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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 00:48:17 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 00:40:40 2009. False, the free exit is open 24/7 to the parking lot, except when there are planned or unplanned service outages, AFAIK. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 00:50:33 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 00:41:45 2009. Nope. You are 100% wrong about almost everything you have written in this thread. And the only things you got correct were just repeats of what others said before you, or otherwise irrelevant information.How about this: If you are wrong, you'll never post on any forum that is part of the "SubChat" family of forums ever again. And if I am wrong then I will apologize? How does that sound? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 00:56:46 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 00:48:17 2009. You're 100% falseagain. That exit is usually closed and securely locked.The key and electronic lock controls are held and operated by the TA superintendant on duty at the station. It is open once in a graet while. But not 24/7 as you stated. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Aug 26 00:57:30 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 25 23:34:06 2009. No, you're wrong. The parking lot is accessible for free from the AirTrain station at Howard Beach.You pay $5 ONLY if you walk through the fare control passage that leads to the Howard Beach - JFK Airport subway station. In that case, you pay $7.25, including your subway fare. There is NO CHARGE to leave the AirTrain station via ground level to the long-term parking lot. Wait a minute, I just had an interesting thought. I, as an NYCT employee, under no circumstances am charged money to access our bus and subway network. I ride for free. Tell me then, if I were to ride the AirTrain to Howard Beach, how I can get into the subway for free while only playing the $5 AirTrain fare? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 00:58:12 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by Easy on Wed Aug 26 00:43:37 2009. Why is Brian being 100% wrong?At least I'm answering him calmly. He sounds like a parrot repeating himself with his links to what he said several postings back. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Aug 26 01:00:32 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 00:58:12 2009. I haven't made an attempt to follow all of your nonsense in this thread, but unless you changed from this morning IIRC you intentionally changed from discussing the Airtrain exit to the subway exit. You were all mixed up. Is that still the case? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 01:08:31 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 00:50:33 2009. Maybe if YOU never post on any forum that is part of the "SubChat" family of forums ever again I might consider it ...NOT.Knowing you, you'll find some way of finding a loopwhole to get around it. Nor do I think for a moment you'll actually apologine for anything you've said tonight. I got you over the barrow and I'll hold you to it. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 01:34:11 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Aug 26 00:57:30 2009. No, you're wrong. The parking lot is accessible for free from the AirTrain station at Howard Beach.No, you're wrong. From the subway station at Howard Beach, you CAN NOT get to the JFK parking lot. You could take airtrain to Lefferts Blvd. But you'd have to pay $5 to enter Airtrain. You'd have to talk to the TSA people at the station about getting past the Airtrain turnstiles for free. And as I've said, there is no way to get to the parking area from the subway. You pay $5 ONLY if you walk through the fare control passage that leads to the Howard Beach - JFK Airport subway station. In that case, you pay $7.25, including your subway fare. There is NO CHARGE to leave the AirTrain station via ground level to the long-term parking lot. You would pay $5 and $2.25 (total $7.25) if you were to go directly from Airtrain to the subway. Seeing that you say you're a TA employee, You'd still have to pay $5 to enter or leave Airtrain then use your EPIC pass to enter the TA turnstiles for the subway. In other words, you'd have to go thru 2 sets of turnstiles. I'm sure you knew that already. Wait a minute, I just had an interesting thought. I, as an NYCT employee, under no circumstances am charged money to access our bus and subway network. I ride for free. The subway would be free if you have your EPIC pass. But you'd still have to pay $5 for Airtrain. You'd have to talk to the TSA people about skipping the $5 fare. The TA agent can't help you on that. Tell me then, if I were to ride the AirTrain to Howard Beach, how I can get into the subway for free while only playing the $5 AirTrain fare? You got that much right. You'd have to pay the $5 to get out thru the Airtrain turnstile. Then use your EPIC pass to enter thru the TA turnstile to get on the subway. You'd have to go thru 2 turnstiles. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Aug 26 02:55:40 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 01:34:11 2009. We're not talking about going from the Howard Beach - JFK Airport subway station to the long-term parking lot. What we're TRYING to tell you is that you CAN access the long-term parking lot from the Howard Beach AIRTRAIN STATION.Also, IINM, there's only ONE set of turnstiles between the AirTrain station and the subway station, and this ONE set of turnstiles automatically deducts $7.25 from your MetroCard. Therefore, inserting my Pay-Per-Ride MetroCard would deduct $7.25, because the turnstiles don't know I'm an employee, and inserting my employee pass would yield nothing, as it's not valid on AirTrain. This is an interesting thought. I'm going to explore this. |
