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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jul 26 10:31:51 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:30:52 2006. I've been on dark R46 F trains whose LCD signs still function. They provide a eerie yellow glow to the rest of the car. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jul 26 10:33:17 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jul 26 10:29:23 2006. Well, we need to qualify that. It could be said of any hobby that is exceptionally amenable to solitary activity. This does not mean the hobby MUST be pursued in a solitary fashion, only that among others, it attracts people who have difficulty in activities or hobbies requiring a lot of interaction. |
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Posted by Fytton on Wed Jul 26 10:33:54 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jul 26 10:29:23 2006. "But it's certainly true that among railfans the incidence [of Asperger's] is a lot higher than the general population.""The same could be said of pretty much any hobby." So do we conclude that 'normal' people have no hobbies? |
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Posted by Jace on Wed Jul 26 10:35:12 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 22:18:07 2006. Growing up in Greenpoint, I had the option of the taking R16's on the LL or R10's on the GG. Some choice! I actually preferred the GG with the 10's because if nothing else they moved a hell of lot faster (and as much noise as they made, you KNEW you were moving). As a bonus you had the super wide headlights and the conductor hanging between the cars to open the doors on the 10's! Sure they were trashed, but no worse than say the cars on the west side IRT. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 26 10:37:59 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jul 26 10:33:17 2006. Why don't you ask each person how they got into railfanning? The answers they provide should shed light on whether they chose it for the "solitary" aspect or not. |
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Posted by mambomta on Wed Jul 26 10:43:23 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Fytton on Wed Jul 26 10:33:54 2006. So do we conclude that 'normal' people have no hobbies?There is nop such thing as "normal" |
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Posted by mambomta on Wed Jul 26 10:44:54 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jul 26 08:55:29 2006. You'd be wrong.No. I'd be correct. Stop projecting your mental problems onto others and go to a shrink and learn to deal with it. |
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Posted by Fytton on Wed Jul 26 10:48:23 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 00:05:10 2006. "I've heard it's a problem in London."No it isn't, at least to anywhere near the degree that it was in NYC in the 1980s. We get a little graffitti on the trains now and then, though on the whole the Underground is pretty clean these days. More on trackside walls and structures (on open-air sections of lines) and on suburban rail lines. It's virtually impossible to walk into deep tube tunnels without getting killed, and anyway they are unlit, so any 'artistry' put up there would be pretty much invisible. Not much on suburban trains, although I have seen some on brand-new trains painted allover white (a bit inviting for the graffitti artists, that). Scratchitti is a problem on the Thameslink trains I sometimes use. Not too serious in other European cities I have been to - in Paris, the Metro trains and statiions are pretty clean, though there is a surprising amount of graffitti on the tunnel walls between stations. The RER in Paris is worse than the Metro. But I've never seen anything in Europe that is anywhere near as bad as those NYC trains were 20 years ago. |
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Posted by Jace on Wed Jul 26 10:49:10 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 18:57:52 2006. Better than that - a downtown 2/3 comes into 96th with the last car a dark car. The doors open and this cloud of smoke comes out! I get on (I loved riding the dark cars - there were always plenty of seats and you could see in the tunnel) along with some tourists. There's maybe 5 other people on the car and these tourists are standing up, petrtified! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jul 26 10:49:25 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by mambomta on Wed Jul 26 10:43:23 2006. "There is no such thing as "normal" "True statement. |
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Posted by Fytton on Wed Jul 26 10:51:06 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by mambomta on Wed Jul 26 10:43:23 2006. Me: "So do we conclude that 'normal' people have no hobbies?"Mambomta: "There is no such thing as "normal" " I know. That's why I put 'normal' in quotes! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 26 11:16:06 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 19:59:50 2006. Everything from the R32 to the 46 were "Modern"...in the B division..The 10/16/27/30's were the sp called POST WAR cars... You have no idea how much I HATED the R16 cars. Those car rocked the el more than any other..and You KNOW for a fact that you reached the NINTH CIRCLE OF HELL when one pulled into YOUR station. Truely. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 26 11:38:38 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 19:37:56 2006. True, though that didn't stop shows (usually sit-coms who had no intention of filming on the system) from building crappy subway mock-ups, complete with bogus grafitti. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 26 11:45:49 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Tue Jul 25 23:20:04 2006. WooHoo! AC/DC w/ Bon Scott |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 26 11:48:17 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:35:56 2006. IAWTP. And combined with the horrid silver w/ blue stripe outside scheme (which reminded me of the Dallas Cowboys, a team I have always hated), the grafitti did often look better, especially some of those full-car "murals". Not to say that grafitti was right, though. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Jul 26 11:51:30 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jul 26 10:27:39 2006. Ahhh...but you weren't a true galactic dominator unless you were running DOSMENU/VS-M on top of DESQview. ;) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 26 11:53:37 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 22:15:21 2006. The orange color was used to make the cars look "brighter"...Didn't do too well I guess..they still looked like crap. |
