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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Oct 23 20:45:06 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Oct 23 20:43:21 2006.

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Sounds reasonable.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by tydev417 on Mon Oct 23 20:45:07 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by tydev417 on Mon Oct 23 20:41:14 2006.

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I retract some of that statement, those R44s from the (A) could possibly replace the R32s on the (E) and the R42s could possibly..run on the (C).

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Oct 23 20:46:19 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by (3) Livonia Ave. Local on Mon Oct 23 20:42:11 2006.

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I doubt it as the 3 is a part time line and the 4 covers for the 3 in Brooklyn late nights and runs local on Lexington.
R142A swaps b/w the 4 and 6 is no big deal.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Oct 23 20:49:13 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by tydev417 on Mon Oct 23 20:45:07 2006.

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I give up..

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Re: Dude, there's another set! (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?)

Posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Oct 23 20:49:54 2006, in response to Re: Dude, there's another set! (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?), posted by Railman718 on Mon Oct 23 20:31:46 2006.

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BBD's or K's?

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by tydev417 on Mon Oct 23 20:53:14 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Oct 23 20:49:13 2006.

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Me too.. We'll see in a few months.

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Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again

Posted by Tunnel Rat on Mon Oct 23 20:57:18 2006, in response to The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 23 20:44:11 2006.

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I always thought that that`s the reason rollersigns were invented.Now tell me that you saw r62`a on the lirr& i,ll sit up &take notice,otherwise YAWWWWWWWWWN.

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Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again

Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Oct 23 21:03:43 2006, in response to The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 23 20:44:11 2006.

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Nice post, Bill. IAWTP....

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:04:24 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Oct 23 20:26:10 2006.

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I didn't say they should 'cut up' 5 car sets. All I said was that the 7 should get R142s. If they have to get the single cars, then fine, they betta do it soon. If they test one R142 set on the 7, that's fine also. They can be better prepared for when more R142s come on the 7.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Oct 23 21:09:52 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:04:24 2006.

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Well since they haven't bought those cars yet then don't expect R142/a's on the 7 yet. They are not running the 7 as 10-car trains either.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 21:11:42 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:04:24 2006.

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Why should the 7 get R142s? What's wrong with the status quo?

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:15:11 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Oct 23 21:09:52 2006.

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They are not running the 7 as 10-car trains either.

Maybe not for a revenue test.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Oct 23 21:16:09 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 21:11:42 2006.

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Nothing, and R62A's have a good 20yrs left why change things all over again? And besides we'll never hear the end of the "where's my RFW?" bitchings.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:16:32 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 21:11:42 2006.

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Cuz they were meant for R142s.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 21:20:51 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:16:32 2006.

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What are you talking about?

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:22:19 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 21:20:51 2006.

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You know thay story of how the 7 were supposed to get R142s but due to all those problems they couldn't get em?

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 21:24:42 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:22:19 2006.

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What does that have anything to do with "the 7 being meant for R142s" or "R142s were meant for the 7" or any of that?

The line has R62As and there isn't anything wrong with those cars. Why should time and money be wasted doing a major fleet swap?

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:26:00 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 21:24:42 2006.

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Then why did the 4 and 6 got em when they had R62/As?

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Oct 23 21:27:18 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:26:00 2006.

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To replace the Redbirds running on the 4, 6, and 7.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 21:27:38 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:26:00 2006.

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Because both the 4 and 6 had older redbirds whose physical state dictated that they needed to be replaced before those on the 7 did.

The 4 and 6 received R142s and R142As and shifted the R62As to the 7 so that its redbirds could be retired.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:36:22 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 21:27:38 2006.

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Okay. I still think the 7 should get R142/As.

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Re: Dude, there's another set! (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?)

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Oct 23 21:37:20 2006, in response to Re: Dude, there's another set! (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?), posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Oct 23 20:49:54 2006.

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The Bombs...

Dont think there is a problem with the K's...

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Re: Dude, there's another set! (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?)

Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:40:31 2006, in response to Re: Dude, there's another set! (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?), posted by Railman718 on Mon Oct 23 21:37:20 2006.

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What's wrong with the Bombardiers?

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Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 23 21:48:28 2006, in response to The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 23 20:44:11 2006.

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Do you think that, while they are trying to figure out why the cars in a train are out of order, they'd consider anything else arousing

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Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again

Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Mon Oct 23 21:54:42 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Oct 23 21:03:43 2006.

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a-men

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Re: Dude, there's another set! (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?)

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Oct 23 21:58:23 2006, in response to Re: Dude, there's another set! (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?), posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:40:31 2006.

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Something to do with a few too many trains with stuck brake conditions, Deuce, 4 and 5 types. From what i have been hearing...

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by R30A on Mon Oct 23 22:40:23 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Oct 23 20:43:21 2006.

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So where are you sending the R44s if you send the R68s to the A?

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by R30A on Mon Oct 23 22:44:18 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 21:27:38 2006.

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Because both the 4 and 6 had older redbirds whose physical state dictated that they needed to be replaced before those on the 7 did.


Not true.

The 4 and 6 line cars were in MUCH better shape then the 7.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by 33rd Street on Mon Oct 23 22:47:20 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:36:22 2006.

