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Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again |
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Posted by tydev417 on Tue Oct 24 14:25:23 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by tydev417 on Tue Oct 24 14:23:04 2006. That's kind of why I always tend to stand on the MTA's side when in a discussion because you have to think about the average riders as well that use these stations and may complement or complain to the MTA. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 24 14:32:55 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by tydev417 on Tue Oct 24 14:25:23 2006. I don't see what your above two posts have to do with Bill's post.Furthermore, "thinking about the average rider" is the exact reason most people disagree with your various pro-MTA viewpoints. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 24 14:35:04 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 24 14:32:55 2006. Most railbuffs, maybe. Average riders are very rare on this board. |
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Yet Another Set Running (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?) |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 24 14:36:39 2006, in response to Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Oct 23 13:39:46 2006. Just got word that there are now 3 R62A sets running on the 4.(N) 2351-52-53-54-55 + 2226-27-28-29-30 (S) All three sets, including 1886-90/2321-25, and 2386-90/2461-65 are running on the 4 line. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 24 14:39:51 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 24 14:35:04 2006. Exactly so. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 24 14:44:18 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 24 14:35:04 2006. Maybe what? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 24 16:31:43 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Oct 24 12:52:41 2006. What annoys me most is the hysterical nature of these posts. Reporting what is happening is one thing, but this over analysis is another matter. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 24 16:52:23 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 24 16:31:43 2006. Gotta look at the bright side though ... if they're here, they're not out there playing TSS on your train. :) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 24 17:01:59 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 24 16:52:23 2006. LOL! Exactly right! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 24 18:27:43 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 24 16:31:43 2006. What over analysis? I think you are totally off-base on this. There have been major anomalies with respect to cars lately and that is justly a hot topic. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 24 18:30:17 2006, in response to The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 23 20:44:11 2006. Bill, these guys should have ridden a line like the M line in the mid 80's. There was a year in there that every single 60 foot car in the system would run there (except the R10's).It's only the late 80's when all the GOH's began coming back that certain cars were more stable on respective certain lines. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 24 20:29:58 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 24 16:52:23 2006. Moo to that. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Oct 24 21:15:30 2006, in response to The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 23 20:44:11 2006. I see your point, Bill, but remember this is the Home of Asperger Foam. Sure it's not a big deal to most, but it is to a the railfan who really analyzes this stuff. For me, news of different rolling stock on any line is reason to grab the camera and railfan that line, but not to make a big deal about it and call MTA on the carpet cuz there's an anomaly someplace on their tracks.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 24 21:48:52 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 24 18:27:43 2006. I'll tell you over analysis. Some dude reports that a certain 5 car set of R62A's are "on the wrong line". Then somebody else says how come the next group of 5 consecutive numbered cars are on some other line. Then some other dude claims the cars are "his". Then some other dude comes up with a change in car assignments. Then some other dude sees 2 5 car sets and 1 single car making up a consist on the 7 line, clearly done just to make full service/cars ready at the last minute for the last put in and now you have people speculating that more R62A's should be linked so all #7 trains can appear in this manner. Some of you are going to grow up to be some kind of mad scientist! Then the thread has so many responses, gets off topic to the point that it can't be followed. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 24 21:54:14 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 24 18:30:17 2006. I operated there in the mid '80's and don't I know it! Whatever you got as a crew was no news because it could be and was anything. If it was a 60' car, it ran there. One day the train they bought to me from CIYD was an 8 car train of GOH slant R40's, jsut weeks back from Sumitomo. They were short 2 cars for a B train so they had to use it somewhere, so they sent it to the M for the PM rush. |
