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Posted by joe c on Mon Aug 24 23:27:07 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Widecab5 on Mon Aug 24 17:16:35 2009. "Depending on when the Option I R-160A/Dash 1's begin to arrive at East New York, it's a guess that the MK R-42's on the J/Z will be around into the summer and fall of 2010. The 9943-9974 group will have CBTC which might make acceptance a tad longer to achieve, at least at first."If that's the case,the R42's from ENY may be the last 60' SMEE cars to retire. til next time |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Aug 25 00:03:10 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 24 21:16:36 2009. Which won't happen because the Euclid Dispatcher already dropped the 1840 to balance for no crew |
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Posted by error46146 on Tue Aug 25 00:06:13 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Aug 24 13:00:38 2009. the a/c on the R32 R train was fine lol |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Aug 25 00:07:28 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Aug 24 13:00:38 2009. Hey Bill, itll be sooner than spring 2010 when the C goes 600 feet....A lot sooner..... |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Aug 25 00:12:09 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 24 07:57:49 2009. wrong |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 25 00:12:44 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by b/p rupture on Mon Aug 24 22:32:15 2009. I flipped burgers from May-August of 1985. Unless you've done that job, you really have no idea of the chaos created when the bun guy sets up Big Macs while the bin chief (analagous to a dispatcher) called for burgers and the grill guys (me and Jimmy R) set up burgers, as directed.And don't ANYBODY tell me that lives weren't on the line! We had to keep those thin meat patties on the grill another 5 minutes. I'd say they were pure carbon by the time we served 'em! |
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Posted by R32_3672 on Tue Aug 25 00:56:38 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 25 00:12:44 2009. My guess that since the Issues of the A/c can be fixed I hope they Last until next fall and the latest but I Really don't care for the R42s. |
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Posted by R160 8818 on Tue Aug 25 01:54:28 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Aug 24 22:14:51 2009. Those R32's will be sticking around for a little longer - I'd say at least another 1-3 months. They don't have much left in their future though. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 25 06:17:17 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by error46146 on Tue Aug 25 00:06:13 2009. Yup but I swaer if another R42 drips on me I am gonna get angry yesterday was the 4th day in a row I was on a drippy R42 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 25 06:35:27 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Aug 25 00:12:09 2009. nope |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 09:38:03 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by R32_3671 on Mon Aug 24 15:36:57 2009. It's time to say goodbye. 45 years is an impressive run. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 09:46:09 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Aug 24 12:47:17 2009. How depressing. I hoped they'd send some to the V so at least you had a puncher's chance at seeing an R46 on the F. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Tue Aug 25 09:51:04 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by arnine on Tue Aug 25 06:17:17 2009. I had an 142 drip on me a few weeks ago. I'm daydreaming just riding along sitting when a stream of water falls on my bag which I had on my lap! The way it looked, it look like someone was standing on the roof of the train and was pissing inside the car, but that was impossble as this happend underground. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Tue Aug 25 09:51:50 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 09:38:03 2009. Agreed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 10:02:38 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Tue Aug 25 09:51:50 2009. Especially when you consider than the R22 never made it to 30 years and most R27's never made it past 30. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 25 10:05:16 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Tue Aug 25 09:51:04 2009. Yuk, but a 142? They are new. I guess a/c's will do that but shouldn't NYCT be fixing them so they don't do that? I understand maybe skipping a little on the old cars but the new ones? Shame on them! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 25 10:19:43 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Aug 25 00:12:09 2009. Headways====> Minutes between trains..Intervals=====>Time a train is leaving. You are right BLE... |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Aug 25 10:22:29 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by arnine on Mon Aug 24 06:10:16 2009. Abandoned Interval. Just like what Railman said. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 25 10:26:39 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 09:38:03 2009. Yep. I love the R32s- they've been great cars and they're good looking to boot. But nobody can say they died prematurely. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 25 10:30:26 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 10:02:38 2009. Also agreed. Quite a number of Post WW2 cars had short carreers- not only the R21/22, 27/30, but look at Dave's site- many R12s were already in work service by the late 1960s, when they were only 20-something years old.And of course, there's the Pre-WW2 Multi-Sections- 24 years (1937-1961). The R32s in fact aren't even gone quite yet...their total service will have been one of the longer ones in subway/elevated history. Only the Standards will have lasted longer, and also,, arguably, the BUs that became Qs... |
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Posted by olivermuc on Tue Aug 25 11:03:17 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Widecab5 on Mon Aug 24 17:16:35 2009. George, thanks for that summary.With Jamaica Yard getting 780 R160 cars in total, there might be a chance of seeing an R-46 on the F from time to time, even with Jamaica's R160 fleet complete. During rush hours, the E and F need 71 trainsets altogether, which leaves only 7 spare sets (only 9% of the R160 fleet), which seems not enough even if the R160's as brand-new cars are doing well... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 25 11:10:09 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 25 10:26:39 2009. They did not die prematurely... BUT there looks were mortally scarred when the were GOH'd. That damn cyclopes eye does nothing for them and the removal of poles and straps was a sacrilege. Still they needed the A/C or they would have left the scene with the 27s and 30s.ROAR |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 25 11:36:38 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Aug 25 10:22:29 2009. Thanks |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Aug 25 12:29:37 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by error46146 on Tue Aug 25 00:06:13 2009. All 10 cars? |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Aug 25 12:31:12 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 09:46:09 2009. They very well may do that. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Aug 25 12:33:01 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Aug 25 00:07:28 2009. Oh those switchmen at 168 will have a longer walk!And they'll use the benchwall too! It will take the road guys longer to do the relay at Euclid becasue there is no benchwall there. And those heavy stormdoors! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 25 12:49:06 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 25 11:10:09 2009. I did not know them in their pre-graffiti days, but I agree with you, they looked better then. But by the late 80s, they needed GOH, as did everything else. And I agree- if A/C hadn't been installed, the 32s woulda been doomed years ago. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 25 13:24:37 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 25 10:30:26 2009. Don't forget the Gibbs Hi-Vs. They lasted 50+ years. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Aug 25 15:17:09 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by irt1958 on Mon Aug 24 09:27:52 2009. They were the reason the E ran R46's last summer. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 15:36:35 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 25 10:30:26 2009. The cars that went early (R21/22, R27) weren't really any worse than their SMEE contemporaries, they were just not included in the massive GOH programs of the late 1980's. All the cars, even the ones in service today, suffered terribly from deferred maintenance which required either a major rebuild or retirement by the time they reached middle age. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 15:37:54 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 25 13:24:37 2009. Which I doubt was intentional. Outside the WF Low-V's, the IRT stopped buying new cars in 1925. It couldn't afford their replacements. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Aug 25 15:51:56 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 09:38:03 2009. Well it's nearing the end of summer, so the next few months the a/c won't be a big deal unless 'Global Warming' changes things for the fall. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 25 16:30:59 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 25 13:24:37 2009. I DID forget about them. Thanks for pointing this out! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 25 16:33:01 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 15:36:35 2009. I agree with you 100%. The R21/22/27s were no worse off, but they went to the torch, while many of their contemporaries (R26, R32, et all) went to GOH.But for reasons right or wrong, it's a fact that the 21/22/27s died early. The 32s have lasted a LONG time. |
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Posted by JFK DEPOT on Tue Aug 25 18:24:17 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by R160 8818 on Tue Aug 25 01:54:28 2009. I was on 3424 on the C train earlier, they need to put this car out of her misery its on its last leg smh........ on the plus side the HVAC was pumpinRIP R32's |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 18:40:11 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 25 16:33:01 2009. The R17/21/22 fleets suffered because they were single units and installing A/C was prohibitive. |
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Posted by MJF on Tue Aug 25 19:18:34 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 25 06:35:27 2009. yep |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Aug 25 19:45:48 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Aug 25 15:51:56 2009. But it stays very hot underground well into Novemeber. Plus with crowded cars, the a/c units can work hard right till around Thanksgiving. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 25 20:12:15 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 25 16:30:59 2009. How old were the 1300 series BUs when they were replaced by the Qs in 1958? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 25 20:14:58 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 18:40:11 2009. There were 10 R-17s with factory installed A/C but it didn't work very well and the A/C units were subsequently replaced with fans. Also the H & M class K cars some of which were single units also had A/C which did work well. |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Tue Aug 25 20:18:43 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 25 20:14:58 2009. The R42's are Rolling Trash, The R32's can outlast those cars, If the TA makes the R42's last instead of the R32's, That would be a Big Mistake. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 20:21:08 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 25 20:14:58 2009. IIRC the museum R15 was also retrofitted with experimental A/C.The MTA really dragged it's feet with A/C, it was viable long before they ordered the R40's. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 25 20:32:53 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 25 20:14:58 2009. Was 6609 one of them? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 25 20:39:36 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 25 15:37:54 2009. Had it not been for WWII, chances are replacements would have been on the way sooner. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 25 21:04:35 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Widecab5 on Mon Aug 24 17:16:35 2009. That, of course assumes that all SMEEs will be purged from Queens Blvd before R-46s begin to migrate over to the Charlie. That's a pretty big assumption. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 25 21:05:12 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Aug 25 00:12:09 2009. Absolutely wrong |
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Posted by terrapin station on Tue Aug 25 21:15:13 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by MJF on Tue Aug 25 19:18:34 2009. nope |
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Posted by terrapin station on Tue Aug 25 21:17:29 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 25 10:19:43 2009. same thing. if it is 5 minute headways and one train gets abandoned and nothing is done to correct it, that entire headway is skipped. so now its 10 minutes. furthermore, i clarified in another posting immediately following my first posting. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Aug 25 21:24:12 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Aug 25 19:45:48 2009. True. Are there settings on the a/c like high/medium/low? Or just on/off? |
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Posted by MJF on Tue Aug 25 21:25:00 2009, in response to Re: R32 How long, posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 25 21:05:12 2009. Incredibly wrong. |
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