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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:18:05 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 19:59:53 2009. I was looking for a different kind of answer like maybe a "Yes" or "No". |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 20:18:16 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:31:17 2009. Not unless NJ Transit wouldn't mind using LIRR equipment for the NEC and NJCL regular runs. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:20:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 20:01:40 2009. Well I know that in Deer Park and Bethpage, plenty of the construction workers take the Railroad. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:20:31 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:22:34 2009. You don't know the story. "Hart Bus'" location was one of about FIVE proposed sites for the yard. One was in Kings Park. One was in Greenlawn. Two sites were in Smithtown, and I forgot where the other one was. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Apr 13 20:20:43 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 19:57:46 2009. We are not SEPTA.Yes, we can do better. :-) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 20:32:00 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:20:22 2009. From Riverhead? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:37:53 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 20:32:00 2009. Not really, the Railroad's poor service to Riverhead from those two stations make it unattractive to them. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:37:58 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:27:04 2009. I think there is/was a wye at Babylon in the yard, but don't know for sure, and if it did, whether or not it's still there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:39:06 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:24:30 2009. Or they can bring back the old Manorville branch (ROW still intact) and just run the old Greenport to Montauk train! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:39:53 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 19:51:28 2009. Well, all jokes aside, there have been plans for a railroad bridge across the sound to Connecticut via Greenport in the past..... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 20:40:28 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:04:12 2009. Even if my sample were limited to that one family, which it isn't, it would be a better sample than the 100 or so M3 cars that you personally interviewed before you posted. When you talked to them, did you remember to talk directly to the control handle so it could read your lips? |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 20:41:14 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 19:47:27 2009. It's too hard to tell legal immigrants from illegal ones and too easy for illegal ones to become legal ones. But that's pretty much the way this country has worked. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:42:37 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 20:01:40 2009. Correct, that's the point. Traffic between Riverhead and "Central Islip" is not all that bad, even at rush hours. And in addition, construction people usually need their tools, equipment, etc, which would be next to impossible to drag onto a train. Furthermore, what do they do once they get to the "Central Islip" (or fill in a station) station to get to their construction site (without their tools no less)? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 20:42:42 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:39:53 2009. And people will think about it in the future. It's worth considering (I don't know if it's worth building) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:44:20 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:37:53 2009. No, train travel for construction workers that need to lug around tools, equipment, and parts make it unattractive for them.And car travel is easy between Riverhead and places like Brentwood, Central Islip, etc. It's only west of there where it becomes crowded on the roads to any real extent. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 20:46:52 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:37:53 2009. So they have nothing to do with Riverhead. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 20:47:24 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:44:20 2009. "No, train travel for construction workers that need to lug around tools, equipment, and parts make it unattractive for them."That must be why construction workers lugging hand tools routinely used Metro-North trains to reach Manhattan over the years. Hint: Larger tools and parts are supplied by the contractor on site. The most important thing a construction worker brings with him/her is...him/her. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:47:43 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:55:16 2009. Why don't they just take the train FROM the Hamptons?And "The Hamptons" is not full of "Commuters". Most of those "Hamptons" people you speak of are weekends/summer/vacation home residents who reside in Manhattan, and only come out to "The Hamptons" weekends, etc. You don't have some huge amount of "The Hamptons" commuters. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 20:48:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Apr 13 18:44:20 2009. BTW, if anything, the LIRR should really contemplate advancing some of the third track work around Mineola to build an island platform to allow for Oyster Bay shuttles in lieu of running to Jamaica off-peak.This is a good point. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 20:49:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Apr 13 18:44:20 2009. Agreed |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:51:18 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 20:46:52 2009. I thought that we were talking about blue collar workers in general now, but if you want to change the subject I never thought they did, I'm just using them as a point to prove that blue collar workers do take the railroad as it's cheaper. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 20:51:47 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:42:37 2009. "And in addition, construction people usually need their tools, equipment, etc, which would be next to impossible to drag onto a train."Workers using Metro-North did it routinely. Of course, the LIRR setup in your living room doesn't allow that. The signs on the platform read, "No construction tools." Do the micro-dudes who ride your version of LIRR write to the commuter council about the policy? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:52:40 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 13 20:03:36 2009. I've been away from trains for longer than that. It's quite a strain on me . . .Believe me, you and me both. I used to use the subway a lot but lately have been driving, even when in Manhattan, but that's just because of stuff I have been doing that involved lugging a lot of stuff around. For example, my girlfreind has been getting used to going grocery shopping, etc using my car instead of dragging stuff on the subway, lol.... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 20:52:42 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:51:18 2009. And you would be correct. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:52:53 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:47:43 2009. Why don't they just take the train FROM the Hamptons?It might not be convenient to them, there's only one Hamptons-NY train during the rush hours each direction and they both seem to cater strictly to people who work 9-5 jobs, but what about the "6-2", "7-3", or "8-4" guys? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:54:06 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:42:37 2009. Lol you make it seem like they carry their tools around in wagons or something, the answer is simple, they put their tools in backpacks... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:55:29 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 20:40:28 2009. Even if my sample were limited to that one family, which it isn't, it would be a better sample than the 100 or so M3 cars that you personally interviewed before you posted. When you talked to them, did you remember to talk directly to the control handle so it could read your lips?You couldn't resist could you Ron. It was going so well too....a nice adult debate and conversation for most of the thread, and then you had to go and spoil it, and have your true colors come out. Again, my mistake for trying to debate and have a conversation like an adult with someone that acts like a 5 year old. And for the record, I haven't been on an M3 in perhaps 8 years, or probably longer. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:55:59 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 19:57:46 2009. Why would we have to be "SEPTA" to extend LIRR trains one stop west during some game days? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 21:01:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:54:22 2009. And even better reasons to extend the juice there.Remember that third rail is LIRR's mode of electrification, so that means a costly substation every few miles. Electrifying by third rail to Riverhead and beyond would be nice, no doubt. But it is the lowest priority in terms of electrification. Also, the area around LIRR's Riverhead station may be the most decrepit of all of the areas around any of their stations. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 21:04:28 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:16:59 2009. For profile of Mastic-Shirley check out NYT real estate section from 2 weekends ago. Area is demographically white (mostly) and hispanic (large minority). |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 21:05:39 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:11:00 2009. Yes this sounds much closer to the mark! I think that the Hispanic population is probably growing at a faster rate, to be sure. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 13 21:08:04 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:11:00 2009. The synagogue in Shirley is the Shirley Temple. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:11:39 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:16:59 2009. You couldn't be further from the truth. The stats I posted mirror my experience there. Perhaps you were in the one small area of Mastic that may be black. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:13:26 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 21:04:28 2009. Of the three communities, Mastic Beach and Shirley is OVERWHELMINGLY white.....Shirley is like 90%, Mastic Beach about 88% White, and Mastic is about 50% white, but that's only because it's about 25% Hispanic there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:14:31 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 21:05:39 2009. That is the mark. Those are 2000 census statistics, and it hasn't flipped all that much. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:15:42 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 13 21:08:04 2009. Believe me.....not many Jewish people in Shirley.....the place looks like Roseanne's holiday Christmas Nightmare there at night in December...... "Salt of the earth" people seem to love tacky Christmas decorations, lol..... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:17:32 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:20:52 2009. I agree. This has been a very fun, non flaming, and informative on topic thread. I also was "stuck" here for about 90% of my SubChat time today, as I found it so interesting, and lots of fun. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 21:18:09 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:55:59 2009. SEPTA basically does what's been advocated here, "run through" from one side (Reading) to the other (PRR). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 21:19:53 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 20:41:14 2009. No, it's not. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:19:59 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 20:48:22 2009. I am surprised they never relegated the Oyster Beach branch to a "change at Mineola" shuttle during the day. If anything, it shouldn't matter whether they change to a Penn Station train at Mineola or Oyster bay. the only thing would be the current set up couldn't have an across the platform transfer, but instead a same platform transfer. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 21:20:15 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:55:29 2009. Don't waste your time unless you want some extra exercise on your typing fingers. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Apr 13 21:21:04 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:10:52 2009. Ronkonkoma was only built with a small island platform! (the current middle platform). WIthin about 3-4 years, they saw what had happened, and quickly added the two outer platforms, expanded the lots, etc. Later the multi level garage came, and FURTHER expansion of the lots. And even with all that, there are still cars parked all over the grass, along the woods outside the lot, and everywhere, it's utter mayhem at Ronkonkoma.It's less mayhem-ish today than it was a couple of years ago. Back then, if I drove to the station to get the 7:32 to Penn, I'd have to park close to the woods on the east end of the big southside lot. Today I can park several rows closer to the platform. Of course, the reason for this lack of crowding is scarcely a good reason. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:23:49 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:51:18 2009. I'm just using them as a point to prove that blue collar workers do take the railroad as it's cheaper.It's not cheaper if you are taveling from a place like Riverhead to let's say "Central Islip". It's probably faster and cheaper to take your car, even rush hours, as traffic to and from Riverhead is not all that bad. It's only west of about Islip that road traffic becomes unbarable at rush hours. Also, you haven't addressed how the people are getting from the "Central Islip" train station to the work site. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 21:24:01 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:17:32 2009. RoninBayside shot some rhetorical jizz on other sections of this thread, but for the most part it's been on topic and interesting. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:25:01 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 20:51:47 2009. Of course, the LIRR setup in your living room doesn't allow that. The signs on the platform read, "No construction tools."What? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:26:28 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:52:53 2009. there's only one Hamptons-NY train during the rush hours each direction and they both seem to cater strictly to people who work 9-5 jobs, but what about the "6-2", "7-3", or "8-4" guys?And much of those Hamptons people are vacation/weekend/summer residents who LIVE in Manhattan. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 21:26:50 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 20:48:22 2009. Meh. OB riders probably like the faster trip the current service provides, and there's significant Mineola-Jamaica ridership. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:27:31 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 21:01:22 2009. Also, the area around LIRR's Riverhead station may be the most decrepit of all of the areas around any of their stations.Oh come on, it's not "that" bad....... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 21:28:48 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:27:31 2009. It reminds me of Jamaica....complete with courthouses. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Apr 13 21:29:06 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 19:30:42 2009. On the rare occasions I've taken trains from Penn to Ronkonkoma before the main afternoon rush hour, for example ones leaving around 4 to 4:30, I've noticed many guys who look like construction workers. They're undoubtedly on very early morning Penn-bound trains too.My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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