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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 24 21:56:15 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:36:22 2006. Your city councilman, John Liu, wouldn't be too happy over 10 car trains. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Oct 24 22:03:40 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 24 21:48:52 2006. Don't forget that on the IRT, each route essentially has its own dedicated fleet of cars. The cars assigned to the 2 and 5 often swap places, and the 3 and shuttle share a fleet, but aside from that, the appearance of a car class where it doesn't normally appear isn't akin to R-68A's appearing on the B -- it's more like R-38's appearing on the M.And given how difficult it is to transfer cars between Corona and the rest of the IRT, the 1 isn't going to simply borrow a car that normally runs on the 7 to make service. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 24 22:05:00 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 24 21:48:52 2006. I'll tell you over analysis....Then somebody else says how come the next group of 5 consecutive numbered cars are on some other line. Then some other dude claims the cars are "his"....nd now you have people speculating that more R62A's should be linked so all #7 trains can appear in this manner.What you call "over analysis" is not analysis. It is simply railfan fantasy. Most people are gaining knowledge from such threads without participating in the "over analysis." It's not that hard to ignore the posts that don't interest you. Some dude reports that a certain 5 car set of R62A's are "on the wrong line". I appreciate the posting of such news. Then some other dude sees 2 5 car sets and 1 single car making up a consist on the 7 line, clearly done just to make full service/cars ready at the last minute for the last put in Well it hasn't happened before, or at least is hasn't been posted here as happening before, right? So it seems like it is more than just a last minute thing. Because wouldn't the set have been returned to a normal setup during the off peak? I just saw a 1-5-5 set yesterday IIRC, which is says after such sighting were initially posted. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 24 22:14:09 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Oct 24 22:03:40 2006. It has been well documented here in the last week that because of the IRT/BMT connection is out of service at QP for sevral weeks there is a temporarily change of car assignemnts on the IRT. Plus since the IRT is smaller, just 2 basic routes, East Side and West Side with the 2 & 5 sharing common facilities uptown and common facilities shared in Brooklyn with 2,3,4 and 5 put ins and layups coming out of Livonia, if one line is short cars, somebody elses cars being on another line should not be construed as a big deal. This is all I'm saying. It is different in the B divsion. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Oct 24 22:38:50 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 24 22:14:09 2006. I know about the GO at the IRT/BMT connection, but perhaps some other posters don't.Or perhaps they know but they're simply contributing more information. One might expect there to be a lot of car sharing on the IRT, but the fact is that, aside from the 2 and 5, there isn't. I ride the 1 on a very regular basis and, until my post a week or two ago about the singles that I spotted, I hadn't seen anything other than VC-assigned R-62A's in unitized sets on the 1 since the 1 and 3 shared fleets 4-5 years ago. The 1 could easily borrow a train from the 2 or 3, but it never does. And the 2 and 3 essentially never borrows a train from the 1. And the 2 and 3 essentially never borrow trains from each other. (The last time I saw an R-142 train on the 3 was in 2003. I've never seen R-62's on the 2, and I last saw R-62A's in 2002.) (Of course, GO's can change everything, so I'm ignoring them. For instance, when the 2 is diverted to 137, it usually uses some VC-based cars.) This isn't the B Division, where there's nothing unusual about the same car running on the B yesterday, the W today, and the N tomorrow. Then again, in the B Division, cars don't routinely swap places just because they happen to share a trunk. The R and W share trackage through basically all of Manhattan, but when was the last time a W borrowed a train of R-46's from the R or an R borrowed a train of R-40's from the W? |
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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Tue Oct 24 22:41:23 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 24 11:33:21 2006. Also seen the on the E in Coming to America.And they make cameo appearances there from time to time like when if the C is closed or diverted. |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Wed Oct 25 00:01:44 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Oct 24 22:03:40 2006. The cars assigned to the 2 and 5 often swap places, and the 3 and shuttle share a fleet, but aside from that, the appearance of a car class where it doesn't normally appear isn't akin to R-68A's appearing on the B -- it's more like R-38's appearing on the M.IDAWTP. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Oct 25 09:05:17 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 24 17:01:59 2006. I was on AMTRAK last week and they used an R46 as the lounge car. |
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R-142A on the 2 today |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Oct 25 10:00:10 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Oct 24 22:38:50 2006. In a deliberate attempt to prove me wrong, somebody put an R-142A set on the 7:39 238 (if that's what they're calling it these days).I think (but I could be wrong) that the south motor was 7671. I didn't ride it, but I saw it across the platform at 96. |
