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Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'' |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 25 20:50:34 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 24 14:03:08 2021. Of course when they talk about East Side Access opening, they make it seem like it started in the 90s, not in the 60s when it really first started when you consider the tunnel. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 25 23:04:09 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 24 10:57:29 2021. I think that's still in the plans. However, I doubt that those basements will ever become subway entrances - they even missed a prime opportunity for Whitehall Street/South Ferry when they rebuilt the station. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 26 08:37:27 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 25 20:50:34 2021. Yes, I agree. It started waaay back then. Also, I consider the various provisions for the SAS (like at 2nd Ave on and East Broadway, and maybe Grand Street) to have been that start to that project.So, with fits and starts, East Side Access has been underway for 50+ years, and the SAS for ~90 years. |
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Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'' |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 26 08:39:50 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 24 10:51:14 2021. I think 86th is ridiculous. I can't understand why, other than for Lex/63, which I know has to be deep, why the others couldn't have been copies of Cortlandt and Rector Streets. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 26 08:42:36 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by JAzumah on Thu Nov 25 14:24:29 2021. I don't know about the Army Corps of Engineers, but I do know that London has a very complex infrastructure, yet they're able to get jobs done far more efficiently. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 26 08:45:09 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 25 02:01:30 2021. That's what I thought- no tracks north of 99th St. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 26 09:14:38 2021, in response to $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a "bargain", posted by GojiMet86 on Tue Nov 23 22:58:38 2021. Hmm. Over in Europe, $6.9 billion can get you at least 1,725 miles of high-speed railroad and perhaps even more than that. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Nov 26 10:20:35 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 26 08:37:27 2021. Grand Street does have a provision for the SAS, but you have to look north into the tunnel to see it! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Nov 26 10:21:50 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Nov 24 19:36:53 2021. It'll be bargain for the people getting paid. :-( |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Nov 26 10:27:10 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 26 08:39:50 2021. Maybe putting in bells and whistles to make it look like it was worth the money. :-S |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 26 11:16:28 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 25 17:42:33 2021. Rome had to deal with that, too.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 26 11:18:31 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by qveensboro_plaza on Thu Nov 25 18:38:33 2021. IINM Chicago also rests on a layer of clay. There are photos of the State St. subway under construction in which workers sliced through the clay with knives. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 26 12:46:03 2021, in response to $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a "bargain", posted by GojiMet86 on Tue Nov 23 22:58:38 2021. “Everybody likes to talk about cost, but you’ve got to look at how many people it serves,” he (Lieber) said. “By the standards of riders, this is an incredibly efficient project, especially compared to everything else that comes before the federal government for funding.”You also have to keep in mind that unlike most projects in the US, this isn't providing high speed transit to people that don't have access to high speed transit. For most people this will be an incremental improvement over their existing options. That's a lot of money to get people somewhere 10% quicker. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 26 12:46:15 2021, in response to $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a "bargain", posted by GojiMet86 on Tue Nov 23 22:58:38 2021. “Everybody likes to talk about cost, but you’ve got to look at how many people it serves,” he (Lieber) said. “By the standards of riders, this is an incredibly efficient project, especially compared to everything else that comes before the federal government for funding.”You also have to keep in mind that unlike most projects in the US, this isn't providing high speed transit to people that don't have access to high speed transit. For most people this will be an incremental improvement over their existing options. That's a lot of money to get people somewhere 10% quicker. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 26 14:27:36 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by AlM on Wed Nov 24 14:56:59 2021. I'm not 37, anymore! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 26 14:46:49 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 26 08:42:36 2021. And the issue of the ruins is overstated. It might be a problem in the City, but like most cities, what most people call London (“Greater London”) is significantly larger in area than it was in Roman times. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 26 14:50:36 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by 3-9 on Fri Nov 26 10:20:35 2021. It’s a shame they didn’t built Grand Street like 63/Lex. Very short-sighted. And when they built Christie they even put in a provision for the LoMEx. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 26 14:52:22 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 25 23:04:09 2021. The planned stations are in different locations than in the 1960s-70s plans. The old plans called for Whitehall and Wall-Pine Streets, while the new plans call for Seaport (Fulton) and Hanover Square (Wall Street-Old Slip). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 26 16:10:49 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 26 08:39:50 2021. Because they purposely chose to deep bore instead of cut and cover to minimize surface disruption. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 26 16:15:31 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 26 14:27:36 2021. Neither am I, but you said “most of us.” |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 26 16:40:31 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 26 14:27:36 2021. I haven't been 37 in a long time.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 26 16:41:15 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by Easy on Fri Nov 26 12:46:03 2021. And get them there eventually. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 27 02:15:56 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 26 11:18:31 2021. There is (or at least was) a video cassette of the building of the State and Dearborn subways in Chicago showing the workers excavating the clay by hand between 1938 and 43. The State St subway opened first but as was the case with the IND S/O Rockaway Ave, WWII halted construction of the Dearborn St subway till after the war. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Nov 27 03:37:51 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by randyo on Sat Nov 27 02:15:56 2021. Thanks, randyo |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 27 12:48:28 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by randyo on Sat Nov 27 02:15:56 2021. Maybe not with knives, but machetes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 27 15:43:03 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 26 08:37:27 2021. Just watched the building of the Hoover Dam on the History Channel. An amazing accomplishment. The builder was given a deadline of seven years to finish. He completed it in five. I wonder how much more difficult phase 2 of the SAS is, if it is even more difficult at all.The Dam couldn't be built today in five years because of a greater concern for worker safety. Still can't see who two miles should take eight to ten years. |
