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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 00:59:15 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:59:20 2008. Down with Kalamangas! They are all snifters! We need to pashtify them immediately! No mercy will be shown these refervators!There, the thread now has an insult. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Jan 11 04:38:06 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jan 10 13:41:58 2008. Walking through a train punching tickets ain't exactly brain surgery. |
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Posted by MJF on Fri Jan 11 05:11:21 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:59:20 2008. Someone seemed to take the day off from the on-topic board. ;-) |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jan 11 06:56:41 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Russ on Fri Jan 11 00:17:30 2008. Well, here would be a good idea IMO, extend NJT trains from Hoboken to the WTC along with Flatbush Avenue trains to the WTC, and you have an excellent transportation hub, along with more reasons to ride the Flatbush Avenue line over the Penn Station line. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jan 11 07:06:37 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 22:22:31 2008. They're finally going to work on it? About time, that rusty el rumbles so loudly even when you're on the train and when you're on a M7 over that el you'll feel like you're about to fall off for a couple of seconds/minutes.I agree with more convenient access to Vanderbilt, but that would be impossible IIRC unless a loop is built west of the station. Here's a comment on the scenario currently during the weekends, Far Rockaway trains are scheduled to leave Flatbush Avenue on the weekends around the same time Hempstead trains arrive Flatbush Avenue, and since they usually use their own separate platforms (Far Rockaway uses Platform A/Tracks 1 & 2, or the northernmost platform, Hempstead uses Platform B/Tracks 3 & 4, or the second from the northernmost platform), the Hempstead train being late creates a "ripple effect" making that Far Rockaway train late. I don't think it's currently possible to straighten the platforms without major work being done, although Platform A is cut off on the eastern end for some odd reason. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jan 11 07:09:37 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:38:23 2008. No, I just think that peak trains to Oyster Bay from Flatbush Avenue would get a lot of ridership seeing the amount of people on that line that change at Jamaica for Flatbush Avenue trains (probably heading towards Lower Manhattan). Off-peak, the Hempstead line can stay here, but instead of Far Rockaway service, I just think there should be service to a line that people from here actually want to go to to boost ridership during that period. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jan 11 07:12:06 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:36:21 2008. Most of the riders from East New York head from the (L) train or walk to a bus at Broadway Junction/Alabama Avenue. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jan 11 07:15:55 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:17:20 2008. I think it's the subway's fault, when I went west of Beach 116th Street for the first time, I was "WTF doesn't the rest of the peninsula look like this"? |
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Posted by Fytton on Fri Jan 11 07:35:11 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jan 11 07:15:55 2008. 'I think it's the subway's fault,'Only as an indirect and uninitentional way, surely. One the double fare was gone, you could travel right into the city from Far Roackaway for the base fare. That made the area feasible as a place of residence for poorer people, and because it is so remote, land prices weren't high either. I don't suppose the NYCTA actually intended that to happen when they took the line over from the LIRR. The area where one would expect improvement is the part just east of Hammels Wye, where, rather than down-market homes as you see in Far Rockaway, there is essentially nothing there at all a lot of the way. What a waste of a waterfront! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 07:39:50 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Fytton on Fri Jan 11 07:35:11 2008. The area where one would expect improvement is the part just east of Hammels Wye, where, rather than down-market homes as you see in Far Rockaway, there is essentially nothing there at all a lot of the way. What a waste of a waterfront!What is so amazing is that unlike Rockaway, on most of Long Island (which of course Brooklyn and Queens are a part of), the closer you get to the water, the more expensive it becomes. Long Island along the water in many spots has some of the most expensive real estate in the world, yet somehow this area has not only remained poor, but actually desolate. It's a real mystery. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 08:06:20 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 00:56:23 2008. Yes, I agree. Judging by trainloads, they don't need to do it more than that. Less would be bad, but more is not necessary either. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 08:08:25 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jan 11 07:15:55 2008. How in the world is it the subway's fault?By the way, Beach 116th was always the business district, but the area by the Beach 105th station, and Beach 98th, etc was once much more desolate. It got a little built up over the last decade or two. When the Playland site was still vacant, it looked like a bomb went off along that end of the Rockaway line. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 08:12:40 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jan 11 07:12:06 2008. Yeah, I used to use it from the L too when I would have business, or visiting people I know in Ridgewood. It was great to use that station instead of Jamaica. I would take the M to Wyckoff, and then the L to Atlantic, and with less than a 1/4 of the time it would take me to get to Jamaica from the M train, I would already have the LIRR at ENY. I used it often. |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Fri Jan 11 09:09:42 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Jan 10 21:28:36 2008. Maybe off-topic, but why IS it that every shopping center is referred to as a MALL, even when it isn't?! A mall has enclosed passageways onto which the stores open, and it's possible to go from store to store without going outside.A shopping center is a group of stores linked together by a sidewalk abutting a parking lot. It can be one strip of stores, or two or three strips at perpendicular angles. The shopping center on Mott Avenue in Far Rock fits this description. Yonkers' Cross County Shopping Center is a group of detached buildings, each of which contains one or more stores. The parking lot surrounds the entire complex. All connections between stores and buildings must be made via outside sidewalks and passageways. Yet, it's constantly referred to as a MALL. The New Atlas Park 'Lifestyle Center' also seems to fit this description. (If I ever go there, it would be by bus. Bad enough the genuine malls in Queens, Brooklyn, Jersey City and White Plains force you to pay to park for the purpose of spending money there; so does Atlas, which is served by two bus lines and no subway or railroad!) Obviously, 'mall' is a more desirable marketing term than 'shopping center'. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Jan 11 09:25:22 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Howard Fein on Fri Jan 11 09:09:42 2008. Well now I don't know. The Bergen Mall in Paramus NJ was built as open, not enclosed, and it has always been called a mall. And what about the term strip mall? So, I don't know if your definition is correct.BTW, I have never refered to that dump in Yonkers as a Mall. I can barely call it a shopping center. Shit hole that it is. |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Fri Jan 11 09:30:24 2008, in response to Re: Charming Conductor and unpreparted passengeHow the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 10 11:28:58 2008. Funny, but the actions of this conducturess sound identical to tactics imposed by similarly attractive female passengers on male conductors, when offering excuses as to why they not buy their tickets prior to boarding the train."Oh, the machine wasn't working." "Oh, I had trouble getting a space." "Oh, the line at the machine/convenience store was long." "Oh, my ride got me to the station too late." "Oh, I didn't know about the penalty." "Oh, I didn't know there was a machine." This is usually accompanied by shrugging, winsome smiling, batting of eyes and hair-tossing. And from my observations, it always results in the conductor NOT imposing the penalty but a mild admonition: "Well, I'm supposed to charge extra, but if it's just this once-" These tactics also seem to work for 'forgotten' monthlies. And if she's backtracking because she missed her station in a different zone (inattentiveness, having boarded express in error) but doesn't want to pay for the ticket from Babylon to Massapequa. What's surprising about your anecdote is that both male AND female conductors will cut female passengers slack. Male conductors might have be flirted into submission; female conductors might do so out of solidarity. But when is a MALE passenger ever cut slack? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 09:35:34 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Howard Fein on Fri Jan 11 09:09:42 2008. I don't think the term mall specifically applies only to indoor shopping centers. I have seen it to refer to Outlet Malls, etc, many times outside. And as someone else said, "Strip Mall" is used all the time.But yes, they are "usually" closed. Here's what freedictionary.com says: 1. A large, often enclosed shopping complex containing various stores, businesses, and restaurants usually accessible by common passageways. 2. A street lined with shops and closed to vehicles. 3. A shady public walk or promenade. 4. Chiefly Upstate New York See median strip. See Regional Note at neutral ground |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 09:39:52 2008, in response to Re: Charming Conductor and unpreparted passengeHow the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Howard Fein on Fri Jan 11 09:30:24 2008. Males will NEVER get off. I agree with you completely, and have seen it just as you say.Women usually can put on the "dumb blonde" routine (even if not blonde, haha) and can get off using that. I have seen it. There is nothing a male can do that would be as effective. |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Fri Jan 11 09:43:06 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 19:54:46 2008. The elimination of Zones 5 and 6 simplified the fare structure in Nassau. The Babylon line had three different zones between RVC and Massapequa Park; likewise the Oyster Bay east of Albertson. Hicksville was in Zone 6 but Syosset and Bethpage were in 7. This probably contributed even further to congestion at Hicksville, which was already more attractive by virtue of more service. (The electrification of the Ronkonkoma Line probably also encouraged more patronage at Bethpage, which helped relieve the pressure at Hicksville.)The consolidation of zones in Nassau did hurt those at the western extremities of the old Zone 5/new Zone 7. I remember people who used RVC complaining they had to pay the same as those who used Massapequa Park. Likewise Carle Place-Syosset/Farmingdale; Albertson-Oyster Bay. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jan 11 09:58:52 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 23:19:27 2008. Medford and Yaphank would both see much better use if those stations had some sort of usable service. It so underseved that it's beyond me.I'm not so sure about that. As noted, many riders have tremendous resistance to changing trains. Look at the way people who live much closer to Montauk or Port Jefferson line stations (which do have adequate service) will drive long distances to Ronkonkoma, just so they won't have to drag their suit-covered anii ten feet across the platforms at Jamaica/Babylon/Huntington. The fact that they will have to walk sometimes many hundreds of feet from the parking areas at Ronkonkoma, well somehow that's okay. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Fri Jan 11 09:59:30 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Jan 10 22:30:58 2008. Based on your description, you work southeast of the Carle Place station. It's pretty much all residential there, except for Fuschillo Park. Other than that, there's much retail activity on Old Country Road a good six blocks south.Or do you work in the commercial/office complex on Stonehenge Lane, which dead ends into the north side of the station east of Cherry Lane? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 11 10:15:19 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 18:13:03 2008. 13 year trends in transit. Almost every train has seen demand rise since 1995. I'm comfortable stating that demand at Far Rock and Inwood is noticably more today. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 11 10:17:38 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 17:33:48 2008. I agree, I don't thing the LIRR wants too many seats filled with folks who can use the A train. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 10:18:14 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 18:13:58 2008. Demand is up all over the system; the population in the Rockaways is o its way up, especially with new housing developments, and gas prices are still increasing. The two easiest ways off the peninsula are the A train and the Far Rockaway IRR line.NYCTA is now carrying 1.9 billion people a year. So yes, I think assuming that things have changed at Far Rockaway is an easy cal to make. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 11 10:18:31 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jan 10 11:09:46 2008. Regardless, there is no excuse for not paying the fare. The mother and father both should have been issued summonses.My understanding at least on MNRR is that there is a procedure where a passenger without enough money shows ID and can send in the money in an envelope. I'm not sure the law even makes it a summonsable offense to board a train without enough money to pay the fare, as long as you agree that you are obliged to pay the fare and obey all conductor directives on how the railroad plans to cope with the situation. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 10:19:37 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 11 10:18:31 2008. So if you don't pay within a certain deadline you can be sent a summons in the mail? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 10:22:46 2008, in response to Re: Charming Conductor and unpreparted passengeHow the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 09:39:52 2008. She seemed to like me. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 10:23:45 2008, in response to Re: Charming Conductor and unpreparted passengeHow the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 19:43:54 2008. As long as I get assigned to the cellblock she patrols....8-) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 11 10:25:41 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 10 21:19:21 2008. Between the original Mott Ave station and the Inwood station. One can see the difference in construction of buildings near the LIRR terminal where the ROW came in. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 11 10:27:37 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 07:39:50 2008. yet somehow this area has not only remained poor, but actually desolate. It's a real mystery.Sadly, the one way to help an area remain poor even if by all rights it should be wealthy is to build public housing projects there. Consider Harlem and the South Bronx. Prices are way up, which is understandable since the commute to midtown is much better than, say, from Forest Hills. Except: where you are in close proximity to public housing. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 11 10:28:24 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Fytton on Fri Jan 11 07:35:11 2008. These areas are rapidly filling up with new housing, especially in the Gaston Ave. area. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 11 10:29:54 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 08:08:25 2008. Beach 105th and Beach 98th were built to serve two specific destinations: The Seaside Hotel and Playland. The only folks who use 105th live in that condo complex near the beach. Nothing but water treatment plants on the other side. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 10:31:03 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 11 10:28:24 2008. I noticed that when i was posting out in the Rockaways(Getting to Rockaway Park is a Nightmare) as well..A lot of hosues going up out there... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 10:33:35 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by AlM on Fri Jan 11 10:27:37 2008. Which is why it makes more sense to build mixed developments and screen tenants while you're doing it.Las Vegas Metropolitan Police has a well developed Crime-Free Multi Housing Program that comes down on landlords who rent to drug dealers. If the police issue a citation to the building, the next thing that happens in health and housing inspectors show up and go over the building in great detail. Violations are coordinated so you don't get separate deadlines - it's all one deadline for you to correct violations and if you don't meet it a county ordinance allows the government to padlock your building. Before you rent to someone, you double-check them against LVMPD's database.If they are in there, "Sorry. You're not welcome in this building." Kansas City is working toward that goal. Ordinances here are not as strong but KCPD now has a database and a two-man CFMH team in each of the six patrol divisions. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 11 10:34:04 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 18:44:36 2008. NJT fares are generally cheaper over distance than Metro North, and they don't have peak fares like Metro North does in both directions!. It only costs 50 cents more to go from Hoboken to Port Jervis than it does to go from GCT to New Haven off peak. A round-trip peak ticket to NH is $37. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 10:38:11 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 10:33:35 2008. I should add that one unfortunate consequence is that when a felon is released on parole, it makes the parole division's job of finding housing for the parolee much harder.Las Vegas' response to that? "Tough s--t," one officer told me. "The asshole should have thought of that before he committed the crime. I don'tcare where he goes after he's released, but he's not coming into my patrol sector." |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 11 10:38:48 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 22:11:22 2008. They COULD add more Ronkonkoma/Riverhead runs. It's east of Riverhead that ridership really evaporates. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 11 10:43:28 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 18:10:18 2008. If passengers had to arrive before 8:58 to catch the 9:03, would that be enough to imply that the LIRR ought to take some kind of action? No. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Jan 11 10:45:36 2008, in response to Re: Charming Conductor and unpreparted passengeHow the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 09:39:52 2008. >>>>Males will NEVER get off. <<<<They have medicine for that nowadays. 8-) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 10:52:39 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 10:18:14 2008. Is that 1.9 billion seperate people a year, or 1.9 billion FARES collected? |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jan 11 11:02:39 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 10:52:39 2008. Is that 1.9 billion seperate people a year, or 1.9 billion FARES collected?Imagine if it WERE 1.9 billion separate people? NYC would be mighty crowded! It reminds me of the numbers that you get if you try to compute family trees. Figure, you've got two parents, four grandparents, eight great-grandparents, and so on. Go back just 2,000 years or so and you have more ancestors in that generation than the entire population of the world. Obviously, there was a lot of interbreeding in everyone's background. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 11:04:41 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jan 11 09:58:52 2008. The fact that they will have to walk sometimes many hundreds of feet from the parking areas at Ronkonkoma, well somehow that's okay.Yes, that I don't understand. But even people I know do it. My girlfriend lived in Center Moriches at one time, and she was less than 10 minutes from the Mastic-Shirley station, yet she would drive all the way to Ronkonkoma every day, and then park "miles" from the station and get walk to the train. It had to take at LEAST a half hour to drive to Ronkonkoma, espeically in rush hour traffic, and then at least over 10 minutes to find a parking spot at Ronkonkoma, and endure all the hell that is the Ronkonkoma station. Her reasoning? Well, it's a one seat ride, and much faster than takingn the Montauk Branch. Well, I said to her, "yes, it's faster by at least a half hour or 40 minutes to take the train from Ronk to Penn than from Mastic to Penn, yet you spend all that time driving to Ronk and then trying to park and walking to the station, and then dealing with the crowds there. I never got it. And then she would compain about all the assholes that were on the train. She once sat on some guy's lap accidentally because a SCA type jumped in front of her and into the seat she was going to take as she was putting her coat on the rack!! And then had the nerve to get mad at her! She HATED the Ronkonkoma crowd. The Montauk Branch may be longer, and you may have to change trains, but it's SOOOOOO much less stressful. I don't get the Ronkonkoma appeal. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 11:05:57 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 10:31:03 2008. And the road network is not increasing. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 11:08:33 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 11 10:29:54 2008. Yes, I know....but it's still a lot more built up at Playland and Seaside stations than in the mid-80's when I used them all the time to go to the beach as a teenager. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 11 11:27:35 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 19:36:02 2008. It depends on the frequency of service. If the service interval is twenty minutes or more, being there ten minutes early is not too much.If you're riding the Montrealer which only runs once a day, be there thirty minutes early. When I commuted in Tokyo in the seventies and eighties you had to be there at least five minutes early at some stations even though service was very frequent, because you would not fit on the first train and had to wait in the queue for the next train. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 11 11:28:45 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 18:38:28 2008. Me too. I think the distance could be longer but the travel time is shorter. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jan 11 11:58:50 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 11 10:38:48 2008. Agreed except that when the weather improves, there's quite a bit of traffic from New York to the North Fork - lots of vacation (second) homes there, and because of inadequate train service, the Hampton Jitney operator makes the money both on the North and South Fork routes. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 11 12:00:18 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 21:24:46 2008. And a lot of people aren't aware that WH - Jamaica is actually slightly faster than Hempstead - Jamaica. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Jan 11 12:16:22 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jan 11 11:02:39 2008. It reminds me of the numbers that you get if you try to compute family trees. Figure, you've got two parents, four grandparents, eight great-grandparents, and so on. Go back just 2,000 years or so and you have more ancestors in that generation than the entire population of the world. Obviously, there was a lot of interbreeding in everyone's background.And a lot of it happens over much shorter time periods. The Prince of Wales is descended from Queen Victoria through both his father and his mother. Edward VIII and George VI were descended from George III (the mad one) through both their father and their mother. George V was descended from George II through both his father and his mother. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Jan 11 12:50:07 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 08:08:25 2008. How in the world is it the subway's fault?The relatively faster and more direct service to downtown Brooklyn and Midtown was replaced with the piss slow service along the IND Mainline... IMHO, the elimination of the LIRR service, the zoning of housing projects, and the city's mass condemnation of the housing and inability to develop the abandoned lands until recently (re: Arvene by the Sea) has lead to current state of the Rockaways. |
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