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Why? The 7 is fine with its R62A's

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by R30A on Mon Oct 23 22:48:45 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Mon Oct 23 21:22:19 2006.

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Look at the sets.

if the R142s were meant for the 7, then they would have some 6 car sets.
They dont.

Therefore, the R142s are not usable on the 7.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 23 22:56:24 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Oct 23 21:16:09 2006.

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WHERE'S MY RAILFAN WINDOW...BITCHES?!

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Oct 23 23:03:25 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 21:11:42 2006.

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Why should the 7 get R142s? What's wrong with the status quo?

Nothing is wrong with the status quo. That's been the plan all along, to bring new-techs to the (7). Part of the reason they built the new Corona barn, and intend to implement CBTC there after they're done with the (L). Not to mention the MTA's request for funding to purchase "single" "B" cars to make 11-car sets for the (7) line.

It WILL happen. It's only a matter of when.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Oct 23 23:05:28 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 21:27:38 2006.

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No way those Redbirds on the 7 Line was better than the ones on the 4 and 6...

I never really looked forward going to the 7 Line when i was Extra Extra and dealing with those crappy trains.

The Rebirds on the 4 and 6 Line had the 7 Line Beat by a country Mile when it came to operation.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Oct 23 23:09:36 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by R30A on Mon Oct 23 22:48:45 2006.

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Wehn the MTA gets its Funding to purchase some more "A" cars(or was it "B"?) for the 7 Line that will come to pass.

Do you think they are doing those Signal and Track upgrades for nothing?

Along with the new Corona Barn?

That Barn is made for R142's beacuse of the High Ceiling for the HVAC Units,only way to take em off the train is from above it.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 23:13:52 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by R30A on Mon Oct 23 22:44:18 2006.

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Fine then, but they were retired before those on the 7 for a reason...

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Oct 23 23:14:51 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Railman718 on Mon Oct 23 23:05:28 2006.

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All right, they may have been better, but they were retired first for some reason.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Eric B on Mon Oct 23 23:42:25 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Oct 23 14:10:37 2006.

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It just occurred to me today that the next time the 1 and 3 are merged for SF work (which is supposed to be agains some time soon), you will have 62's on the 1!

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Re: Dude, there's another set! (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?)

Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Oct 24 00:35:55 2006, in response to Re: Dude, there's another set! (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?), posted by Railman718 on Mon Oct 23 20:31:46 2006.

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Since I been at 207Y alot lately I have notice lots of R142's in the Main shop.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Oct 24 00:43:22 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Eric B on Mon Oct 23 23:42:25 2006.

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I wonder what going to happen when they close World Trade on the E Line. Maybe will see some R 38's on the E Line.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Tue Oct 24 01:52:04 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by tydev417 on Mon Oct 23 20:15:16 2006.

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...and they aren't here yet.

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Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Oct 24 06:21:20 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Mon Oct 23 21:54:42 2006.

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True, some people need something else to worry about. Cars get shifted around as needed, and that's it.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 24 08:46:55 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Oct 24 00:43:22 2006.

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That would be a homecoming of sorts for them.

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Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 24 08:47:55 2006, in response to The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 23 20:44:11 2006.

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I saw an R-46 E train last week. Big deal.

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Re: Dude, there's another set! (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?)

Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 24 09:38:49 2006, in response to Re: Dude, there's another set! (Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?), posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Oct 24 00:35:55 2006.

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"Since I been at 207Y alot lately I have notice lots of R142's in the Main shop."

Me too. I've been noticing lately also how bad the brakes on those cars been squeeking when the train's stopping.

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Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again

Posted by SLRT on Tue Oct 24 10:39:03 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Tunnel Rat on Mon Oct 23 20:57:18 2006.

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No, roll signs were invented to provide souvenirs for railfans and generate commissions for eBay.

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Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again

Posted by SLRT on Tue Oct 24 10:40:20 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 23 21:48:28 2006.

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I thought it was going to be a picture of RiB.

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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 24 11:33:21 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 24 08:46:55 2006.

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Yup..the E is where they ran for a number of years..since they were based in Jamaica.
Everything out of that shop used them..even the RR[eventually the EE late 1967]..
A few of them even ran on the N line during the 60's and 70's...

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Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Oct 24 12:52:41 2006, in response to The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 23 20:44:11 2006.

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While I am not trying to defend anybody here, it isn't just SubTalk. What about Bill Zucker's "Car Assignments & Deviations Therefrom" that's been a mainstay of the New York Division "Bulletin" for years now? What about George Chiasson's painstakingly detailed articles on the history of where certain car classes ran, and why, and where he thought the next assignments would be? Are these examples any different than someone asking here about why an R-289023 was plowing the Zedda line last week when everyone knows only Q-78384 models run there? Some people find that level of detail interesting and others don't.

And at least those kinds of posts are on topic.

--Mark

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Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 24 13:30:31 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by SLRT on Tue Oct 24 10:40:20 2006.

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You want RiBs? Here, have some.



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Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again

Posted by tydev417 on Tue Oct 24 14:23:04 2006, in response to The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 23 20:44:11 2006.

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You know, I agree with you. There are alot of things discussed here that do not even begin to phase most average riders but then there may be average riders who tend to discuss certain issues like Fulton St or the renovation at 42nd Street..the MTA isn't starting all of these projects for no reason, they're answering to these average riders.

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