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Posted by metropod on Wed Aug 26 02:57:43 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 25 23:16:43 2009. oh, so you just drive right through the baracade? |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Aug 26 02:59:25 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 25 23:14:48 2009. I see what you've been saying now. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Wed Aug 26 08:17:57 2009, in response to Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 25 07:22:04 2009. Returning from Fla. at McArthur,It was $5 to the LIRR at Ronkonkoma, then $8.25 to Jamaica, then a short trip on the Babylon line to home. Three hours because I just missed the Ronkonkoma trains that run hourly on the week-ends :-( |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:26:24 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 00:46:31 2009. False, it is a $5 fee to enter the airport property at Howard Beach. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:27:30 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 00:56:46 2009. False, the free exit is open 24/7 to the parking lot, except when there are planned or unplanned service outages, AFAIK. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:28:11 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 01:08:31 2009. I knew you wouldn't accept. You know you're wrong. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Aug 26 08:32:55 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Aug 26 02:55:40 2009. There are turnstiles that let you outside of subway fare control. Otherwise, Airtrain's unlimited and 10-trip Metrocard holders won't be able to get out. Likewise, if you have a subway/bus unlimited Metrocard, you go around that way instead of the $7.25 transfer turnstiles. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:34:48 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 01:34:11 2009. No, you're wrong.No, you are wrong, as we've been telling you all day. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:35:18 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by Easy on Wed Aug 26 01:00:32 2009. haha, no answer from him |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:36:43 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by metropod on Wed Aug 26 02:57:43 2009. no |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:37:37 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Aug 26 02:59:25 2009. I see what you've been saying now. Thank you G1Ravage. Take Pride,
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Posted by transitbuff on Wed Aug 26 10:53:11 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 25 23:14:10 2009. Also worth noting is that there is no direct access to this parking lot/Airtrain entrance from the street(nor from the Q11)! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 26 11:25:15 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 01:34:11 2009. The TSA doesn't patrol Airtrain... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 11:40:20 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 26 11:25:15 2009. you'd think he'd know that from working in that booth..... |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Aug 26 12:53:37 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 25 23:14:10 2009. An exit is an exit, emergency or not. What you're implying is that the exit doesn't exist, when there is photographic evidence to the contrary. Forget abou the fact that particular exit is labeled "Emergency Exit" for a moment. If there's an emergency which requires people to vacate the platform, can the exit be used? The answer should be yes. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Aug 26 12:53:52 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 25 23:14:10 2009. An exit is an exit, emergency or not. What you're implying is that the exit doesn't exist, when there is photographic evidence to the contrary. Forget about the fact that particular exit is labeled "Emergency Exit" for a moment. If there's an emergency which requires people to vacate the platform, can the exit be used? The answer should be yes. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Aug 26 14:53:23 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by transitbuff on Wed Aug 26 10:53:11 2009. That makes sense in a way. The Q11 does not enter airport territory. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 15:14:19 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrai, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Aug 26 12:53:37 2009. Heck, that exit/entrance is used even in non-emergencies sometimes. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 15:35:52 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 26 11:25:15 2009. Just standing around station at Howard Beach answering questions from the customers. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 15:41:28 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrai, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 15:14:19 2009. Only if someone has a bolt cutter to cut the chainand/or a sledge hammer to break the gate. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 15:41:59 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrai, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Aug 26 12:53:37 2009. The exit exists. No doubt of that.But that exit is usually locked. Therefore no one can enter the subway or exit into the parking lot over there. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 15:42:49 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrai, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 15:41:28 2009. False, that exit/entrance is used even in non-emergencies sometimes. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 15:43:16 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrai, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 15:41:59 2009. False, that exit/entrance is used even in non-emergencies sometimes. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 15:43:56 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrai, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Aug 26 12:53:52 2009. The exit can only be used in EMERGENCIES.It is not controled by the agent on doty or actived by customers on the platform. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 15:45:19 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by transitbuff on Wed Aug 26 10:53:11 2009. There is NO access to the parking lot from someone standing in Coleman Square. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 15:48:49 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrai, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 15:42:49 2009. I also said the gate is NOT controlled by the agent on duty at the station or can be activated by customers at the gate. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 15:50:54 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrai, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 15:43:16 2009. The gate controls are in the Supervisior's office on the station.Not in the booth or accessable to a customer at the gate. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 26 16:13:14 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 00:22:18 2009. http://dangr.blogspot.com/2009/05/how-to-walk-out-of-jfk-for-fun-and.htmlhttp://www.panynj.gov/CommutingTravel/airports/pdfs/ken_map_2009.pdf |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 16:17:39 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrai, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 15:43:56 2009. False, that exit/entrance is used even in non-emergencies sometimes. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 16:18:11 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrai, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 15:50:54 2009. False, that exit/entrance is used even in non-emergencies sometimes. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Aug 26 16:18:48 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 25 23:12:38 2009. That's fine, but making it free would lead to complete assymetry in passenger flows. Fine, the HB leg never leaves airport property, but through its interaction with the A train there it creates the same sort of airport access that the Jamaica branch does. It is the trip generation and termination points that are the key in determining whether something is or isn't a circulator. No trip is going to begin on the MTA side of the Airtrain fare control, they're going to come from elsewhere in the city and region. Thus that leg of Airtrain is providing airport access and will thusly be charged as such. In this one case Douce Man is right.The only viable way to provide a free trip from HB to JFK is to also make the JAM to JFK leg free as John suggested. That then brings with it the problem of through-riding passengers and how they'd fit into the city and airport's fare structure. If the fee for Airtrain is distributed amongst all passengers regardless of their use of the system then we may see people find lower fares elsewhere. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 16:19:31 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrai, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Aug 26 15:48:49 2009. False, that exit/entrance is used even in non-emergencies sometimes. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 16:23:53 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 26 16:13:14 2009. no |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 16:26:15 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by WillD on Wed Aug 26 16:18:48 2009. Bookmarked for later when I'll have more time to properly formulate my 1 to 7 word response that may or may not include an HTML link to something I've previously said. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Aug 26 17:12:19 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 16:23:53 2009. 'No'. What a highly refined response. Please detail and explain why you disagree. I simply posted additional information on the subject. short of going out there and paying $5 (or not, depending on what you find) and making multiple photos of the site and provide proof of your own statements, what facts have you offered as evidence that you are in the right? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 26 17:22:13 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Aug 26 02:55:40 2009. question here is,why are you charged 2.25 to leave the station..then another 5 dollars for airtrain? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Aug 26 17:27:34 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:27:30 2009. Proff is not a quote from a Subchat post.Try again. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 26 17:31:59 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 00:22:18 2009. tell the PA about it. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Aug 26 17:32:37 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrai, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 16:18:11 2009. Proff is not a quote from a Subchat post.Try again. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Aug 26 17:33:33 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrai, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 16:17:39 2009. Proff is not a quote from a Subchat post.Try again. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 26 17:35:06 2009, in response to Re: Article: Millions of Passengers Manage to Find the AirTrain, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 26 08:27:30 2009. '-'.... |
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