aren't trained. Not a supposedly professional agency notice how other transit systems still ran with no deaths. With your comparison, I guess all the emergency workers, and LIPA crews, etc should stay home too?? |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:54:06 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 20:51:22 2010. Hell no, i'm nothing like him. I just want people to see my point, and sometimes i meet people like you who don't seem to grasp the point that i try to make so i go a little overboard. I don't sit around and fill the board with BS like Terp does. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 20:54:23 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by 9 local on Sat Sep 4 13:19:39 2010. Please check your email. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 20:56:04 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by R30A on Sat Sep 4 15:34:30 2010. IAWTP |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 20:56:35 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:51:19 2010. At 3:45pm the storm was still off coast of maryland. thats already having the railroad shut down for over 10 hours, at that time it was already know that storm was cat 1 or lower and would not even get close to land. so what is your and Mrs williams dumb excuuse.Before I joined the railroad I use to be in Merchant Marines, If we stayed in port everytime there was a storm in forcast this country would be in deep shit and your plate would be empty. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 20:57:07 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 16:03:55 2010. They didn't think of even bustituting until many hours went byHow in the world do you know?!?!?!? In fact I'd be willing to bet that you are wrong! I bet they thought of it within SECONDS of the fire! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 20:57:39 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 16:03:55 2010. They didn't think of even bustituting until many hours went by How in the world do you know?!?!?!? In fact I'd be willing to bet that you are wrong! I bet they thought of it within SECONDS of the fire! |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 20:57:41 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:42:29 2010. No ones lives were at risk."i can't think of one reason to keep the Railroad open during a Hurricane" The same reason the RRs operate any other times to transport people safely. If a train crew at any time feels it is unsafe for the train to continue they will stop and stay or even cancel the train if need be. Not call it off over 12 hrs ahead of time. If the RR's suspend service for everytime something can go wrong we all would never move cause anything can go wrong at any time regardless of weather. I would agree with you if the LIRR wasn't the only one to suspend service. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Sep 4 20:57:49 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by R30A on Sat Sep 4 15:34:30 2010. I must agree, they got things back pretty quick, especially all the damage they had to assess, all the stuff that had to be replaced and all the testing done over and over in order to get things right!! They deserve their due respect. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 20:58:25 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 08:36:46 2010. I strongly disagree. She handled HALL fine and has not done anything majorly wrong. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 20:58:48 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:42:29 2010. No ones lives were at risk."i can't think of one reason to keep the Railroad open during a Hurricane" The same reason the RRs operate any other times to transport people safely. If a train crew at any time feels it is unsafe for the train to continue they will stop and stay or even cancel the train if need be. Not call it off over 12 hrs ahead of time. If the RR's suspend service for everytime something can go wrong we all would never move cause anything can go wrong at any time regardless of weather. I would agree with you if the LIRR wasn't the only one to suspend service.* *note for this event not 12 hrs ahead there was no excuse for that sorry |
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Posted by 9 local on Sat Sep 4 21:00:29 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 20:57:41 2010. Amtrak suspended service from New Haven to Boston, in fact, an Acela I saw go north at South Norwalk was the next Southbound Amtrak I saw upon arrival at Stamford, and it was making New Rochelle and New York Penn only. Only one other Amtrak (another Acela) passed through following its departure as per PA announcements at Stamford Transit Center. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 21:03:30 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by 9 local on Sat Sep 4 21:00:29 2010. Amtrak did not cancel because of storm but because of a tree in overhead wires before the storm.It took them a long time to get tree removed and wires inspected. But Amtrak did not pre-emptive shut down the railroad. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 4 21:04:09 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Sep 4 17:27:09 2010. They barely have enough serviceable/available dual powered locos on the Empire corridor as it is. A few weeks ago I was observing the AM rush in Toronto and saw the Maple Leaf: with Genesis #10 supplying the power. On a trip to/from Niagara Falls a few years ago, we had to change power in Albany either going or coming (I forget) due to a shortage of dual modes.Yes, Amtrak can go via Springfield but you still have a potential of fallen trees on the track. If a train hits one you can derail/damage the engine/injure the crew. It can cause of brake pipe rupture. I know a tree can fall anytime but in the case of a hurricane the odds are greater. Did the weather people blow (no pun intended) this? Certainly. Continental airlines cancelled 60 flights according to NY Daily News story. All these agencies listened to the best sources they had available. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:04:48 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 20:57:07 2010. Wrong. It was mentioned several times by the media it wasn't done until right b4 the PM Peak and I also spoke w/several friends of mine within LIRRBTW it was well discussed here how wrong I was to even suggest bustituting to begin with, but guess right they finally did it at PM Peak |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:05:19 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 20:57:39 2010. Wrong. It was mentioned several times by the media it wasn't done until right b4 the PM Peak and I also spoke w/several friends of mine within LIRRBTW it was well discussed here how wrong I was to even suggest bustituting to begin with, but guess right they finally did it at PM Peak |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 4 21:06:01 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 17:28:52 2010. So then I sit corrected on my prior statement.In this case, their spare factor is very high. |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 21:06:23 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 20:53:45 2010. Coming from a family of volunteer firefighters, i'm pissed at your last statement.Emergency Workers are there to protect you, they like everyone else shouldn't be out in a middle of a storm. But since there are Boneheads, like you, Terp, and what ever the other guy name is, that would assume it was safe to travel especially on the east end during a Hurricane and put your life in danger because they assume it is safe, emergency workers would have to risk their lives just to save you Boneheads. They don't like rescuing Boneheads, but they do it anyway, even though they get treated like shit. So no i wouldn't want emergency workers, and LIPA crews out there in a middle of a hurricane, if they weren't needed. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:06:31 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 20:58:25 2010. You can disagree that is fine. But as I said to others:They could have handled it way better. LIRR was extremely slow in reacting to the fire the first day. They didn't think of even bustituting until many hours went by, and many pax were stranded (NJT had an issue the next day and immediately had buses up and running and their disruption wasn't even more than 1/2 a day), also in the first few days of the LIRR HALL fire there was lack of communication which many pax had complained about. LIRR does not know how to manage a crisis. I give them credit for getting it back after just a week, but by no means was it really handled right.Quite frankly, everytime there is a hiccup the LIRR fails, and the crews and staff are rude. I can say this as a regular pax of the LIRR, but it comes from top down. The workers aren't happy with mgmt and it shows. Where I work at MNR we have 2 former LIRR employees and they even say the same thing. LIRR needs new mgmt. Helena was an improvement but fell into the status quo and did not handle this right either. Now they shut down the RR for the storm that had already been downgraded a category before getting here? I am not saying run full service, but to run no service?? No, sorry I've seen other RR's operate in similar conditions. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Sep 4 21:06:43 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Sep 4 18:44:09 2010. "...demanded that we get fingerprints off of the bike so we can catch the culprits!"What's so dumb about that? Leaving a bike on the tracks was a very dangerous thing to do and it could have caused serious injuries or deaths if the train derailed. If it was done maliciously, those responsible need to be caught and taught a lesson. I don't understand the cavalier attitude here. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:11:08 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 21:06:23 2010. Dude, I didn't mean it the way you took and I apologize I should have been clearer.I am saying that they shouldn't be out but they are out just like the LIRR should be out transporting people like the way emergency responders, etc should be out protecting and saving people. I have utmost respect for them esp. the volunteers and I am sincerely apologetic that my words came out wrongly. BTW thanks for resorting to name calling. I understand you are pissed but still not a reason |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 21:11:59 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:04:48 2010. Nope. Reread what you said and what I said.Yes you were very wrong and thankfully the LIRR did not do what you suggested. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 21:14:13 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:11:08 2010. maybe we should shut firehouses when storm is on horizon.Or shut LIPA down after all the wires could come down. LIRR is A service business, people depend on using it to get to work. That might be emergency workers, nurses, firefighters or just the ordinairy joe blow. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 4 21:14:18 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:04:48 2010. It does take time for LIRR to make phone calls to get buses into place, it couldn't within an hour of the fire.Since buses from other NYCT and MTA bus were used, somebody in MTA had to sign off on it and make arrangements for financial reimbursements for it. Then operators and buses had to be gathered. This takes a few hours to accomplish. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:14:25 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 21:11:59 2010. Nope I am not wrong but you are entitled to your opinion. I am also entitled to mine. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 4 21:15:24 2010, in response to Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 08:30:57 2010. Railroads are suppose(d) to be all weather transportationNot even the Florida East Coast Railway ran in a hurricane. Railroads are supposed to be the better mode in the snow, but never "all-weather". Notwithstanding, cancelling due to a false alarm is utterly irresponsible, but typical of the nanny state. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 21:17:15 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams, former LIRR president?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 4 21:15:24 2010. FEC sure did and so did Seaboard Coast lines, no shutdowns untill tracks were blocked or washed out. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:17:31 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 4 21:14:18 2010. I am not saying it doesn't but everything stopped IIRC around 10am the buses weren't there until 3pm. Shouldn't take 5 hrs.NJT had an issue that same day or the next day and had buses within a short period of time. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 21:22:05 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:14:25 2010. Yes, you very much are wrong. Follow my advice and you will see. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 21:22:25 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:17:31 2010. Yes it should! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 21:24:33 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:17:31 2010. You really don't seem to know much about railroad operations/management (i.e. thinking that the complete system should be bustituted and that said bustitution should have been able to have begun in less than 5 hours). That leads me to wonder what exactly you do at MNCR... |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 21:25:30 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 21:24:33 2010. and you do ?????? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 21:27:01 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 21:24:33 2010. I know that it is utter nonsense to think that the LIRR could have:1) bustituted the whole system 2) gotten the bustitution up and running in less than 5 hours |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 4 21:29:45 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:51:19 2010. The storm was NOT that fast. It was that BIG. It took one single bite out of the coastline. You have to have a contingency plan. But then you should also wait a little while longer to see what is happening.This is a major holiday weekend, and many people wanted to go to the Hamptons. It was certainly good to warn people that their could be problems. It was probably good if many people changed their plans. Still, run the railroad and see what will happen. Be ready to rescue a train if needed. But still the possibility existed that some people could be delayed enroute. The major problem is that PEOPLE BITCH if their travel plans are delayed. (I *know* that I do, but that of curse is flying.) But on the commute home. Relax, take a nap, you will get home sooner or later. It is NO BIG DEAL. CHILL OUT people. 
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:30:34 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 21:22:05 2010. Ok |
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