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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 12:44:47 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 12 22:14:22 2010. ESA will give the LIRR more midtown access than it actually needs. Remember, there is only so much service they can squeeze onto the mainline between Jamaica and Sunnyside. That caps capacity. The LIRR might not be able to exploit it all, even if it routed all service from FBA to Manhattan. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 12:47:48 2010, in response to Re: Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 12:43:29 2010. True, but the MTA will undoubtedly have to pay some of the price, since the trains will also be servicing parts of Westchester. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 12:55:32 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 12:44:47 2010. ESA will give the LIRR more midtown access than it actually needs.Correct. Remember, there is only so much service they can squeeze onto the mainline between Jamaica and Sunnyside. They've got roughly 40 tph/tk * 2 tks of capacity between HAROLD and JAY. Post-ESA projections are for maximum 60 tph on said stretch. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 12:59:04 2010, in response to Re: Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 12:47:48 2010. True, but the MTA will undoubtedly have to pay some of the price, since the trains will also be servicing parts of Westchester.I'm not sure, but I think that they take care of that in the operating agreement, not on the capital end. I think that CT DOT would have to pay for projected requirements plus spares on their property. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Feb 13 13:04:46 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 12:44:47 2010. I never thought about that-- there's talk of rerouting trains from Brooklyn, but where will they fit on the mainline? Even if the third track is built to Hicksville, and double-tracking goes to Ronkonkoma, where do those trains fit between Jamaica and Sunnyside? Too bad the extra width of the abandoned Rockaway line tracks doesn't extend further both ways. The dual-mode locomotives that were supposed to provide lots of direct Manhattan service haven't worked as well as expected either (and the bi-level coaches they pull won't fit in the 63 St tunnels).We all need to remember that East Side Access has always been discussed in the context of these other expansions. Without them, chances are good that trains going to Grand Central Terminal will be subtracted from Penn Station New York service rather than an addition to existing service. That will leave slots for something else. |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Feb 13 13:47:37 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 13 06:54:15 2010. ..at appx. one mil $$$ per track mile cost??Never gonna happen, espically in todays economy |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Feb 13 13:50:53 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Feb 13 09:27:53 2010. Is that why there were MN M-7A's in LIC, for the 3rd rail testing?? |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Feb 13 13:57:13 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Feb 13 11:11:31 2010. & maybe forget anything running to the meadowlands next season. The suits are kickin (pun intended) around the idea of killing the experement altogether. Ive heard that the average train of 8-10 cars carries appx 50. Factoring all of the above, that train loses more $$$ than Greenport service ever could. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 13 14:03:42 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 13 06:54:15 2010. Figured that was the status quo. Would be cheaper to rebuild select M8 sets with folding third rail shoes and 25 Hertz transformers than do third rail extensions. (Or to buy ALP-46As and run them with the Shoreliners.) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 14:04:30 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 12:55:32 2010. That means around 30 TPH into each Midtown terminal, minus any diesel trains headed for LIC, which I am sure will see significant reductions once ESA is open.Does the LIRR really need 60 TPH into Midtown? Even with a third mainline track in Nassau County? Even with electrification all the way to Yaphank and/or Port Jefferson? Don't forget that FBA gets about 20 TPH by itself. I think the LIRR can afford to surrender a dozen or so slots to the New Haven line at Penn Station during rush hours and 2 slots an hour off peak once ESA is ready. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 14:07:58 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 13 14:03:42 2010. Amtrak should spend some of that useless HSR money on upgrading the NEC to 25/50K-60Hz catenary. |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Feb 13 14:08:15 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 13 00:38:51 2010. Ive spoken to a few LIRR guys & they hated those "starships" over there as they were sometines called. Aside from mechinical issues & being fuel pigs, Serious arcing & truck hunting in push mode were the some of complaints ive heard |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 14:20:12 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 14:07:58 2010. Amtrak should spend some of that useless HSR money on upgrading the NECMuch of the so-called "HSR" money is going for NEC improvements. Don't assume just because it's legislatively labeled as "HSR" or in aid of HSR that it's for bullet trains. to 25/50K-60Hz catenary 60 Hz is what they should be aiming for. 50 Hz is kind of useless given existing AC power. Mind you, it's not an issue for AMTK, and I doubt that it would even be an issue for MNCR except that they view PSA as sufficiently unlikely that they figure (rationally), why bother with a heavier trainset for something that mightn't ever be? