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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 14 07:22:55 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:25:06 2009.

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There is talk of a direct to GCT train from the Waterbury branch ...

What, bar talk?

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:32:18 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 22:38:47 2009.

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Do you want to see how "significant" your Hampton's weekday passenger loads are?
Here's a list of LIRR station ridership from some years back. I forgot what year it is, but it was quite a while ago, but I am sure it hasn't changed much:

SUFFOLK COUNTY:
Huntington 4,628
Babylon 3,245
Sayville 557
Islip 353
Deer Park 1,809
Speonk 66
Hampton Bays 15
Kings Park 858
Amagansett 3
Southold 9
Amityville 759
Quogue 0
Montauk 5
Mattituck 8
Westhampton 8
Greenport 3
Southampton 7
Bellport 10
Great River 79
Riverhead 7
Holtsville 4
Yaphank 5
Patchogue 464
Smithtown 485
Center Moriches 11
Bridgehampton 10
Southampton Campus 0
East Hampton 15
Oakdale 156
Medford 15
St. James 211
Central Islip 1,510
Cold Spring Harbor 1,036
Mastic-Shirley 243
Northport 1,035
Bay Shore 450
Wyandanch 1,353
Brentwood 1,144
Grenlawn 415
Copiague 966
Port Jefferson 358
Stony Brook 332
Lindenhurst 1,274
Ronkonkoma 5,403


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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:35:21 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:32:18 2009.

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I believe this list was from 1997, but it's the most recent I have. Some station's ridership has gone up, such as Bellport, and also some of the 1998 abandoned stations are still on it. But nothing has changed in the Hamptons that would have changed the ridership all that much from this.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 07:37:30 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 23:12:42 2009.

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I don't have to go back three years, your posts in this thread are enough to show that you haven't changed much. You still claim that demand exists where there is almost none.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:37:43 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:35:21 2009.

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Oh, and they are MORNING boardership counts.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:43:27 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 23:24:44 2009.

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The "weekender" being a big part of The Hamptons is something Osmosis isn't understanding in this.
There is no big ridership out in the Hamptons doing the "commuter grind" like the rest of Long Island. most of those people LIVE in Manhattan, not the Hamptons.
Most Hamptons station's morning peak passenger loads are less than some of the North Fork east of Ronkonkoma numbers! Those stations more than make up for that with the summer crowds, Friday night eastbounds, weekend, and Sunday night westbounds, but our conversation is about weekday commuter trains.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 07:43:54 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:32:18 2009.

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Riverhead 7

Scratches head...

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:47:12 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 22:43:49 2009.

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I doubt most of the Outlet shoppers are using the Riverhead train station in Downtown to get to the Outlet Center, especially with the dismal service to Riverhead. They really should however add a Tanger Outlet Center station next to the Outlet Center there, the tracks run right next to it. In fact, perhaps the same could be done in Deer Park for Tanger II, which is also next to the tracks. The stations paid for by Tanger of course however. I think if there was more frequent service to Riverhead anyway (which of course is speculative), an Outlet Center station would do well (and you wouldn't have the vagrants)! I do agree, since Riverhead's passenger count is so low, the paying passengers at it's station is probably less than the vagrants there.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:49:19 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Apr 13 23:50:08 2009.

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The worst of it is through Rocky Point. Those house's backyards REALLy are on the ROW.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:50:19 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Apr 14 01:33:59 2009.

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Yeah, you would like seeing that wouldn't you.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:52:27 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 14 07:22:55 2009.

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Only on New Haven Bar cars!

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:53:34 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 07:43:54 2009.

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Really, all jokes aside, Riverhead is a big town, a rural version of Patchogue.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 08:22:12 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:53:34 2009.

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I think I know what you mean. But you can't really be a big town and rural at the same time. lol.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 08:58:16 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 08:22:12 2009.

