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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 17 05:46:57 2026, in response to R service is really bad, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 17 03:37:19 2026. Here is a scenario.R, northbound, entering Queens Plaza during PM rush. Entering Queens Plaza it's doing about 5 mph. When it gets to the middle of the station, around the conductors board, it's barely doing 5 mph and an E enters the station at normal speed on the express track. The E makes a stop, people get on and off, doors close and the E leaves while the R is still crawling into the station before finally making a normal station stop. And the passengers on the R are furious. They are at the doors seeing an express and realize what just happened because the R is crawling barely at 5 mph. Then the R sits at least 5 minutes, I guess to let an M cross in front. The R is a terrible line during the week and on weekends. No matter what service changes are made the R will always be frustrating for customers. Its called CBTC speed enforcement so cowboys wont fly into the Plaza once that last timer clears on D2 track like they used to in the past... Job has done a 180 since you was here.. Different Railroad. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jan 17 09:03:41 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 17 05:46:57 2026. A lingering example of, "You'll get there - eventually." |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 18 06:52:49 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 17 05:46:57 2026. Thanks. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 18 08:00:18 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 18 06:52:49 2026. Welcome..At BPK two of our Classmates are TSSs Herc and Double O.. We have fun telling new folks about the chit, things we done seen... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 18 08:00:48 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 18 06:52:49 2026. Welcome..At BPK two of our Classmates are TSSs Herc and Double O.. We have fun telling new folks about the chit, things we done seen... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 19 04:29:10 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 18 08:00:48 2026. Double O was a good guy. Don't know Herc. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jan 19 06:38:44 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 19 04:29:10 2026. Hercules...I just gotten used to calling him Herc... Quite a few of us are on the countdown now... 2026 is the exodus of a bunch of us Oct 2001 folks... |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Jan 19 07:13:15 2026, in response to R service is really bad, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 17 03:37:19 2026. I wonder if "R" service would be improved by splitting it into two services. One between 96/2 - 95 Bklyn. The other between Forest Hills and Whitehall in the manner of the old "EE". Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jan 19 08:42:11 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Jan 19 07:13:15 2026. I wonder if "R" service would be improved by splitting it into two services. One between 96/2 - 95 Bklyn. The other between Forest Hills and Whitehall in the manner of the old "EE".They do this for the "N and W" Some jobs go to STL (as a N) while Some go to Whitehall (As a W). As of Now the Q serves 96th yet selected Romeos go there for the Rush maybe one or two. If they did that it will result in more changes to the Time Table and Work Program... Something that as of now they wont entertain. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 19 09:04:44 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Jan 19 07:13:15 2026. If they did that, then they would need additional supervision at Whitehall which would cost money. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Mon Jan 19 15:39:19 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Jan 19 07:13:15 2026. That would lead to a real jam up on the local tracks on Broadway. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Mon Jan 19 20:22:54 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jan 19 08:42:11 2026. One thing I would do is have the R run between Bay Ridge and Ditmars replacing the W’s role and have the N as it is. Run the M to continental weekends and extend the G back to continental all times except nights. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 19 21:39:40 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Allen45 on Mon Jan 19 20:22:54 2026. The reason for the R going to Ctl is to have direct access to a maintenance and storage facility, Jamaica Yd. The TA is not going to change that. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 19 21:46:11 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jan 19 09:04:44 2026. Since the Ws turn there now, I would imagine there is already supervision at Whitehall like there was in EE days. If not, then reporting crews could sign in with the City Hall T/D and D/H to Whl the way some D crews sign in at Bed Pk and D/H to 205th St. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 20 02:57:32 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Allen45 on Mon Jan 19 20:22:54 2026. As Randyo stated, the old RR route can't be brought back.There would be no maintenance/storage facility at either end. It would cost big money to have so many traveling put-ins, and transfers. As for weekends, this has been brought up many times on this board. Queens Blvd can't support more than one service on weekends due to GO's. Speaking of weekends, R service is terrible on weekends because there is only one local service on Queens Blvd. Trains are very crowded and if there is a delay it results in longer waits between trains. 15-20 minute waits are common on weekends. I'd say most of the ridership on the R is in Queens not Brooklyn, so scheduling a few to turn at Whitehall on weekends makes sense but it won't happen. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 20 05:14:19 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Allen45 on Mon Jan 19 20:22:54 2026. One thing I would do is have the R run between Bay Ridge and Ditmars replacing the W’s role and have the N as it is. Run the M to continental weekends and extend the G back to continental all times except nights.Ill say it again.. If they did that it will result in more changes to the Time Table and Work Program... Something that as of now they wont entertain. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 20 05:17:00 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 19 21:46:11 2026. Only The CR signs in at BPK and Deadheads to 205th Street now when it comes to Road Crews and its only two..One on the AM (who i see five days a week and chat with) one on the PM... |
