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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:09:04 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 13 15:12:12 2007. What about Bowling Green? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:10:26 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:07:22 2007. No, I don't. I give him a hard time when he posts for its own sake. If he wants to post his reasoning about this, I won't attack him for it. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:12:11 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 15:22:14 2007. No it wasn't. Get off the high horse. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:15:13 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 17:48:45 2007. Myrtle was in bad shape, but the route itself did merit a train and probably still merits a train today if you could find the money.The problem with the Myrtle el was not only its condition, but the fact that it ended in downtown brooklyn, instead of being hooked up to one of the tubes in downtown brooklyn which had the capacity. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:16:23 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 18:14:18 2007. Same for you. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:18:27 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:15:13 2007. Acknowledged.But don't you consider downtown Brooklyn a valid destination? The LIRR does. I'd rebuild a Myrtle subway (as a subway, not an El) and have it terminate in dowtown Brooklyn where people can transfer to many other lines. If the same train could continue into Manhattan that's gravy. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:18:53 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:16:23 2007. I did. Your turn. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:18:54 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:00:58 2007. And often these others are not the people being effected.For a point of reference; see Atlantic Yards. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:19:36 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:02:17 2007. I've heard of the BBQ out there. Arthur Bryant's is a place that was recommended to me, IIRC. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:22:49 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:18:27 2007. But don't you consider downtown Brooklyn a valid destination?Yes, but not anywhere on the magnitude of the Lower Manhattan Financial District just across the River. And while downtown Brooklyn is growing, only a few of those new buildings being either planned or under construction are offices; the rest are more and more condos/co-ops. I'd rebuild a Myrtle subway (as a subway, not an El) and have it terminate in dowtown Brooklyn where people can transfer to many other lines. If the same train could continue into Manhattan that's gravy. There are 2 tubes from Downtown Brooklyn to manhattan with a huge amount of capacity (Montague and Rutgers). hook it up. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:23:08 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:18:53 2007. I'm not making the claim. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:23:26 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:18:54 2007. You meant "affected" but point taken.What about Atlantic Yards? You are referring to some local residents being pissed off about the project? OK. My personal take on Atlantic Yards is, it needs to move forward. The loudmouths are entitled to protest (First Amendment), but not hijack the whole project, as they do not speak for the whole community. It will be very good for the area, good for improving local transit facilities, and who knows, it may, in the long haul, provide an impetus for subway expansion in Brooklyn. I support Forrest Rattner on this project, but also support modifications to address local resident concerns. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:24:56 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:19:36 2007. Yes! Also Gates BBQ, all over the area. You can get gift packs of the BBQ sauce (3 bottles - mild, regular, extra spicy). |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun May 13 19:26:05 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:23:26 2007. So would you support having your home bulldozed if it means a huge stadium is built in place of it? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:26:27 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:22:49 2007. "There are 2 tubes from Downtown Brooklyn to manhattan with a huge amount of capacity (Montague and Rutgers). hook it up. "OK. You've convinced me! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:27:16 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:23:08 2007. You're right; Chris R16 is making the claim that Macy's shut the El all by itself. It's his burden. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun May 13 19:28:56 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 18:50:56 2007. Ci sounds more plausable. There would be left over R46's if the A had them even if they intended to run 6/8-car trains on the C. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:30:00 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Grand concourse on Sun May 13 19:26:05 2007. How many homes are being bulldozed there? I'm aware of homes being added in residential towers. There are none being bulldozed.The protesters have not complained of homes being lost. They are complaining about the debsity of new homes. The one current project where homes are being bulldozed soon is the SAS to make subway entrances. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun May 13 19:30:33 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 13 18:16:06 2007. I could've seen them maybe on West End, Sea Beach and maybe part of the Culver F line. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:30:38 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:30:00 2007. I meant density... |
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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 13 19:32:45 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 13 18:42:37 2007. As I've said time and time again, even with 2 operators on the train, nothing will stop a troublemaker from pulling an emergency cord in order to make it necessary for a crew member to enter the same car as the culprit to reset it, thereby setting up a possible crime against the employee or the accusation of wrong doing made by a customer against the employee.If that is a NYCT concern, why do they allow #6 passengers to remain on the train at BB? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 19:33:44 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 18:39:44 2007. LoL..Of course you don't like what I said..because its the truth. Also..I find your comments funny. Apparently,you didn't understand what I SAID.. If you didn't..it's extremely poor taste to pretend that you did. As for the bulk of you post...ask yourself..why should I CARE? What you guys don't like..is the fact that I have a low tolerence for the nonsense ramblings of the rail fan "guru's" that post here..and speak what I feel. |