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The thing with Riverhead is that it's neither suburban nor rural anymore, which gives it the look it has. Until as little as 10 years ago, it was still basically a farming community. It was a rural farming town. Picture bigger towns in other rural areas, like Rutland, Vermont, or places upstate. Rural areas are often "scraggy" looking if you think of them like you do suburban areas. The problem with Riverhead is that suburbanization has begun to creep in more and more each year, but it's still has it's somewhat rural look mixed in, which makes it look bad. It's problem is that it's a rural area that's losing it's ruralness but it's trying to be suburban, and it's not quite there yet either.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Apr 14 09:26:30 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 14:40:58 2009.

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Speonk is where commuter territory really ends and where the yard is.

Patchogue is a better candidate as the end of commuter territory.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Apr 14 09:30:49 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 14 07:22:55 2009.

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There is talk of a direct to GCT train from the Waterbury branch ...

What, bar talk?

As of about five years ago, the morning train from Waterbury was averaging maybe 30 to 40 riders, and it's a reasonable assumption that some of them were going to intermediate destinations like Bridgeport or Stamford rather than GCT. Far too few to make a direct train a workable idea.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 14 09:39:50 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Apr 14 09:30:49 2009.

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If it's a train that simply starts in Waterbury and then becomes a regular MN train at Stratford or Bridgeport, fine, but if it's this express train from Derby on, forget it lol. The train crew would outnumber the passengers.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Apr 14 09:40:27 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:47:12 2009.

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They really should however add a Tanger Outlet Center station next to the Outlet Center there, the tracks run right next to it. In fact, perhaps the same could be done in Deer Park for Tanger II, which is also next to the tracks.

There are shuttle buses from Deer Park station to the new Tanger center. I don't know who pays for the service, probably the center.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Hart Bus on Tue Apr 14 10:21:31 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 12:59:53 2009.

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I am not an anti-LIRR Nimby. I have been waiting 30 years for the electrification and its possible adding to the value of my house. While I don't take the train to NYC anymore, I did so about 1-2 times a week years ago.

With electrification would come more frequent service and double tracking to PJ.

When McGiver said that the funds were to go to the KO branch I was disappointed but understood that with limited dollars, you have to use them for the greater good. It was also claimed at that time that Islip/MacArthur Airport was going to relocate the passenger terminal to the north side of the field so that you would get on a "people mover" or walk a small distance to the station. That never happened was a great idea to take the pressure of JFK and LGA.

To put the railyard at Lake Road would be to destroy a beautiful view of an open field. What about the noise from the idling motors as well as the additional traffic that the train crews generate. You are talking about a change in lifestyle.

Also by putting it there, what's the incentive to electrify further east to Smithown or PJ?

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 11:45:48 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Hart Bus on Tue Apr 14 10:21:31 2009.

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I am not an anti-LIRR Nimby.

I think that all of the rational people in this topic know that. No defense needed. I just wanted to publicly express my disagreement with the pejorative lobbed at you for looking at the big picture of actually encouraging LIRR to complete electrification on the branch.

With electrification would come more frequent service and double tracking to PJ.

Yes. The latter might lag quite a few years (look at the Main Line to KO), but the first would happen right away of course.

Also by putting it there, what's the incentive to electrify further east to Smithown or PJ?

Indeed - I think that's the biggest point, except that the branch really has to be totally electrified, to Port Jefferson. That would eliminate the yard problem and take care of Stony Brook simultaneously.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 11:59:01 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:11:36 2009.

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Then it all comes down to how many Manhattan-bound buses there are during the rush hours, and what the typical load of those buses are compared to how many people a C3 car can hold.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 14 12:00:54 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 22:07:35 2009.

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Still, fumigation, crossing over....not a good place to terminate.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 14 12:05:01 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Apr 13 19:09:10 2009.

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And there's little parking room in Brewster (the station itself can only platform 4 cars).

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 12:05:28 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:37:43 2009.

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That is pretty low, but I still have to point out how much the ridership changes between Westhampton and Speonk, where more convenient peak service is located.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 12:05:56 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 07:37:30 2009.