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 14:21:47 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Feb 13 13:50:53 2010. Is that why there were MN M-7A's in LIC, for the 3rd rail testing??Those are there for warranty and warranty-related work, as I understand it. I suppose that you'd have to check the shoes to tell! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 14:29:23 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 13 10:53:26 2010. It used to be single tracked all the way to Spuyten Duyvil. |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Feb 13 14:29:37 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Feb 13 09:36:58 2010. That is very true. I remember when the idea was floated around to merge MNR with LIRR into the "MTA Railroad" or something like that, one of the first issues to surface from the Long Island folks was the loss of their identity & name that they've come to both love & hate at the same time for some 150 or so years.Have to agree with that. It will always be the Long Island Railroad. Period. |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Feb 13 14:32:03 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Feb 13 10:59:49 2010. Don'forget "Dashing Dan"!!:) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 14:32:28 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by arnine on Sat Feb 13 09:17:56 2010. The LIRR seems to operate in it's own little world at Penn Station, much different than NJT, which seems more intertwined with Amtrak operations, sharing tracks, platforms, information boards and waiting areas. |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Feb 13 14:39:50 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 14:21:47 2010. I did! & the shoes were missing. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 14:39:52 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 14:04:30 2010. That means around 30 TPH into each Midtown terminal, minus any diesel trains headed for LIC, which I am sure will see significant reductions once ESA is open.The exact official breakdown was 36 tph NYP/24 tph ESA. FBA/LIC/HPA service was to remain constant, just like NYP service. Essentially, no AM peak hour cuts, just 24 extra trains, and don't quote me on this but I think that of those 24 extra trains it's 6 each for the Ports, 4 each for KO and Babylon, and 1-2 for the other electrified branches excepts WH. Does the LIRR really need 60 TPH into Midtown? No. Even with a third mainline track in Nassau County? Remember, the third mainline track is to run express trains. The fact is, and LIRR is very sly about not stating this affirmatively, if they ran skip/stop on the DIVIDE-QUEENS stretch, that third track is unnecessary. The reason why LIRR needs third track on that stretch is that its timetable has very different running times for trains on the stretch. If they went with a uniform running time for all trains on that stretch, no train would catch up to its leader. I think the LIRR can afford to surrender a dozen or so slots to the New Haven line at Penn Station during rush hours and 2 slots an hour off peak once ESA is ready. I agree that there will be spare capacity. I'm hesitant to offer ballpark numbers because it's unclear that we have enough info. The issue will be whether LIRR can transfer these slots to MNCR without AMTK or NJT objecting. Remember that MTA LIRR's rights are via its predecessors and I don't know what the relevant agreements say. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 14:40:53 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Feb 13 14:08:15 2010. Ive spoken to a few LIRR guys & they hated those "starships" over there as they were sometines called.If you saw the control panel, you'd see what they meant! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 14:41:53 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Feb 13 14:39:50 2010. I think that's routine - the shoes are removed because the trains have to go over LIRR trackage. What you'd be looking for would be, I guess, an M7A with LIRR-style shoes. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 14:44:43 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 14:32:28 2010. The LIRR seems to operate in it's own little world at Penn Station, much different than NJT, which seems more intertwined with Amtrak operations, sharing tracks, platforms, information boards and waiting areas.It has to do with who the predecessors were. In the case of AMTK and NJT at NYP, it's largely a shared PRR heritage. Think of NYP rights as something like an inherited beach club right, except that it's a train club. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Feb 13 14:57:10 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 14:07:58 2010. Amtrak should spend some of that useless HSR money on upgrading the NEC to 25/50K-60Hz catenary.Yeah, that sounds politically tenable. Money to the NEC and nothing else for nobody until it's finished? Given that we're the only corridor with trains operating near European speeds at relatively high frequency by American standards, one could make an argument that other corridors need improvements as well to ensure a political base for railway improvements throughout the country. We certainly didn't fund the Interstate Highway programme on that basis, and it's absurd to do so with the national railway network. 25Hz isn't necessarily that bad given that the Germans, Swiss, Austrians, Swedes, and Norwegians still use 15,000 V AC @ 16⅔ Hz. The real problem is that the equipment is in the best shape due to the limited funding that Amtrak receives*, and is in need of proper replacement in the context of a well funded capital programme. Luckily, the Northeast Corridor is under review for improvements, and hopefully future sessions of Congress will appropriate the funding to implement the plans. *I'd rather have better Amtrak than an extra $50 in my pocket, but that's just me. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Feb 13 15:02:25 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 14:20:12 2010. Mind you, it's not an issue for AMTK, and I doubt that it would even be an issue for MNCR except that they view PSA as sufficiently unlikely that they figure (rationally), why bother with a heavier trainset for something that mightn't ever be?I'd argue that given that it's going to be a few peak runs at most, it may simply be easier just to run a few ALP-46 loco-hauled sets to New Haven for a limited number of runs à la the football specials... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 13 15:06:38 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Feb 13 15:02:25 2010. I had the same idea, but to use the Shoreliners. That's how the New Haven did it, with electric locos and trailer cars instead of MUs (the electric locos had folding third-rail contact shoes and ran the overhead third rail pantograph locked down, as noted elsewhere in the thread; this was of course during the New Haven's 25-Hz days). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 13 15:10:08 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 14:44:43 2010. In the case of AMTK and NJT at NYP, it's largely a shared PRR heritageInherited PRR operations particularly, with a bit of New Haven thrown in. That's a great irony in the face of the LIRR being a PRR company for a long time too; the LIRR should have electrified using overhead. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 15:13:18 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by arnine on Sat Feb 13 12:33:16 2010. Well it is a fact, kind of. Dead people are not homeless, for they have gone home to their maker. Now if we can only keep them from voting in Chicago.ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 13 15:14:16 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 15:13:18 2010. Dead people are not homeless, for they have gone home to their makerThe earth made them? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 15:20:42 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 12:38:42 2010. Some of the LIRR platforms cannot be accessed by AMTK. LIRR owned the franchise for the East River Tubes, and it is for that reason that they were bought by PRR. Later PRR divested itself of LIRR, but LIRR kept trackage rights to NYP. This is the situation inherited by AMTK.ROAR |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 15:21:21 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 13 15:10:08 2010. That's a great irony in the face of the LIRR being a PRR company for a long time too; the LIRR should have electrified using overhead.Mostly it's just the fact of LIRR getting the third rail in earlier over a lot of its network and the fact that LIRR was a branch off the mainline, instead of a mainline. I'm sure that if the fabled cross-sound bridge had been built, then AC electrification would have replaced the DC, but that's not how history turned out. History aside, though,I do think that we have an opportunity over the next decades to do something positive. LIRR's power systems will need to gradually be replaced or retired. Since the latter won't happen, and since completion of electrification remains a goal, AC electrification of unelectrified territory and gradual AC replacement of DC electrified territory seems the way to go. As for the issue with the Atlantic Line west of Jamaica, just give it to NYCT; clearance problem solved. The problem would remain ESA, though. Alas the geniuses at the early MTA never foresaw the need for more height clearance than M1s required. So at least some of the fleet, if not all of it, would have to be able to work off both AC catenary and DC third rail. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 15:22:41 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 15:20:42 2010. Some of the LIRR platforms cannot be accessed by AMTK.Because? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 15:24:56 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 14:04:30 2010. Diesels to LIC need not use the Mane Lion, but could travel on the Lower Montauk. That track may see a multi-fold increase in traffic. With most diesel passengers changing trains at Jamaica, it is really little matter that diesel trains deploy to LIC via Montauk rather than via HP.ROAR |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 15:32:10 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 15:24:56 2010. You're talking about 3 trains in the AM peak hour, maybe a 4th depending on what's up on the Montauk Line in Queens. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 13 15:42:53 2010, in response to Re: Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 12:41:51 2010. The shoreliner 1 is currently being rebuild for another cycle of 18 years about 50 percent of allCDOT cars |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 16:06:42 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 14:29:23 2010. Funny, it used to be double tracked south of NYP.ROAR |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Feb 13 16:14:36 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 16:06:42 2010. What direction is south of NYP? The tracks go east and west from the station right? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 16:18:45 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 13 15:14:16 2010. If that is what you believe, then I guess so. Look at how Saruman was making Orcs.We have but on eternal home. ROAR |
