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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Sep 26 09:27:51 2023 Tuscarora Almanac - September 26, 1931 (o/a) - The Book of Last Runs Bronx, New York New York & New Haven and Hartford Railroad The New Haven Railroad ends local passenger service on the Harlem River Branch. Service was discontinued to the following stations; 133rd Street - Harlem River, Port Morris, Cassanova, Hunts Point, Westchester Avenue, West Farms, Van Nest, Morris Park, Westchester, Baychester, City Island (station was on Shore Road, not City island itself), Pelham Manor and Woodside. Source: New York Division Bulletin / March 1994, article by Mr. Larry Kiss Tuscarora Almanac – September 26, 1960 – The Book of Last Runs Johnstown Pennsylvania Johnstown Traction Company This is the final day of streetcar operation in Johnstown , Pennsylvania. Several Johnstown trolleys were preserved and some are in operation at various trolley museums; 350 at the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum, 352 at Wheaton, MD, 355 at Rockhill, 356 and 357 at Shoreline in East Haven, CT and 358 at Kingston, NY. (If you know of any others let me know). Source: “Pennsylvania Trolleys in Color” (Morning Sun Books /2003), Volume IV, by Mr. LeRoy O. King Tuscarora Almanac – September 26, 1963 – The Book of First Runs Flushing, New York New York City Transit Authority IRT Division The first train of the new World’s Fair cars, R-33 and R-36 enters service on the Flushing Line. There were painted in a blue and white scheme and were known as the “Bluebirds”. They differed from the “Redbirds” in having large picture windows. Source: New York Division Bulletin /October 1963 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Sep 26 12:16:21 2023, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Sep 26 09:27:51 2023. The WF R-33s and R-36s in the Bluebird scheme were my favorite cars as a kid (prior to the R-40 slants in their original configuration). I always loved catching them as I rode with my parents on the GCP on the tracks over Roosevelt Avenue or catching them on the Queens side of the 59th St. Bridge (as we called it) after or before we drove over it.Many fond memories of me waiting outside the gate as my father would park in the Corona Yard (he worked Pelham and Woodlawn when I was a kid but then went to Flushing just before I hit my teens the last 10+ years of his career). We would then take the 7 from Willets Point to Grand Central and transfer to the 4 to Yankee Stadium to catch the Yanks and do the reverse home. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 26 13:14:59 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Q4 on Tue Sep 26 12:16:21 2023. Hats off to whoever thought of that paint scheme, be it someone from the TA or St Louis Car. Is showed some imagination for a change, not having equipment delivered in drab olive that after awhile look like the creatures that live where they run |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 26 19:47:09 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 26 13:14:59 2023. I like it as well. I DON'T like the similar R-10 scheme. |
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Posted by gbs on Tue Sep 26 21:07:07 2023, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Sep 26 09:27:51 2023. The first train of the new World’s Fair cars, R-33 and R-36 enters service on the Flushing Line.          
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 26 22:16:16 2023, in response to PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 26 21:07:07 2023. Great shots of the most handsome cars ever. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 26 23:02:05 2023, in response to PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 26 21:07:07 2023. Nice!I wonder why the TA went with the wide picture windows for the R33/36wf,but not with the mainline versions of those cars. |
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Posted by gbs on Wed Sep 27 03:40:35 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 26 23:02:05 2023. The explanation back then was that most of the #7 route is above ground (about 75%). Even though almost all lines have outdoor sections, most of their routes are underground. All subsequent car orders included picture windows. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Sep 27 07:25:11 2023, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Sep 26 09:27:51 2023. Thank you. I'd heard that the first R33WFs entered service on this date- but I wondered if it was just a few of them in a train of R12/14/15s..Now I know they made up a full World's Fair train. |
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Posted by zac on Wed Sep 27 09:45:13 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by gbs on Wed Sep 27 03:40:35 2023. Back then as a kid I didn't realize these cars were mostly the same as the earlier version R26 and R28 and the 27/30s but smaller, just with nicer paint and picture windows. When they repainted them as redbirds the fantasy was shattered. They really were the same.I rode them to the Worlds Fair a few times, but mostly took them out to Shea to see the Mets, but took them once out to Shea to see The Beatles! |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Sep 27 19:45:01 2023, in response to PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 26 21:07:07 2023. Drooling over all of the pictures especially the vivid color on the second one.Thanks. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 27 20:29:53 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Q4 on Wed Sep 27 19:45:01 2023. There was a "Drooling stars" poster here awhile back. I wonder what ever happened to him?? |
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Posted by gbs on Thu Sep 28 20:27:50 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by zac on Wed Sep 27 09:45:13 2023. Car #9425 before and after: 