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I don't have to go back three years, your posts in this thread are enough to show that you haven't changed much.

That doesn't mean much coming from a dick rider like you, I could honestly care less if you think that I changed or not.

You still claim that demand exists where there is almost none.

Because there is demand (note how you said "almost none"), which is what I've been telling you but you're so busy doing your typical lame low blows that you can't even understand that.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 12:09:56 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:47:12 2009.

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Most Tanger Riverhead shoppers that get there by the LIRR get there by a bus from Ronkonkoma, but the LIRR should also encourage riders to use the Riverhead station to get to Tanger too by running the shuttle buses there in addition to Ronkonkoma. The major issue is then how riders are going to be coaxed to Riverhead over Ronkonkoma.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 12:14:34 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:11:36 2009.

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A bus is not a trainload of people.

Where the bus is actually more than a trainload of people is on the North Fork. But that's mostly due to the convenience of the bus schedule by Hampton Jitney compared to LIRR's service to Greenport, or as LIRR thinks of it, the official ass end of the railroad universe.

That said, I personally prefer the train, even though it requires catching it or basically waiting for the next day. I can read on the train, but I find the bouncing and vibrating of any bus not to my liking (the 1980s MCI Classics might have been the sole exception to this). If they're running scheduled bustitution, then I would just grab the bus all the way.

The other trouble with the train is that contrary to the usual image of a speeding train, the run to Greenport isn't. It's more like 85 minutes to go 45 miles, or something like a bit over 30 mph average speed.



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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 12:20:42 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:43:27 2009.

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There is no big ridership out in the Hamptons doing the "commuter grind" like the rest of Long Island.

Then how does the Hampton Jitney do so well out there, maybe it's because the train is slower or isn't as convenient as the Jitney.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 14 12:21:23 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 12:05:56 2009.

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By demand, I think he means significant demand. You admit that there is not significant demand. Since there is not significant demand, that means that you can not use it to help the argument you were making. In other words, since the demand is insignificant, it is as if it is zero in the context of the point you were trying to make. I believe he feels that you do not understand that, since when he states that there is no (significant) demand in the context of the discussion, you keep bringing up the (insignificant) demand that really isn't relevant.

That's just how I see it. Carry on.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 12:28:40 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 12:20:42 2009.

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Then how does the Hampton Jitney do so well out there, maybe it's because the train is slower or isn't as convenient as the Jitney.

Hampton Jitney is a one-seat ride, especially for people living on the East Side. (If, e.g., LIRR ran the Cannonball out of GCT, ridership would spike, or so I hold - let me add that the connectivity doesn't lend itself to this ever happening, and I'm just giving an example of something that would entice your 'Hamptons commuter'). It also tends to leave people closer to their ultimate destination on the east end than LIRR does. Not sure about the South Fork service, but for the North Fork, the bus tended to run more expensive. It's also better for people who care to learn nothing about LIRR and its operations.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 12:30:14 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 14 12:21:23 2009.

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That's because there wasn't really any proof of whether the demand was significant or not until Chris posted those AM ridership numbers, and that was after Wado started his usual low blow campaign against me.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 12:34:48 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 14 12:00:54 2009.

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I agree, I am SURE the LIRR visited the idea, but deemed it not a good idea.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 14 12:34:53 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 12:30:14 2009.

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I haven't read the posts you are talking about, but my guess would be that Wado felt the ridership numbers/guesses/statements that he and/or others were posting before the proff were good enough and should have been trusted by you since either they are common sense or came from a reliable person here.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 12:41:18 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 12:30:14 2009.

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That's because there wasn't really any proof of whether the demand was significant or not

You have the reports of people who have rode out there and who have knowledge of ridership patterns, which while they can't establish more precise ranges of numbers, can clearly establish whether ridership is significant or not. I don't need to consult ridership data to know that, e.g., Amagansett ridership isn't significant, and that Great Neck ridership is.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 12:45:38 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 12:34:48 2009.