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The case for a 125 St extension |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 27 15:58:49 2021, in response to $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a "bargain", posted by GojiMet86 on Tue Nov 23 22:58:38 2021. Came across this. Thought it was interesting.The case for a 125 St extension. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 27 16:42:03 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 27 15:43:03 2021. How long did it take to open the initial segment of the IND from start of construction ? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 27 20:34:36 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 27 15:43:03 2021. Denver's TREX project, a massive undertaking that widened I-25 from Broadway to Lincoln Ave. and included 19.5 miles of light rail, was completed in five years by using the design-and-build method. Initially it was expected to take seven years, but the contractor said they could do it in five - and they did. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 27 22:31:29 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 27 16:42:03 2021. Seven years, 1925-1932. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Nov 27 22:44:19 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by AlM on Thu Nov 25 17:11:51 2021. No, it is outside contractors low bidding and then charging a change order "premium". |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Nov 28 04:06:36 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 27 20:34:36 2021. Awesome, thanks, Steve B. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 28 07:04:06 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 27 22:31:29 2021. To take as long to extend from 99th to 125th even though tunnel for 16 of the 28 blocks has alrady been done. Not acceptable. Why does graft and corruption take so long ? |
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Re: The case for a 125 St extension |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sun Nov 28 15:54:35 2021, in response to The case for a 125 St extension, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 27 15:58:49 2021. I’ve always supported such an extension. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sun Nov 28 15:54:36 2021, in response to The case for a 125 St extension, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 27 15:58:49 2021. I’ve always supported such an extension. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 28 21:47:45 2021, in response to Re: The case for a 125 St extension, posted by Italianstallion on Sun Nov 28 15:54:36 2021. An extension north via 3rd Ave in the Bronx to Fordham U. makes sense and fully replaces the el, not just the Manhattan section. |
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Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'' |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Nov 28 22:56:44 2021, in response to $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a "bargain", posted by GojiMet86 on Tue Nov 23 22:58:38 2021. hurts me to look at it on the subway map. for manhattan island it's a pathetic lil' thing. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Nov 29 01:52:39 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 28 07:04:06 2021. You answered your own question.The longer it takes, the more ways to create more corruption there are. The more corruption, the more people are bought into it. The more people who buy in, the more durable the corrupt regime is. The plan seems to be run it till it drops, then have Uncle Sam print money to bail NY out. That already happened last year with Federal payouts to underfunded city and state pension plans, and probably to a dozen other things not disclosed in any news media. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Nov 29 12:42:52 2021, in response to Re: The case for a 125 St extension, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 28 21:47:45 2021. Chris, I would extend that route. Up Webster Ave, across Bronx Park diagonally to Gun Hill and White Plains Roads. Also extend the “D” train to the same terminal from 205th St. This routing would benefit “2” and “5” riders, as well. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 29 14:22:20 2021, in response to Re: The case for a 125 St extension, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 28 21:47:45 2021. The 1968 plan called for an extension along the NYC/MN tracks, which would be significantly cheaper and IMO doable. As for capacity, an el over the tracks to add subway tracks is more doable than building a new el on 3rd when it comes to NIMBYs. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 29 20:51:13 2021, in response to Re: The case for a 125 St extension, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 29 14:22:20 2021. Actually one of the principal proposals for the SAS in the Bronx was the connect it to the Dyre Ave Line when the entirety of the NYW&B ROW between Harlem River and E 180 was still intact |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 30 07:03:38 2021, in response to Re: The case for a 125 St extension, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 29 14:22:20 2021. Unless they can retain all 4 tracks this plan would be heavily opposed by MN. Any construction will cost billions and billions anyway. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 30 14:40:24 2021, in response to Re: The case for a 125 St extension, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 29 20:51:13 2021. The NYC plan would have connected to either the SAS or the Lexington line. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Nov 30 16:50:57 2021, in response to Re: The case for a 125 St extension, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 30 07:03:38 2021. Not sure why an el over MNRR would remove any tracks. The AirTrain el over the Van Wyck did not remove any traffic lanes. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 30 19:03:58 2021, in response to Re: The case for a 125 St extension, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 30 07:03:38 2021. heavily opposed by MNThat is the understatement of the year. Not to mention lots of very well-connected commuters. |
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Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'' |
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Posted by rashidas on Tue Nov 30 20:15:49 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by ntrainride on Sun Nov 28 22:56:44 2021. How difficult and expensive would it be to extend the 2nd avenue subway to the 125th Street station on the 8th avenue line? This would provide extra service to Washington Heights or Grand Concourse in the Bronx. |
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Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'' |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 30 20:55:07 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by rashidas on Tue Nov 30 20:15:49 2021. hell, first i heard of this thing it was gonna have six tracks in spots, and be a super-express. |
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Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 05:27:24 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a ''bargain'', posted by rashidas on Tue Nov 30 20:15:49 2021. By whose methodology?By the ones employed in the past, not all that hard, right? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Dec 1 11:25:05 2021, in response to The case for a 125 St extension, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 27 15:58:49 2021. Makes perfect sense. That's why it will never be built. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 12:31:35 2021, in response to Re: The case for a 125 St extension, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 30 19:03:58 2021. Did no one bother to read my post? |
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