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Atl Yards develpoment (Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:34:23 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:23:26 2007. Atlantic Yards is a very interesting topic, IMO. Many of the buildings slated for demolition are old factories that either were converted to Co-ops/condos or were about to be. (I'm actually old enough to remember when the factories were in use: when Pechters bakery used to fill the air of the whole area with the smell of baked goods, and the Daily News was printed right there, delivery trucks parked in the Atlantic Yard). Additionally, there are lots of houses in the way. Many of the people who have taken over this area are well to do white folks, while a lot of the surrounding neighborhood (to the north and east) remains black. Virtually all of this new middle class is opposed to Ratner's project. All of the poorer class seems to be for it. The people with the most to loose are those who live either on the site, or next to it, and all of them are staunchly opposed.We'll see what happens in the end (My opinion is that Atlantic Yards is the perfect place for a mega dense development like this), but this is a case of Ratner getting his agenda pushed through, despite the cries of the locals. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:35:27 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:30:00 2007. Incidentally, 3 blocks of homes would be bulldozed. |
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Re: Atl Yards develpoment (Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 19:39:21 2007, in response to Atl Yards develpoment (Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle), posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:34:23 2007. I have a friend who lives on Pacific st..targeted for demolishion by F/R.They offered her a WONDERFUL settlement for her to move..almost twice what she paid for her home... She still deciding..but I feel as if she leaning toward taking the funds. She better..cause those buildings are coming down no matter what they do. |
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Re: Atl Yards develpoment (Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:39:44 2007, in response to Atl Yards develpoment (Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle), posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:34:23 2007. Thanks for those details.OK, so "urban pioneers" came in and are now soiling their pants having diarrhea because their investment just went up in smoke. With good negotiators representing them, they can come out with fair prices. The poorer folks living there need jobs locally. Investing in that area is very important. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:40:10 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:35:27 2007. Noted. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 19:40:43 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:00:08 2007. Which state?There's two cities by that name. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 13 19:42:08 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 18:39:44 2007. Nice post, J. Thanks for trying :( You're a good guy. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:45:13 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 19:33:44 2007. Of course you don't like what I said..because its the truth.Only in your own distorted mind. Apparently,you didn't understand what I SAID.. I understood it perfectly. If there's something I said that you believe to be me misinterpreting your words, address it. What you guys don't like..is the fact that I have a low tolerence for the nonsense ramblings of the rail fan "guru's" that post here..and speak what I feel. What I don't like is the fact that David brought up questions that are perfectly reasonable issues that relate to the transit issue at hand, and you respond by calling him "silly". What's even more disturbing here is the hypocrisy. Here you are, blasting people for spewing (your words)"bullshit" and accusing them of being 'wannabe transit planners', and yet, here is what you wrote a few posts earlier in this thread: "though the idea sucked THEN..and I think it sucks NOW. What CAN be done...is increase the D trains TPH to what it USE to be..short turn some of them at Bay Pky... The M can be turned at Broad st..and extend the J to 95th during the Middays and evenings." That post can be found here By your own definition, you're posting "bullshit", and you're a 'wannabe transit planner'. Now then, stop calling people names, and pouting just because someone disagreed with you. If you don't want people to disagree with your ideas, don't post them on here. |
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Re: Atl Yards develpoment (Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:46:36 2007, in response to Re: Atl Yards develpoment (Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle), posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 19:39:21 2007. She might as well, or she's gonna get very little in the end. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 13 19:46:51 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 13 15:25:24 2007. I'm still waiting. |
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Re: Atl Yards develpoment (Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:47:28 2007, in response to Re: Atl Yards develpoment (Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle), posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 19:39:21 2007. Thank you. Appreciate your correcting me on that.Yes, I think she should take it. I don't want to paint everyone with the same brush, but when I lived in Germantown (Philly)I rehabbed two old houses on west Walnut Lane, just off Germantown Av. My neighbors were mostly upper income whites. Across Germantown Av were middle to lower income blacks. My neighbors never took any interest or had any empathy for anyone not in their snooty group. They thought it really strange that I took an interest in Germantown High and patronized black-owned businesses on Germantown Av. They'd shit in their pants whenever there was any word of new business development along Germantown Av. God forbid that we'd actually tackle local unemployment by letting new businesses open on a commercial street! To me, the other side of Germantown av was part of my neighborhood. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:47:36 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 13 19:42:08 2007. thanks. i try, lol. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:48:35 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 19:40:43 2007. And neither has subways. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:49:46 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:45:13 2007. Gene, what do you think?"I'm waiting for Mr. Perfect to come into the ring. He's going to break this up!" 8-) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 19:56:28 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:15:13 2007. No...Myrtle wasn't as bad as they say... it had a minor rebuild during the 50's.. The problem here was the fact that it was a victim of developers...and of extreme short sightedness. While it is true that SOME work was needed to upgrade it the B-DIVISION standards..where heavier cars Could have been used..the TA decided that it was no longer needed,DESPITE THE HEAVY USAGE..it would have saved money removing it than saving it. There was More to this than they were ever willing to PUBLICLY announce..but demographics had a major part to play in its removal. Plainly speaking..the neighborhood was changing..and the devoloper wanted to gut EVERY SINGLE HOME along Myrtle ave from downtown to Broadway..and replace them with "Model Cities" type homes pushed during the 50's-70's... It was no surprise that the city took the FIRST step by building the rows of housing projects/condo's...and the "developer" backed out afterwards...leaving vaccant lots in his wake,and the elevated rail line gone. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 13 19:56:32 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:45:13 2007. TOUCHDOWN!!!!Huge post, man. And I see MAJOR pwnage over the new few months and years. This is the start of something great. WE ARE....SUBCHAT! WE ARE....SUBCHAT! WE ARE....SUBCHAT! Just finished watching We Are Marshall. Great movie! |
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Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Sun May 13 19:59:32 2007, in response to Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 18:09:02 2007. Prior to the Brighton Line being connected to the subway, the Brighton Line trains reached the city via the Franklin Avenue Line and Fulton Street El to Park Row. By 1939, The Brighton Beach Local was terminating at 57th Street and the Express at Times Square. When the R27s arrived in 1960, the original (Q) briefly terminated at Astoria and had two sisters as the local - the (QB) and the (QT). These jointly were what would've been the (QQ). When today's (J) was extended to Coney Island, it was the (QJ) and I believe the (QT) was ended when it started. The M.T.A. decided to send the (M) to Coney Island and cut the (QJ) to Broad Street but it kept the (QJ) letter until 1976. By 1970, the (Q) and (QT) were gone and the (QB) was rush hours only. The Brighton Line had become the (D) and the (M) and would remain so until the mid 1980's. The (QB) became the (Q) in 1985 and began her comeback to a full time route. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 20:00:11 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:45:13 2007. Oooohh..You fall right into the "Bullshit" tow the line type. Why don't YOU stop posting here? Also..If you don't Like what I say...what can You do to change it? Nothing. Sit back and enjoy the ride. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 20:04:54 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:45:13 2007. One more thing...you are going out of your way to dispute what Im saying...sounds like some more "rail fan got an issue" crap.You want to score some brownie points with the "In crowd"?..do it with someone who actually cares about What You think. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 20:07:32 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 19:56:28 2007. I just rode down Myrtle all the way to B'way the other day, and a LOT of those vacant lots are being developed. Still quite a few undeveloped, but a LOT of new construction. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 20:09:19 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 20:00:11 2007. You fall right into the "Bullshit" tow the line type.I'm sorry, I don't understand that line. Why don't YOU stop posting here? Also..If you don't Like what I say...what can You do to change it? Nothing. Sit back and enjoy the ride. So, you admit to being a troll? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 20:09:36 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 20:04:54 2007. ROFL. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 20:10:31 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 20:07:32 2007. Different times...Brooklyn is Valuable TODAY... People are being PRICED out of Manhattan..so where are they gonna go..if they want a quick easy commute? Real estate folks KNOW this... |
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Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 20:11:05 2007, in response to Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by E Line Fan on Sun May 13 19:59:32 2007. Thanks for the history.The (QB) became the (Q) in 1985 and began her comeback to a full time route. IMO, they picked the worst possible time to do that. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 20:12:17 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 20:10:31 2007. Myrtle ave in that area is still real 'hood'. Manhattan people might not wanna live there. |
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Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Sun May 13 20:23:58 2007, in response to Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 13 13:08:13 2007. An interesting sidenote to GP38/R42 Chris' post: rather than the (QQ), the Brighton Local became (QB) - "Q via bridge" and (QT) - "Q via tunnel". When today's (J) was extended to Coney Island briefly, it became the (QJ) - "Q via the Jamaica Line". By 1970, it was cut back to Broad Street but kept the (QJ) through 1976. |
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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun May 13 20:35:51 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by AlM on Sun May 13 19:32:45 2007. Beacuse there is a bulletin about the tracks on the BB Loop are "reveune" tracks so passengers can stay on the train thats why.This was mentioned quite a few times by myself and other RTO personel who post on this board.. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun May 13 20:36:19 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 18:45:38 2007. "doesn't support my view"hem.... |
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