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Posted by Allen45 on Tue Jan 20 06:33:12 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 19 21:39:40 2026. If the R is part of the N and shares equipment with the N much like the N and W, wouldn't that change things? I would also keep the W designation as a designation used for the late night N service via the Montague Street Tunnel. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 20 08:38:04 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Allen45 on Tue Jan 20 06:33:12 2026. The R isn’t part of the N anymore.. They don’t even have the same equipment.. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 20 13:06:41 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Jan 19 07:13:15 2026. As I have said before:Do the necessary work to allow Canal Street on the (J) to be a terminal again (including re-activating the abandoned northbound tracks at Canal and Bowery) with as follows: (R) at all times between 95th and Canal Street, usually terminating on what currently is the northbound track (former southbound terminal track), something that was not possible before the work that was done that allowed the northbound side to be abandoned, Late nights and weekends, this (R) is extended to Metropolitan Avenue, absorbing the current night and weekend (M) shuttles. This (R) would be based out of East New York and would have in-service yard runs from and to Broadway Junction on the (J) in addition. (J) (and when running, Z) terminates at Chambers save for a handful of rush hour runs that end and begin at Broad Street. This would be set up so the southbound transfer would be at Canal Street and the northbound transfer would be at Chambers Street between the (J) and (R). (W) becomes full-time between 9th Avenue or Bay Parkway on the (D) and Astoria except late nights. This would solve a lot of problems on the (R) because that would be shortened considerably. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 20 15:39:41 2026, in response to R service is really bad, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 17 03:37:19 2026. Wait for the next train? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 20 15:44:14 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Allen45 on Tue Jan 20 06:33:12 2026. Huh? R trains come from Jamaica, N/W trains from Coney Island. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Tue Jan 20 17:08:54 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jan 20 15:44:14 2026. What you do is have the N run its 2010-2016 pattern during the day between Ditmars and Coney Island local north of Canal via the BridgeThe R runs between Ditmars and Bay Ridge via the Tunnel all times except late nights while keeping its current night service. The W would run between Ditmars and Coney Island via the Tunnel and would be the designation for all current late night N service via Tunnel The N, R, W would all share equipment with one another much like the N and the W does today The M goes to Continental all times except late nights and the G goes to Continental all times except late nights. Basically the N and the R would share equipment to solve the yard access issue and Astoria gets two subway lines on the weekends now too. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 21 02:50:48 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 20 13:06:41 2026. You can’t run the R into Nassau St because 4th Ave service requires 10 car trains which won’t fit into the Nassau St Line platforms. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 21 10:30:23 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 21 02:50:48 2026. This (R) would be eight car trains and based out of East New York,And to correct a couple of things from what I wrote the first time: The (W) would run Whitehall to 71st-Continental with during peak hours certain trains ending and beginning on the tunnel level of Canal Street. The (W) I originally listed would be a new "Yellow (V)" that would supplement the (N) to Astoria and take over running via the tunnel to lower Manhattan in place of the (R) that would be moved to Nassau, This (V) would run at a maximum of 6 TPH since it would be a supplement to the (N) to Astoria that would on the south end finish and start at either 9th Avenue or Bay Parkway on the (D). |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Jan 21 16:26:30 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 21 02:50:48 2026. If the R just ran into Nassau, it wouldn’t need 10-car trains as demand would be less. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 21 17:35:09 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 21 10:30:23 2026. You weren’t paying attention. I also said that ridership on 4th Ave can’t be sustained by 8 car trains. 10 car trains are needed especially with new apartments going up along that corridor. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 21 17:36:52 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Italianstallion on Wed Jan 21 16:26:30 2026. You would still need 10 car service because those 4th Ave passengers would still be riding the Rs to go somewhere even if they eventually transfer to other lines. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 21 18:23:19 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 21 10:30:23 2026. Stop trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 22 16:04:33 2026, in response to Re: R service is really bad, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 21 18:23:19 2026. Except it's Brooklyn where the issue is, especially those who rely on the (R).If you have to, keep the (R) as it is and make a "Brown (V)" and have it run 95th-Bay Ridge to Canal on the (J), extended to Metropolitan Avenue late nights and based out of East New York in addition to the current (R) that would have the side benefit of two 4th Avenue locals, also mostly eliminating the need for the current late-night (R) shuttle if this "Brown (V)" runs at all times. |
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