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Sep 29 14:11:37 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by zac on Wed Sep 27 09:45:13 2023. Before I knew about contract numbers, I knew the fleet by fleet number. So I was confused to see cars on the 1 or 3 painted red (like the actual R-29/R-33 MLs) but numbered in the sequence for the 7 line cars. Obviously, this was before the hideous Ronan colors (silver/blue) desecrated the non-stainless steel cars 😐 (I didn't mind it on the R-40M/R-42/R-44/R-46, but I wasn't sad when it did not appear on later cars) |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Sep 29 18:25:19 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Sep 29 14:11:37 2023. You are referring to the R36ML cars which were numbered 9524-9557 and all of them had Westinghouse propulsion systems like the R36WF cars 9346-9523. They were the least numerous A division SMEE cars. I believe that 9542-9543 is the only R36ML pair still in existence. These cars were moved around between the 1,3,6, and 7 lines during the time they ran in revenue service. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 30 02:43:01 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 26 13:14:59 2023. By the time the R-33s were being delivered, th “normal” color for NYCTA equipment had become Tartar red which was what the World’s Fair fleet was supposed to be originally. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 30 02:44:31 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 26 19:47:09 2023. I lkiked it when thr R--20s were repainted in that scheme and was disappointed when the TA opted for Tartar red for the R-27/30s rather that the racing stripe scheme. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 30 02:52:05 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 26 23:02:05 2023. The way it was explained to me was that thr R-33 singles were under the R033 contract but built with R-36 parts which of course would include the picture window framing. That was done to provide Flushing Line passengers with a preview of what their new cars would look like so they wouldn't have to wait until the R-33 delivery was finished. When the entire Flushing Line fleet was complete, the R-36 MLs were then built with the parts including windows that were left over and originally intended for the R-33 singles. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 30 09:12:42 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 30 02:52:05 2023. The 36 ML were given the treatment that the R33 Mainline cars got.I don't see the reason for the switch up. The Whole R36 contract could have gone right to the Flushing Line,instead of splitting it up. The 33ML could have gone the same way. What caused the changes? The World's Fair.. the need to replace the Flushing line equipment and provide longer trains for service increases. The need to replace the mainline prewar cars became apparent,the R12/14/15 to the mainline would help expedite the process. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 2 03:40:19 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 30 02:44:31 2023. Typo. That should read “R-10s." |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 2 03:43:58 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 30 09:12:42 2023. The TA wanted to get the new World’s Fair cars out to the riding public ASAP so rather than make them wait until the entire R-33 Fleet was completed, the TA had St Louis Car manufacture the last of the R-33s with the R-36 parts which were already available for use. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 2 09:35:35 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 2 03:43:58 2023. I got that.Back then, it was pretty common for the TA to have multiple subway car orders being built at the same time. The R40a and the 42s are prime examples of this, along with the the R38 and 40. The strike at the STL plant forced that overlap, and caused a cascading effect on the rest of the upcoming orders. The R10, 12,and 14 were all being built at the same time, while the 15 came hot on the heels of the last 14. The R26, 27,28,29,30,33,36,32,were All being churned out back to back from 1959 to 1965. The 38s paused the output for a bit, only to be thrown right back.. 66/67/68/69 saw the delivery of the R38, 40,40a,42. 1970 brought the First R44, which was rejected, but the program wasn't set back, since they returned in 1971.. Hot on the heels was the lookalike cars, R46, which were delayed for several years until 1975..breaking up the record for consecutive delivery of newly contracted subway cars. It's been downhill ever since. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 2 09:40:42 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 26 13:14:59 2023. I don't know.. On the 27/30,they were pretty nice looking.I used to call em, "the Black Cars", because they Did in fact, look black. Plus, the Interior match the outside, reddish pink seats, cream walls. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Oct 2 13:33:28 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 30 02:44:31 2023. The R-15 paint scheme was more tasteful that the R-10/R-12 paint scheme |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 2 14:13:11 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Train Dude on Mon Oct 2 13:33:28 2023. I like that as well. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Oct 2 17:55:26 2023, in response to PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 26 21:07:07 2023. I TRIED TO DUPLICATE ONE OF THESE PHOTOS WITH 2000 REDBIRDS upload a photo |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Mon Oct 2 18:47:02 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 2 09:40:42 2023. When they (R27/R30) were new, they were shiny dark green. They quickly acquired a coating of brake dust and other dirt that made them a dull dark gray color. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 2 19:35:24 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by BMT Standard on Mon Oct 2 18:47:02 2023. I think the same can be said of just about every car clas before car washers came along. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 2 19:37:02 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 26 13:14:59 2023. IINM the BMT standards and Triplexes arrived from the factory painted dark brown. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 2 21:29:23 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by BMT Standard on Mon Oct 2 18:47:02 2023. I was a "Eastern Division spawn".Home line was the QJ,KK,M. By the time the 27/30 reached us, they were not so shiny, and due to steel dust, lack of washing, appeared "black". Didn't know until later that they were Supposed to be a dark green. I really liked them, until they were moved to the C line. After that, it seemed like they lost their luster, and died an ignoble unwarranted slow death. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 2 22:21:09 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 2 21:29:23 2023. They never looked right on the IND. They went to die on the C line. First the GE R27's, then the Westinghouse R27's, then the Westinghouse R30's, finally the R30 Redbirds.I operated R27/30's on the D fairly often as I had picked jobs there and the B and C a few times on overtime. They were decent cars except the R27 GE's. Plenty of dead motors and motors "dropping out". Likely that's why they did the overhaul on the GE R30's to extend their life a bit. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 2 22:23:23 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Train Dude on Mon Oct 2 13:33:28 2023. Yes. Too bad there were only 100 of them. And they weren't even consecutively numbered either. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 3 07:46:43 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 2 22:23:23 2023. The scheme reminded me of SIRT/BMT units. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 3 14:36:21 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 2 22:23:23 2023. They filled the hole in Flushing line service, for the moment.The design was unusual, as it incorporates a lot of the design points of the R11,12, and the 14s and introduced the complete turtle back roof to the the system. These cars were solid as solid could be. I pitied the railcar that picked a fight with these behemoths. The 15s also introduced Air Conditioning to the system, but for some reason, always seemed to clog up.. And drip water on the passengers. What I liked about the cars, were the porthole windows on the doors,a design only seen on the R11, and never used again after the 15s. Seems like the Board of Transportation wanted to push the envelope with car design, but not too much, given the fact that they went back to basics with the next round of contracts.. And repeated the process until designing the R44. The Only real change in appearance that was noticeable, was the Worlds Fair cars, the R32s, and the R40(a radical departure from the standard, but retained the basic dimensions). The 15s were the most unique of the post war equipment.. And it's unusual appearance only made us love them even more. As a footnote, the 15s brought the CRs of the day inside the car. Door Controls were placed in the cabs, instead of outside on a platform between cars.. Very dangerous for the CR, especially when it rained, bad weather and Winter played an ugly tune. Overall, I had a love hate type thing going on with the R15. I hated to see them coming, but loved riding them. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 3 14:45:55 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 2 22:21:09 2023. I Did see, And ride 27s on the D a few times.And you are right.. The 27/30 did not seem to fit the IND, the way the 32s just blended in. The Queens IND should have been used to them, since they were in RR service for a while before the Chrystie st swap. However, I never saw them in E service or F service. I Did see them in A service Once,in Redbird paint.. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 3 22:33:45 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 3 14:45:55 2023. When I was a new conductor (Nov. 1979 to Feb., 1981), they made occasional appearances on weekend F service during R46 usage restrictions due to the cracked trucks. They were 8 car M layups from the south end of the line. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 3 22:50:26 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 3 22:33:45 2023. Never knew that! That was peak HS age railfaning years for me! From 77-85, we rode all city, almost every weekend at least one day, and I never saw or rode in a 27/30 on the F |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 4 07:04:22 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 3 14:45:55 2023. That's how I feel as well0 the R27/30s were BMT local cars. Of course I know that they ran on just about every lettered route, but they just seem perfect, somehow, for BMT local service, and out of place anywhere else. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 4 21:23:15 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 3 14:45:55 2023. I rode on one or two R-27/30 D trains back in the day. One was signed as a DD. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 4 21:23:47 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 4 07:04:22 2023. I associate them with BMT lines, too. Ditto for the R-32s. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 5 01:59:43 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 2 09:35:35 2023. Ans with some of them coming from different manufacturers, things got even more complicated. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 5 02:07:34 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 3 14:36:21 2023. Only one R-15 had air conditioning and like the 10 R-17s that had A/C it wasn’t a success. As for the color of the R-15, the original color was a lot darker shade of red actually a maroon. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 5 02:16:55 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 26, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 2 19:37:02 2023. I’m aware of that but at some point the BMT painted its cars a lighter sort of "golden pancake" brown. The only thing I don’t know is the exact color the Multis were when brand new. |
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