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Posted by Deaks on Wed Jul 26 11:56:54 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Fytton on Wed Jul 26 10:48:23 2006. I have noticed that Eastern European systems suffer from grafitti to a greater degree, particularly on the trains themselves. I assume that this is a result of lacking money to remove it as soon as it's applied, which is the norm in the UK at least. PKP-Polish Railways suburban EMU at Katowice. I saw several this badly tagged when I was there.  MAV-Hungarian Railways car at Budapest Keleti. Neither systems are anywhere near as bad as the photos of the 1980s depict New York to be, however. Tagged cars/units are unusual but not overly so. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jul 26 12:09:50 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 00:13:03 2006. ****TRUTH**** |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jul 26 12:10:55 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Wed Jul 26 00:25:03 2006. So did I. It's nice to have a few semi-modern stations as well as some "historic" ones; everything doesn't have to be painstakingly restored to what it looked like in 1904. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 26 12:15:25 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jul 26 12:09:50 2006. I agree. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 12:21:03 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Wed Jul 26 00:48:50 2006. It looked a lot like Atlantic Ave. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 12:24:34 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jul 26 07:19:43 2006. I had a 300 baud modem for my Commodore 64. Cost $100 back in 1987. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 12:25:47 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Wed Jul 26 00:37:20 2006. No, back then certain lines got preferrential treatment. The most glaring disparity was on Queens Blvd. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 12:28:19 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jul 26 12:10:55 2006. If I want to see lots of orange brick in a modern setting, I'll travel to Jamaica/Van Wyck. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 12:34:39 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Wed Jul 26 07:09:13 2006. The last segment I got to ride first was Baychester to Dyre. Back in 1986, I trekked up the line, but got more scared the farther north we went. I bailed at Baychester not realizing the last stop was only one station away. I finally went up there around 1990. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 12:38:32 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Deaks on Wed Jul 26 11:56:54 2006. The world probably learned from NYC's experience, and that if you don't remove it quickly, it'll just get worse. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 12:44:10 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Fytton on Wed Jul 26 10:48:23 2006. I'd call this more than a little, though I assume it was removed quickly: 
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jul 26 12:45:39 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by mambomta on Wed Jul 26 10:43:23 2006. Normality is a very abnormal condition. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 12:52:13 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:30:52 2006. I once rode a dark R train...20 years ago. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 13:01:32 2006, in response to Re: I meant 1986, not 1989 in above post. Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by 5119 on Wed Jul 26 01:34:28 2006. You got a few hours? - Mechanically unreliable. If it made it thru a run, you were lucky - Screeching brakes, the worst I ever heard - Broken doors. Some times, only 3 or 4 door leafs actually opened - Speed, as in lack of. They were a rolling delay - Filth. None got exterior paintjobs after the late 70's - Floors. Ripped up, usually patched with asphalt - Windows were often rusted open, or shut. If they were open, better not sit down during a fierce rainstorm R16's always had problems, more so than any other car type I can remember. Those that operated them can give more specific information on what the problems were. All I know is that the GE units (6400-6499) were the worst of the bunch (all were gone by 1983). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 13:14:30 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Jace on Wed Jul 26 10:35:12 2006. By the time they were all on the CC, they had gotten worse. I concur with Chris, they were HORRIBLE. Here's an example, circa 1987. In these days, they only made one run a day, at most:  |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 26 13:20:05 2006, in response to Re: I meant 1986, not 1989 in above post. Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 13:01:32 2006. They were crap from the begining.Funny thing is when they moved them to Queens Blvd,to shore up EE/GG service...they almost instantly regreted it! I don't understand why these cars were so crappy..but the R17's were built around the same period and gave MUCH BETTER service. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 13:24:26 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 26 11:48:17 2006. I actually love the silver/blue paintjob, although only on cars from the R15-up. The scheme looked bad on the R7 thru R14. |
