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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006 Heh heh, they said it twice!
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Dec 29 08:22:04 2006, in response to Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006. Glad you arrived safely! Was the ride in from Heathrow to Gloucester Road:a) slow and boring b) slow and interesting c) actually seemed vaguely fast ? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Dec 29 09:19:56 2006, in response to Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006. Welcome to London! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 09:22:55 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Rail Blue on Fri Dec 29 08:22:04 2006. Thanks!Hmmm, it was definitely interesting, I can say that! The first half seemed a bit slow (long distances between stations?), but the train seemed to accelerate quicker than NYC subway trains. But then the "express" portion didn't seem that fast at all. I thought they would open the throttle wide. I saw the district line trains along side. I also saw whatever yard/shops those were. As you can see I got my first LU shots ever at Gloucester Road. Heathrow was a madhouse and there were announcements being made to pay for your ride at your destination. Then some employee told us the same thing. I had wanted to buy Oysters with some value and a 7-day Travelcard starting tomorrow but in the rush I just went with this "pay-later" scheme which I thought you weren't even allowed to do (20 pound fine for not having valid ticket or oyster!) and I thought you couldn't pay for a fare from within fare control. But at Gloucester i had to pay CASH fare at this window in fare control. What a rip off. Then again, if it really did save us a lot of time at Heathrow then it was worth it, since our hotel checked up right is quite early and that was a huge help to us. So tomorrow evening I think we'll be purchasing 7-day Travelcards on Oyster. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 09:25:22 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Dec 29 09:19:56 2006. Thanks! |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Dec 29 09:46:03 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 09:22:55 2006. They wouldn't let you get an Oyster then and there at the window at Gloucester Road? |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Fri Dec 29 09:59:29 2006, in response to Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006. Nice! Enjoy! |
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Posted by error46146 on Fri Dec 29 10:00:29 2006, in response to Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006. I like that advertisement about the british version of the OC. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 10:01:21 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Dec 29 09:46:03 2006. I didn't think of that. And the window said cash only, no credit cards. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 10:01:46 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Canton Viaduct on Fri Dec 29 09:59:29 2006. Thanks! |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Dec 29 10:05:39 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 09:22:55 2006. I think the depot you saw was Ealing Common Depot that houses the District Line. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Dec 29 10:06:01 2006, in response to Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006. Is it me, or do the stations seem small for a system that's supposed to have such a heavy load? |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Dec 29 10:06:58 2006, in response to Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006. Nice shot! I hope you have a pleasant time in London, I hope to go there next year or the following. I love the entire rail network out there! |
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Posted by Zman179 on Fri Dec 29 10:15:00 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Dec 29 10:06:01 2006. The Piccadilly stations can only handle 7 cars (and believe me, no more than that.) They didn't think about crush loading back in the 1800's. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Dec 29 10:16:18 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Zman179 on Fri Dec 29 10:15:00 2006. Make that 7 tiny cars. |
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Posted by JohnL on Fri Dec 29 11:11:57 2006, in response to Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006. Congrats! You and Tamar made it! Have fun! I thought it was ambitious, getting to Cockfosters on your first day in London, but see that it’s only Gloucester Road (have you learned how to pronounce that yet?)Looking forward to more pics! |
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Posted by soton si on Fri Dec 29 11:27:17 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 09:22:55 2006. this "pay-later" scheme which I thought you weren't even allowed to do (20 pound fine for not having valid ticket or oyster!)don't do this on South West Trains - some friends and I asked the guy selling tickets at Southampton Airport Parkway if we could have permits to travel, as the queue was long, and our train was there. He told us just to get on it and find the guard, which we didn't as it was a 12car train and other members of staff sent us the wrong way along it. When we got off at Winchester we explained the situation and asked where we can pay for our tickets. We were directed to someone who, before we could speak, told us that we'd be paying £20. Then as we explained our story, she spouted off crap about how we made no effort to find the guard, or pay for our tickets, when we had spent the whole time from arriving at SAP to that moment trying to do so. Then she decided, to prove her point, that the guard made an announcement on the train, saying their location, which none of us had heard, or had ever heard a similar thing on any train before. Thankfully we can appeal (which shows it's not a fare, but a fine). I had no problem on the tube from Amersham (ticket office was "closed" - guy in it told me to use my oyster, rather than buy a cheaper paper ticket, and get it refunded). I just walked on the train, not touching in, got off at Baker Street, told a guy that the ticket office was closed at Amersham and he let me through the barrier so I could buy a ticket there). Maybe it's a side effect of privatisation - the companies care only about maximum extortion of money, rather than helping people. Oh, and welcome to London! |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Dec 29 11:34:33 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by soton si on Fri Dec 29 11:27:17 2006. Why was a paper ticket cheaper than Oyster from Amersham to Baker Street? |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Dec 29 12:26:19 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by JohnL on Fri Dec 29 11:11:57 2006. glawsster? |
