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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 4 21:32:34 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:17:31 2010. MTA has a lot more divisions than NJT does. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:33:56 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 21:22:25 2010. Nope but again we can diagress. It doesn't really change anything cause it did happen the way it did. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:36:59 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 21:24:33 2010. Nah I know alot about things and have seen things done faster than they did.If I really thought it couldn't be done and haven't seen it done I'd keep my mouth closed. BTW you work for RR Mgmt?? Last I heard you worked for an engineering firm's mailroom? Before resorting to attacking one's career maybe one should look at their own career. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 4 21:37:34 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams, former LIRR president?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 21:17:15 2010. I seem to recall the FEC evacuating during the 1935 hurricane that wiped out its main line to the Keys. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:39:25 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 21:27:01 2010. Well, in fact IINM they did not have to bustitute the whole system as the Port Washington line was still running, also I believe they suspended some services.Also, I never said the bustitution would be completely up and running in 5 hours, but rather they could have gotten something running in 5 hours. Sorry if you didn't understand that. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 21:44:09 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:36:59 2010. TP could not even get hired in entry position.his job at Stantec is provided by relative. At lest you got to railroad and are 100% ahead of TP |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 21:44:55 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams, former LIRR president?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 4 21:37:34 2010. after several eatlier huricanes, non of them cat 1's |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 4 21:48:05 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:17:31 2010. Buses were never really practical in this situation. We are talking about 300 ten car trains (3000) cars x 100 peeps/car (300,000 people)We are talking about 6000 buses. I'm not sure there are that many spare buses and drivers available on Long Island. Some talked about busing "around the affected area" but before you ask this, ask youself "Where *are* the trains?" Yup, they were all WEST of Jamaica station and not available for use. So while some buses may have been able to transport people to Queens Village or Valley Stream, there would be no trains waiting for them there. It was completely useless to even think of buses, and the only possibility was to use TRAINS. To do that they would have to throw the switches from the ground and signal trains through by hand. What they did was just as good, spiking switches so that there could be NO SWITCHING ERRORS, and then flagging the trains through. It knocked the efficiency out of the railroad, but in the end was indded the only possible solution. 
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:49:20 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 4 21:32:34 2010. That is true. And I am not saying that they should have had everything up and running in 5 hours but something could have started sooner. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:50:28 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 21:44:09 2010. True :) |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:52:06 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 4 21:48:05 2010. No they would not have needed 6000 buses nor did they use 6000 buses but they did use buses, my statement is that it wouldn't have needed 5 hours to get something running not a full 5 hours. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Sep 4 21:53:47 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Sep 4 21:06:43 2010. Like someone else mentioned, it was most likely done by children or young teens, most likely with no prints on file. Besides the fact, the person demanding this action was angry about being delayed: if we did call the police, we would have been delayed even longer. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 4 22:05:35 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:52:06 2010. I just showed you that you would have needed 6000 buses to transport 300,000 people. That is simply the math: one seat per ass.Now suppose they did use them to flex around the affected tower, from Jamaica to Queens or Valley. If each bus made 3 runs per hour, and we ran them over a period of two hours, you would still need 1000 buses. But there would be no trains to meet them at Queens or Valley, since all of the equipment would still be in Manhattan, LIC or Brooklyn. Yes, Yes, there would be a few trains east of HALL, but the logistics still do not work out. Trains could arrive at Jamaica every three minutes. But can you get that many people into the buses before the station sinks into the mud under the weight of the people? Having 3000 people a minute walking down those steps and looking for buses. Dewd, sometimes bustitute is NOT an option. Period.
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:05:44 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:39:25 2010. Well, in fact IINM they did not have to bustitute the whole system as the Port Washington line was still running, also I believe they suspended some services. Obviously. You know what I meant. Also, I never said the bustitution would be completely up and running in 5 hours, but rather they could have gotten something running in 5 hours. Sorry if you didn't understand that. No, b/c they DID get something running in 5 hours according to you. So what was the problem????? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:06:00 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:30:34 2010. Thanks. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:08:55 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:33:56 2010. Yep. It should take 5 hours. You totally don't understand how this stuff works. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 22:08:58 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 4 22:05:35 2010. Well, I think we will need to agree to disagree.I am not questioning your math, but the buses were not a perfect idea but the ones that were used did help. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:10:35 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:36:59 2010. No, you don't know a lot because you totally don't know how this bustitution thing should have worked. And I don't see anyone agreeing with you. Whereas A TON of people told you at the time that you were totally wrong with your criticism of LIRR about the bustitution. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:11:09 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:50:28 2010. How is that true? Please post the facts and how you know they are facts. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:11:40 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:50:28 2010. How is that true? Please post the facts and how you know they are facts. Otherwise you are agreeing with an unwarranted personal attack and that opens you up to personal attacks then. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:12:50 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 4 22:05:35 2010. Thank you for agreeing with me and the countless others who told Arnine that he is totally wrong in this regard. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:13:01 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 4 21:48:05 2010. Thanks again for agreeing with us. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 22:13:45 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:05:44 2010. No you said: "I know that it is utter nonsense to think that the LIRR could have:1) bustituted the whole system 2) gotten the bustitution up and running in less than 5 hours" 1. My apologies I took the sentence literally, but yes I should have known what you meant. 2. I think they could have gotten something up and running in 'less than 5 hours', but they didn't and I think they could have gotten something up and running (not completely) in less than 3 hours |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:17:04 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 22:13:45 2010. Thank you for apologizing.As for #2, there are many good reasons why they did not and should not have had "something" running in less than 3 hours. Are you interested in hearing them? Warning: they are probably the same reasons as were told to you many times by many people on the day of the event... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 4 22:20:17 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:11:40 2010. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooo...........................IIRC *YOU* attacked the LION and have not yet apologized. Lion Said Then Dutch said And YOU said To which I replied AND *YOU* HAVE BEEN SILENT EVER SINCE.