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Posted by Dan on Wed Jul 26 13:27:48 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 25 21:26:54 2006. There was one day in early 1981 that is considered as the day that the system hit rock bottom. It was an extremely cold Monday morning, around 15° I believe. The TA could not get many of it's trains up and running that morning due to the cold. I was taking the 'F' to work from 18th Avenue in those days. After freezing may ass off for about a half-hour on the platform, a grafitti-covered, beaten-up'B' train limps into the station. Lights, but zero heat. The summer before was the R44 crisis which took many of the wonderful R46s off of the 'F', replacing them with old hot R10s. The bad old days indeed.Once the 'F' got all it's R46s back serice was back to it's usual good level. I knew folks from Bensonhurst who would take the B8 bus to McDonald Avenue just to avoid the Sea Beach and West End lines. No metrocard back then so it was a second fare. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 13:31:07 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 26 11:16:06 2006. The R44/46's were really more modern than anything else. They had door chimes, working A/C and working PA systems. I always referred to them as the "new" trains before I learned of the R-type designations. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 13:33:07 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 26 11:38:38 2006. I recall an episode of Seinfeld which did that. Ahhh, those Queens Plaza gyros. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 13:52:00 2006, in response to Re: I meant 1986, not 1989 in above post. Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 26 13:20:05 2006. Except for door problems when it snowed, they weren't THAT bad. But they fell apart in the 1970's. They probably never received regular maintenance their entire lifespans. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 14:10:16 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 13:14:30 2006. At least, you could look for working fans in them. Most R42s didn't have working A/C and even if you found one working, chances were it'd be a dark car. |
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Posted by davesgcr on Wed Jul 26 14:39:33 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 12:44:10 2006. It would be very rare for a train to appear in service with this level of damage - zero tolerance applies on big trains and tube - cannot remember when i last saw a service train with graff on and i do a lot of travelling all over the UK - the odd minor tag perhaps - and even window etching is on the derease thanks to sacrificial coatings .....major ourge on trackside graff removal of late -especially on the London and major city approaches.Funnily enough Scotland has bnver had a problem with mindless tagging .....must be a culteral thing / trait |
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Posted by Jace on Wed Jul 26 14:40:46 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Deaks on Wed Jul 26 11:56:54 2006. Last year I was on a new near DB class 425 EMU trainset out of Cologne with top to bottom grafitti. I couldn't believe it - just like NY! I saw several cars tagged and lots and lots of grafitti along the right of way. Nothing at all on inside which truly made NY subways in the 1970's-1980's in a 'class' of their own - those were some threatening looking trains! |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 15:13:44 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 22:02:08 2006. Williamsburg, Bowery, Lower East Side are now too expensive for poor artists. Some of my "poor artists" friends have now relocated to Bushwick and the South Bronx. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 15:24:07 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 14:10:16 2006. Yes, the R42's were much hotter (often times) than the R10's to R38's because at least those had fans and windows that opened when the AC wasn't working. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 15:25:10 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:42:13 2006. Yep. When I lived in the area, Amsterdam was the only avenue which grunginess started at 87th St. On the others, it started around 97th St. with 103rd St. peaking in grunginess. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 15:36:07 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 12:34:39 2006. The line that freaked me out the most was the Livonia El. It was SO bad over there back then in the late 80's. I never went back again until Peggy had the Brooklyn IRT tour, and that was the first time I went back. i think that was in 2002. i couldn't believe how much better it got over there. It's still not heaven, but it's not hell anymore either. I figured it must have improved, as I was already used to the area along the Bway el getting cleaned up too.Truth be told, in the late 80's, I was terrified riding the J between Myrtle and Bway Junction. You would tighten up everytime the doors opened at those in between stations. Then I didn't ride there for a few years, and the first time back, perhaps after about 5 years absense between 1994 and 1999, and I couldn't believe the difference! I actually rode with my cousin that day, expecting to see the usual "Berlin in 1945" look. We got on at BJ, and proceded to the side doors to look out. We were both quiet. The train stopped at Chauncey, the train stopped at Halsey, and then Gates...the doors closed there, and he said, "Do you notice something"? I said, "Yeah! There's hardly any burnt or abandoned buildings anymore!" I figure if they were able to clean up Broadway, anything has hope. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 15:38:57 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jul 26 07:10:31 2006. Was it an old walk up? He doesn't even know if the building is still there, but I am sure it may be. I'll ask him if he remembers the address. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 15:42:04 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 13:24:26 2006. The cars rarely rode around long in that silver and blue scheme though. Within a week or two, you could hardly tell they just came back from the painters. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 15:46:05 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:53:07 2006.  I want to know what happened to Julio and Marisol after "Decision VII". |
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Posted by Jace on Wed Jul 26 15:46:31 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 15:36:07 2006. I distinctly remember a story, I think in the Voice, back in the 80's about the Livonia el called 'The Beast'. Back then, I would ride pretty much all of the lines including the Broadway el - no problem, but I have only recently ventured out onto that line for the first time! (this was due in part to moving out of the city to the midwest in 1991 and only just moving back last year - riding out to Livonia wasn't too high on my priorities when I came back to visit...) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 15:49:54 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 15:46:05 2006. Hahahaha!! I haven't seen Marisol in at least 15 years!!! |
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