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Posted by d to e to jamaica on Sat Feb 13 16:26:05 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 15:32:10 2010. It will always be the Long Island Railroad. Period.That's Rail Road (two words). Or just say LIRR. :) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 16:27:58 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 15:22:41 2010. Because they do not connect with the Hudson River tunnels. True AMTK could run from there north via the Gate, but they have little or no business going that way that does not originate further south.NJT and AMTK are married at the hip since they both trace their linage through PRR. NYP used to be LIRR and PRR with PRR handling some NH trains to points soused. When the station was designed, therefore, it was designed with a PRR concourse, and a smaller separate, less grandiose LIRR concourse. But then LIRR did not run cross country name trains that required grandiloquence lest a rider be tempted to employ the service of a different carrier. It is the LION'S opine that NYS should seize NYP under eminent domain and operate it themselfs. Get more commuters and shuttle traffic in, fewer long-distance runners. There should be at least one crack Chicago train leaving NYP around 1600 and arriving in Chitown by at least 0900 the next. ROAR |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 16:28:31 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Feb 13 16:14:36 2010. I think that he means the former High Line. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 16:36:35 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Feb 13 16:14:36 2010. The line in question runs North and South. We are talking of the Hudson West-side line of the New York Central System. It *was* tho tracks south of NYP, and I had thought that there were more tracks than just one under Riverside Park.LION has ridden through there and certainly saw that there was room for more tracks than what AMTK was using at the moment. Yes, it is one track over the bridge, maybe through the mountains on the north rim of Manhattan, but under Riverside park it was wider, it may have just been yard tracks under there, but LION was certain that there was more than one track. In any event, it looks like more tracks could be put under there if they were kneaded for something. LION has some ideas for LRVs under there. ROAR |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 16:49:10 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 16:27:58 2010. Because they do not connect with the Hudson River tunnels.Incorrect. Only tks 20-21 don't have direct access to the North River Tunnels. It is the LION'S opine that NYS should seize NYP under eminent domain and operate it themselfs. Simply wrong. You need to read the US constitution sometime. There should be at least one crack Chicago train leaving NYP around 1600 and arriving in Chitown by at least 0900 the next. AMTK train 49. Departs daily from NYP a quarter to 4 in the afternoon, arrives CHI a quarter to 10 the next morning. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Feb 13 16:52:34 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 14:41:53 2010. Yes the M7As are there for warranty work shoes are removed prior to going over the hell gate M7As at Arch Street get worked on by manufacturer |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Feb 13 16:53:07 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Feb 13 13:50:53 2010. No warranty work by manufacturer. Shoes are removed prior to going over the Hell Gate |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Feb 13 17:03:11 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station ??, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 11:13:18 2010. "If so, that would free up capacity at LIRR. MTA of course wants to give that capacity to MNCR. However, NJT and AMTK probably want that capacity, so it will be a bureaucratic fight for LIRR to gift that capacity to MNCR when NJT and AMTK want at least some of it."New Jersey Transit and Amtrak are restricted to two tunnels into the existing station, and the new Hudson River tunnels are planned to go into a separate terminal. The capacity constraint there may be the two tunnels, not whether LIRR is willing or able to sacrifice slots in the existing station. Now, if two new tunnels went into the existing station, that would be a whole lot different. If the new tunnels and terminal are completed, maybe no one will care about vacant LIRR slots in the existing terminal. We should also keep in mind that a lot of what is being built today was planned as much as fifty years ago, in a different time. Telecommuting may not eliminate the need for this capacity, but it certainly will reduce it. Even if 30% of Manhattan commuters stay home one or two days a week, that's a huge drop in ridership. |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Feb 13 17:38:12 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by arnine on Sat Feb 13 16:52:34 2010. Thanks! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 17:43:55 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Feb 13 16:49:10 2010. I *have* read the US Constitution. What in particular do you want me to look at.We are not talking about US government property. We are speaking of property owned by a corporation which happens to be owned by the US Govt. ROAR |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Sat Feb 13 17:49:02 2010, in response to Re: No Future MN New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by arnine on Sat Feb 13 16:52:34 2010. Why do the MN M7A's have to be shipped to LIC for waranty work in the first place. It seems like an incredible schlepp(sp), labor intensive, etc. Why cant the work be done in Harmon??? The manufacturer only does warranty work at Arch St.?? I'll by my next car with more options!!:) |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Feb 13 17:51:10 2010, in response to Re: Future MNR New Haven Line Service to Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 13 14:32:28 2010. Yes, which is why I objected to the false info that AMTK did the LIRRs brake testingAt least now maybe 20+yrs agao when he was here they did but now no |
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