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Posted by JohnL on Fri Dec 29 12:35:52 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by R30A on Fri Dec 29 12:26:19 2006. That would be with the Ammurrican accent! Shorter o, and the end probably uh, rather than long errrr.Need to learn IPA for 2007! |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Dec 29 12:45:50 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 09:22:55 2006. Heathrow was a madhouse and there were announcements being made to pay for your ride at your destination.Shame your destination wasn't Kensington Olympia, Goldhawk Road, or New Cross Gate (or a few other random stations IINM)... But then the "express" portion didn't seem that fast at all. I thought they would open the throttle wide. Hahaha! I just went with this "pay-later" scheme which I thought you weren't even allowed to do (20 pound fine for not having valid ticket or oyster!) In practice, it's easy to get around. There are so many plausible journeys that you can end up without a ticket legitimately inside the barriers - here's one I've done: Ewell East, well after the ticket office had closed for the day (by about 7 hours!), so I bought a PTT (IIRC, for 25p, as I was low on change) Sutton, same platform interchange to a Thameslink train, which happened to be right behind King's Cross Thameslink - it was a cold day, so I went through the interchange passages to exit via the tube station, who let me out so that I could finally buy my ticket to Leicester from St Pancras station. Of course, I could have been lying and not actually wanting to go to Leicester (who would?), but King's Cross - St Pancras Underground station couldn't really do much but let me out. Because LU is a bit primitive, they couldn't even sell me the right ticket. and I thought you couldn't pay for a fare from within fare control. You generally can't on LU, but can on NR (ex-BR), but there are exceptions both ways. So tomorrow evening I think we'll be purchasing 7-day Travelcards on Oyster. Remember to keep your receipt. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Dec 29 12:54:50 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by JohnL on Fri Dec 29 12:35:52 2006. That would be with the Ammurrican accent! Shorter o, and the end probably uh, rather than long errrr.Awf coss, one could keep the long "aw", so long as one went to Awksford. But seriously, in the 19th Century railway timetables included placename abbreviations like: Glo'ster (Eastgate) Le'ster (London Rd) These were primarily to fit into columns, but Glo'ster and Le'ster (and for that matter the unattested *Wo[o]'ster, *Al'ster, and *Bi'ster) do actually indicate the pronunciation quite well. For the next stage in our spelling reform, Plaistow can become Plaaaaaaaa'stow, and Dulwich and Woolwich can become Dul'ich and Wool'ich. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Dec 29 13:08:08 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Rail Blue on Fri Dec 29 12:45:50 2006. Sutton, same platform interchange to a Thameslink train, which happened to be right behindWhat about the cross platform transfers at Stratford on the Central Line to NR? |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Dec 29 13:26:03 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Rail Blue on Fri Dec 29 12:45:50 2006. I have a question for you or anyone with knowledge of the LU. There are a couple of sections where the London Underground shares trackage with Silverlink lines, the lines being the Bakerloo from Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone and on the District Line from Richmond to Gunnersby. How does this all work out when it comes to fares? This shared trackage does not occur on our subways so it is a very unfamiliar situation to me.And about the below picture at Stratford, one could transfer from a NR train to the Central Line and vice-versa at no cost? 
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Dec 29 13:39:07 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Dec 29 13:08:08 2006. "Sutton, same platform interchange to a Thameslink train, which happened to be right behind"What about the cross platform transfers at Stratford on the Central Line to NR? Probably fine, if you can come up with a reasonable story as to where you were going. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Dec 29 13:41:41 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Dec 29 10:05:39 2006. Could have been Acton Works on the other side, too. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Dec 29 13:50:09 2006, in response to Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006. Enjoy your trip! And don't forget to ride the Bakerloo. That's the nicest stock in the whole Underground (with the possible exception of the rehabbed D78's and the 1995 stock on the Northern).Are you going to Abbey Road? Use Jubilee, get off at St Johns Wood, walk down Grove End Road (?) and it's at the bottom of the hill on the right. wayne |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Dec 29 14:10:35 2006, in response to Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006. Where are you staying? Gloucester Road was our home stop when my family and I went to London a few years back. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Dec 29 14:19:33 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Dec 29 13:26:03 2006. Since most people are using zone based tikcets, it doesn't matter which company's line you ride on. You can use any line or bus in the zones wriiten on your ticket(with some exceptions).Before that, it was more complicated. In the section you mentioned (the Bakerloo from Queens Park to Harrow and on the District Line from Richmond to Gunnersbury), if you didn't travel beyond the border stations, you paid a BR ticket even if you ride an LT train. If you continued into LT lines, you paid a combination BR/LT ticket. In other locations like Stratford - Liverpool St. a LT ticket was valid on both BR and LT. Paying excess fare at your destination was also common back then. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Dec 29 14:32:09 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Dec 29 13:50:09 2006. The Bakerloo stock is icky. And it has funny lumps between the seats.But the exterior is kind of neat, I suppose. Unrehabbed D stock is much cooler than rehabbed. And 1995 stock is very disappointing in comparison to 1992. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Dec 29 14:34:42 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Dec 29 14:10:35 2006. Gloucester Road used to have the airport bus terminal. I took my first step on the ground of London there and then we rode the Picadilly to Russell Sq. (to the hotel).I was only six, but I still remember how you could peek through the opening and see red trains (probably CP/CO stock) running under the terminal. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Dec 29 14:44:57 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Dec 29 14:34:42 2006. Can you still see trains from the Sainsbury's at that location? |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Dec 29 15:20:00 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Dec 29 14:44:57 2006. The last time I went there (Cromwell Curve) was in 1981. I never had a reason to get off there since, so I don't know. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 29 15:38:05 2006, in response to Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006. Heh heh, they said it twiceDid that get you excited or something . . . ? Besides, it's not that name any more. It's Cosset Frock, remember? |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Dec 29 15:38:34 2006, in response to Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006. is cockfoster's a new brand of beer? |
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Posted by Market-Frankford on Fri Dec 29 16:04:21 2006, in response to Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006. Nice.What's so special about Hyde Park Corner? |
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Posted by soton si on Fri Dec 29 16:24:19 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Dec 29 11:34:33 2006. Why was a paper ticket cheaper than Oyster from Amersham to Baker Street?It wasn't, but I wanted to get back. I have an NR Young Person's Railcard, so get 33% off an off peak one day travelcard. Because the tube guys aren't bright I got zone A-D thrown in, but even without that, it's cheaper. I paid £4.80, whereas an off-peak Oyster return via zone 1 would be 25% more than that. Also, I would have capped my oyster anyway. I can't remember if I went on any non-Oyster pre-pay routes (I think I did New Cross - Charing Cross), but I also would have had less of a problem with that. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Dec 29 17:03:38 2006, in response to Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006. Welcome to London, the home of 3 PM winter sunsets and 8 AM sunrises. Enjoy your stay. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 29 17:10:51 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Dec 29 17:03:38 2006. You can get those in Canada too. As well as big flocks of magpies. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 30 06:28:05 2006, in response to Cockfosters, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 29 06:33:02 2006. Haha! Awesome! Keep the pics coming; I'm liking this.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sat Dec 30 11:17:38 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Dec 29 14:32:09 2006. Unrehabbed D stock is much cooler than rehabbed.At least the rehabbed D Stock isn't C Stock... And 1995 stock is very disappointing in comparison to 1992. You just like the windows. I find them both uncomfortable. I prefer 1967 Stock. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sat Dec 30 11:23:47 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Dec 29 17:03:38 2006. Welcome to London, the home of 3 PM winter sunsets and 8 AM sunrises.You exaggerate: 29/12/06 08.06 15.59 30/12/06 08.06 16.00 31/12/06 08.06 16.01 01/01/07 08.06 16.02 02/01/07 08.06 16.03 03/01/07 08.06 16.04 04/01/07 08.06 16.05 05/01/07 08.05 16.06 06/01/07 08.05 16.08 07/01/07 08.05 16.09 (And the earliest it set on any day was 15.51!) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Dec 30 11:32:23 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Rail Blue on Sat Dec 30 11:17:38 2006. I find them both uncomfortable. I prefer 1967 Stock.If you're thinking seats, 1938 stock beats any newer tube stock. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sat Dec 30 11:33:53 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Market-Frankford on Fri Dec 29 16:04:21 2006. What's so special about Hyde Park Corner?It's the first place a train from that platform can reverse. In this case, it's not a particularly useful sign. Some of them are useful though - for instance, there's one on the southbound Northern Line Charing Cross Branch platform at Euston that reads something like: "All trains go to Charing Cross, Waterloo, and Kennington". |
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Posted by JohnL on Sat Dec 30 11:45:15 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Rail Blue on Sat Dec 30 11:33:53 2006. I was looking to verify that. Somewhere there is a track map of the Piccadilly, but I lost it can’t find it again. Do you have that bookmark? |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Dec 30 12:28:23 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by JohnL on Sat Dec 30 11:45:15 2006. I have.www.simonclarke.org/lul/ |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sat Dec 30 12:40:59 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Dec 30 12:28:23 2006. Those would make good strip-maps! Knowing which side the platform's on and where there are cross-platform interchanges is useful information. |
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Posted by JohnL on Sat Dec 30 13:10:22 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Dec 30 12:28:23 2006. That’s the one!Thanks. |
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Posted by Market-Frankford on Sat Dec 30 14:20:32 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by Rail Blue on Sat Dec 30 11:33:53 2006. I think that a sign saying "All trains serve Kennington, but only some continue to Morden" would be much more useful. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sat Dec 30 17:59:22 2006, in response to Re: Cockfosters, posted by soton si on Fri Dec 29 16:24:19 2006. Ah, a Travelcard. You didn't say that the first time!Do Young People also get discounts on Oyster travel? |
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