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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Oct 25 10:00:52 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Oct 24 00:43:22 2006. When and why are they doing that? I haven't heard of any such plans. |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Wed Oct 25 10:32:39 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Oct 25 10:00:52 2006. Its been a rumor for the longest. They will close WTC for construction as part of the Fulton St Project. I heard its suppose to start around or after the Holidays.Nothing to worry about now until you see the offical notice go up. |
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Re: R-142A on the 2 today |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 25 10:39:45 2006, in response to R-142A on the 2 today, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Oct 25 10:00:10 2006. In a deliberate attempt to prove me wrong, somebody put an R-142A set on the 7:39 238 (if that's what they're calling it these days).I wish someone would call your cooment somewhere here about the R-38 on the M..... I haven't seen that since the 80's, and even then out of all the 60 foot cars the M had back then - R16, R27-30, R32, R40, R40M, R42, and occasionally an R38, for whatever reason the R38's were the rarest in use 60 foot car seen on the M, second only to the R10's which all but never ran there. |
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Re: R-142A on the 2 today |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 25 10:40:40 2006, in response to Re: R-142A on the 2 today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 25 10:39:45 2006. (PS - Of course I realize there was no R38 on the M, I was just trying to say in all that, that I would love to see it once again.....). |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Oct 25 10:56:20 2006, in response to R-142A on the 2 today, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Oct 25 10:00:10 2006. Interesting...Thats my response on the matter.. For now.. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 25 10:58:28 2006, in response to Re: R-142A on the 2 today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 25 10:39:45 2006. On the M? How about anywhere?!?!? The R-38's could be gone soon! Get your photos now! Ride them now! The time is now! Aaaaahhhhhh!!!! |
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Re: R-142A on the 2 today |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 25 11:11:31 2006, in response to Re: R-142A on the 2 today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 25 10:40:40 2006. Nope, I remember seeing an R38 on the M about 25 years ago.Might be rare but netherless was running. |
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R142A running on the 2 Tuesday |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 11:38:06 2006, in response to Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Oct 23 13:39:46 2006. 10:10am 7416-20 and 7521-5 running on the 2 arrived at Flatbush Av and I rode it. Is there something wrong w/the R142's cuz from subchat I'm hearing more R62's and even R62A's are going to the 4 now.I mean not something as eyebrow raising as an R62 on the 2, but this is the 2nd time in a one month period. And the 2nd trainset from the 6 on the 2. Anyone know what's going on? = Also I saw [on Sept 26th] at 10:17 am on the sb R142A and 7592, w/6 train strip maps. So what the hell was this IN SERVICE train SIGNED as a 2 doing on the 2? I mean if there's a need for another train on the 2 couldn't they have borrowed an R142 from the 4 instead? = |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 11:39:36 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by R30A on Mon Oct 23 22:40:23 2006. If the R44's were to retire isn't that the plan to move the R68/A's to the A?If the R44's aren't going to retire then perhaps move them to the C line and just move only the CI R68's? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 11:40:43 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:15:11 2006. :sigh: don't hold your breath. You'll just turn blue waiting. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 11:43:41 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Railman718 on Mon Oct 23 23:09:36 2006. B car units so ppl can pass thru 6cars rather than to be isolated in the one car.Although I still say a "C" car w/cabs on both ends would be better and since the MTA is fining ppl for crossing b/w cars anyway then what difference does it make? But so long as they don't have to cut up twp 5-car sets to make one of them 6 cars leaving an unused 4-car set. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 11:47:15 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 24 21:56:15 2006. I don't think any Flushing line riders would like it either. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 11:48:47 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 23:13:52 2006. Door draggings especially in the high profile case involving a redbird 2 train dragging a stroller in Brooklyn was one of the reasons for retiring the main line redbirds sooner or shifted 1 or 2 sets to the 7. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 11:50:42 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by R30A on Mon Oct 23 22:44:18 2006. I don't doubt that, but if they were in better shape they should've moved more ML redbirds to the 7 to get rid of the inferior WF cars [except the singles of course for the 11-car trains]. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 11:52:06 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Railman718 on Mon Oct 23 23:05:28 2006. I agree. Shame the ML's went first as it would've been nicer if they'd stayed longer thru 2003 when I finally got my camera. |