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 22:22:03 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:08:55 2010. I know how this stuff works.I have seen it done.But I think we will need to agree to disagree as I think neither one of us are gonna agree on this, which is okay. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 22:22:33 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 4 22:20:17 2010. He knows when to shut up, my little Jewish bitch |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 22:24:30 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:10:35 2010. I am not saying bustitution is a perfect solution, but ok maybe I am off on this, or maybe I am being too idealistic. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 22:25:11 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:11:09 2010. Sorry this one is self-explanatory |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 22:32:04 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:11:40 2010. Well, you did attack me personally first. Remember saying this:"That leads me to wonder what exactly you do at MNCR..." I am sorry but in the context of the post you attacked me personally by questioning my knowledge, and why MNR has me as an employee. But, that is ok because if I was so unknowledgeable MNR would not have employed me for 10+ years. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 22:33:49 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 22:17:04 2010. Nah I think on that one I might have been too idealistic. |
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Posted by Mr. MTA on Sat Sep 4 23:26:28 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Mac5689 on Sat Sep 4 20:24:21 2010. Yeah, but that's the ocean! The ferry only goes through the sound which is protected. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 23:52:50 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 4 22:22:33 2010. Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ?? (975340) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 23:53:39 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 4 22:20:17 2010. I'm sure as heck not reading all those links. Please quote the relevant parts and explain how they are relevant. Then we'll talk |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 23:54:16 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 22:22:03 2010. There's no way you've seen something like that done in 3 hours. No way. Sorry. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 23:57:52 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 22:24:30 2010. maybe I am being too idealistic DING DING DING DING! We have a winner! In an ideal world thousands of buses would appear out of thin air and magically drive to where they need to be in less than three hours. And that's without even getting drivers involved. I'm glad you now see where you went wrong. The world is not ideal, and buses do not appear out of thin air, they can not drive to where they need to be in no time at all, and the necessary manpower can not be reassigned and/or called in from home and mobilized in less than three hours! Take Pride,
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 23:58:16 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 22:25:11 2010. No it's not. Are you being hypocritical again? I think you are... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 00:00:58 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 22:32:04 2010. I did not attack you. It is perfectly plausible that you do not work in an operations/management position! That's what I was getting at! Sheesh! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 00:01:34 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 21:50:28 2010. Again, how is that true? Please post the facts and how you know they are facts. Otherwise you are agreeing with an unwarranted personal attack and that opens you up to personal attacks then. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 00:02:50 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sat Sep 4 22:33:49 2010. too idealistic.Yes, that sums up quite nicely all the reasons that were given to you on the day of the incident but which you seem to have forgotten. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 00:07:18 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 23:54:16 2010. Yes way but that is ok believe what you will. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 00:08:51 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 23:57:52 2010. Never said they can appear out of thin air being idealistic has a different meaning but ok believe what you will. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 00:09:35 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 4 23:58:16 2010. No just follow the thread you will see. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 00:10:10 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 00:00:58 2010. Then my apology as I took it a different way. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 00:10:34 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 00:01:34 2010. Just follow the thread |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 00:10:59 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 00:02:50 2010. I will take note thanks |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 00:13:27 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 00:07:18 2010. No way. I don't believe it. It's not possible. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 00:14:04 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 00:08:51 2010. No, I'll know the truth. The buses would have to appear out of thin air in order to have the bustitution up and running in 3 hours. Get it? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 00:14:39 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 00:09:35 2010. I already did. You haven't answered the question yet. Show how it is true and how you know it is true. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 5 00:16:13 2010, in response to Re: Helena Williams former LIRR president ??, posted by arnine on Sun Sep 5 00:10:10 2010. Thank you. Now if you care to say whether you work in an operations/management position, that would be nice, but I respect your decision not to if that's what you decide to do. However your comments in this thread lead me to believe that you are not in an operations/management position. |
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