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I agree, I am SURE the LIRR visited the idea, but deemed it not a good idea.

Yes.

I think that AEM7AC #901's thought about a layup track and reconfiguration would make the idea very feasible.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Apr 14 12:48:28 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 12:28:40 2009.

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Isn't riding the Hamptons Jitney also sort of a social thing? A way to meet chix, that sort of thing.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 12:52:41 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 11:45:48 2009.

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Indeed - I think that's the biggest point, except that the branch really has to be totally electrified, to Port Jefferson. That would eliminate the yard problem and take care of Stony Brook simultaneously.


I think one of their thoughts on the yard further west was the idea that Huntington service really needs a yard. Deadheading cars from Hillside to Huntington is almost absurd.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 12:54:23 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Apr 14 09:30:49 2009.

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I don't understand that they don't have the one direct diesel from Greenport go through to at least Jamaica. Why can't they have one diesel making a few Ronkonkoma stops along the way to make that a through train?

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 12:55:44 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 11:59:01 2009.

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One LIRR double decker train can hold MANY bus loads of people. Where are the stats for how many rush hour Manhattan Jitneys there are each way? I am sure there aren't some large amount by any stretch.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 12:57:08 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 12:14:34 2009.

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Where the bus is actually more than a trainload of people is on the North Fork. But that's mostly due to the convenience of the bus schedule by Hampton Jitney compared to LIRR's service to Greenport

That's exactly it. While east of Speonk rush hoiur service isn't all that great, the Ronkonkoma to Greenport train service is basically useless and unusable because of the horrid frequency.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 12:58:27 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 12:05:28 2009.

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That is pretty low, but I still have to point out how much the ridership changes between Westhampton and Speonk, where more convenient peak service is located.


And you still don't understand that west of Westhampton and Speonk is where the "Hamptons Vacation Home" area ends. The stations west of there begin to be busier because you actually have more commuters living there.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 12:59:25 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Apr 14 12:48:28 2009.

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Isn't riding the Hamptons Jitney also sort of a social thing? A way to meet chix, that sort of thing.

I think that's right. At least on the South Fork trips.

The North Fork lasses weren't lookers.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 13:04:13 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Apr 14 12:48:28 2009.

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You are somewhat correct. Also, many of these "rich" people, which make up a big amount of the Hampton's or North Fork people wouldn't be caught dead on a train because they think it's beneath them.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 13:04:44 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 12:58:27 2009.

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And you still don't understand that west of Westhampton and Speonk is where the "Hamptons Vacation Home" area ends. The stations west of there begin to be busier because you actually have more commuters living there.

Lol, I've always understood that...

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 14 13:07:34 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 13:04:13 2009.

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many of these "rich" people, which make up a big amount of the Hampton's or North Fork people wouldn't be caught dead on a train because they think it's beneath them

Maybe they need to bring back the obs car.



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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 13:12:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 12:41:18 2009.

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I've ridden out there myself a couple of times, I know that Montauk most likely doesn't have as much ridership as Hicksville purely based on observation. However, it was hard for me to believe what was being said because from my observation, the Montauk branch east of Speonk gets decent ridership, and I know that the Hampton Jitney which is basically the LIRR's biggest competition out there must also get good ridership based on my observation.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 13:22:45 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 12:59:25 2009.

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Yeah, I think that is true. While there is some really rich rich locations on the South Fork, the South Fork is more "partyesque". The north fork also has some pricey locations too, but it's much "quieter". it's not the Hamptons scene.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 13:25:10 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Apr 14 09:26:30 2009.

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Correct. Suburbanization has basically been pushed from Route 112 to William Floyd Parkway at this point, but commuter terriroty basically ends along the ROute 112 corridor.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 13:26:10 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 12:28:40 2009.

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Alright that makes sense.

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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 13:27:45 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 12:09:56 2009.

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The major issue is then how riders are going to be coaxed to Riverhead over Ronkonkoma.

Well, I would think convenient train service would be the way. And one train in each direction per day isn't going to do it.

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