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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 11:55:54 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Oct 23 23:03:25 2006. Well it can't be too hard as either BBD or Kawasaki just needs to produce 47-50 more B cars and hopefully they still have the 'blueprints' I would guess they could be numbered 1251-1298/1300 respectively. |
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Re: Dude, there's another set! (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?) |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 11:57:51 2006, in response to Re: Dude, there's another set! (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?), posted by Railman718 on Mon Oct 23 21:58:23 2006. So that's why I saw an R142A on the 2 yesterday. Looks like they'll need all the spares they can scramble for the ML.BBD better hope they fix it soon or face an R46 like lawsuit that could bankrupt them. |
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Re: R-142A on the 2 today |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 25 12:02:36 2006, in response to Re: R-142A on the 2 today, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Oct 25 11:11:31 2006. That's exactly what I said:....about the R-38 on the M..... I haven't seen that since the 80's, and even then out of all the 60 foot cars the M had back then - R16, R27-30, R32, R40, R40M, R42, and occasionally an R38, |
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Re: R-142A on the 2 today |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 25 12:03:31 2006, in response to Re: R-142A on the 2 today, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 25 10:58:28 2006. Do I hear a "Farewell to the R38's Fantrip" touring the system? |
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Re: R-142A on the 2 today |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 12:10:20 2006, in response to R-142A on the 2 today, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Oct 25 10:00:10 2006. If that is so then that marks the 2nd confirmed set on the 2 this week.7416-20 and 7521-5 October 24th Tuesday |
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Re: R142A running on the 2 Tuesday |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Oct 25 12:16:33 2006, in response to R142A running on the 2 Tuesday, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 11:38:06 2006. Not only R142A's, but I saw 1100-series R142's running on the 2, running with strip maps from the 4.N|1146~1150-1236~1240|S |
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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 12:16:55 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Wed Oct 25 10:32:39 2006. Not much of a loss, just walking up 2 more blocks to the A platform. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 12:18:02 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Oct 24 00:43:22 2006. I would imagine as well unless they decide to make the A run all the R38's and the E use the unused R32's from the C. |
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Re: R142A running on the 2 Tuesday |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 12:19:20 2006, in response to Re: R142A running on the 2 Tuesday, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Oct 25 12:16:33 2006. Well finally they are using the 4's R142's, but it isn't the same as seeing an R142A on the 2 borrowed from the 6. |
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Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 25 12:36:49 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Oct 24 22:38:50 2006. In a broad sense there are just 2 types of IRT cars. The R62 and R62A is one and the R142 and it's contract deviations are the other. The R62 has been relegated to the #3 for awhile and I have not read or heard of any deviations of such. It is indeed news if a trainset of them winds up any other line. It is indeed news if an old tech trainset (1,3,7) winds up on an new tech line (2,4 5,6) and it is indeed news if a new tech train winds up on an old tech line. Other than that, I can't get too excited when an R62A trainset winds up on another R62A assigned line or if an R142 type car winds up on a line where that car is not assigned to. That is my only point because of the 2 basic car classes and certain lines being new tech lines and others being old tech lines. As for the B division, because of the wide variety of contract cars there, certainly it is indeed noteworthy if a trainset assigned to a given barn is running on a line served by a different barn. Maybe I should admit my bias to the B division. I've worked there almost 27 years, my initial railfan experiences were there and since the cars are bigger, they are not always SRO like the IRT cars seemingly are. |
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Re: R-142A on the 2 today |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 25 12:38:54 2006, in response to Re: R-142A on the 2 today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 25 10:39:45 2006. I've operated R38's on the M (and QB) as both a m/m and c/r in the bad old days. |
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