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Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 11 14:15:11 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by JAzumah on Sat Dec 11 00:16:46 2021. Hate that name "Eurotunnel". Glad it's gone, even though "Getlink" is not much better.If NYC had let the private subway companies run freight at night as originally intended, that would have brought a huge pile of revenue to them. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 11 14:32:09 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 11 14:15:11 2021. Private railroads do not want freight profits cross subsizing passenger trains. That's why we have commuter rail authorities and Amtrak for 50 - 60 years. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Dec 11 19:17:59 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 11 14:15:11 2021. "If NYC had let the private subway companies run freight at night as originally intended, that would have brought a huge pile of revenue to them."That is an idea that probably ought to be resurrected, combined with full ADA elevator access at all subway stations, or at least as many as can practically be accomplished. Imagine major companies repurposing currently empty office space near subway stations as delivery transfer points for freight of various types. Freight would be put into the subway system at outlying points in the city. Deliveries would be made to the transfer points at night via subway, taking delivery trucks off the streets of the city and reducing pollution. The following day, the final step of the deliveries would be made from the transfer points, or perhaps smaller parcels and packages could be claimed from the transfer points by the recipients. The ADA elevators in the subway could be large enough to handle large freight loads at night and large numbers of passengers during the day. Wouldn't this sort of thinking benefit everyone? |
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Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 11 19:42:43 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Dec 11 19:17:59 2021. Delivering freight in the middle of the night via truck does not cause traffic congestion.It's not done much right now because businesses generally don't want to receive freight in the middle of the night. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Dec 11 20:14:37 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Dec 11 19:17:59 2021. i love it. it's an idea that keeps popping up.check this out: 
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 11 21:55:13 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Dec 11 20:14:37 2021. I see mention of freight on the subway in Chicago on there. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Dec 11 22:53:44 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 11 19:42:43 2021. The transfer points I described would operate 24 hours a day and the last leg of the delivery could be accomplished the next business day after the delivery to the local transfer point. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Dec 11 23:14:35 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Dec 11 22:53:44 2021. But you can deliver to the transfer points by truck as well, and you won't have to deal with late night train traffic. Also remember that it takes time to drop off cargo at these transfer points, which can easily hold up passenger trains. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Dec 11 23:18:37 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 11 21:55:13 2021. yep.i truly love the notion of the freight-only railway tunnels going from manhattan to freight yards in new jersey. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Dec 11 23:20:54 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 11 14:15:11 2021. I think senility is getting to you, otherwise you would've remembered why the IRT has such small and narrow cars. Even the BMT could have done a relaively comprehensive local freight network, but didn't. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Dec 12 02:20:55 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 11 21:55:13 2021. actually not. The Chicago Tunnel System was an entirely separate freight only network in the Loop and some nearby bits of downtown. Well documented history is available. In fact ssome parts of that tunnel system (which was built around the turn of the 19th to 20th century) were destroyed to make ROW for what are now CTA's subways.Most Chicagoans had no knowledge of the tunnels, but were rudely educated in 1992 whena segment under the river was breached flooding the whole network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_flood |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Dec 12 06:19:10 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Dec 12 02:20:55 2021. I read about the flood years ago. You could actually see a whirlpool like a sink drain where the tunnel was breached!It was also interesting when they discovered one of the locomotives and cars stored in a siding. Toward the end, they were just taking coal ash and storing them in sidings instead of disposing of it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 12 13:11:31 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by ntrainride on Sat Dec 11 23:18:37 2021. That was something that the Port Authority was commissioned to build and ended up never doing. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 12 13:14:45 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Dec 12 02:20:55 2021. So that's what the article meant by "freight subways". |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 12 13:15:59 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Dec 7 23:10:39 2021. Yes, and left-wing "solutions" will produce the opposite result. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Dec 12 14:55:14 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by 3-9 on Sun Dec 12 06:19:10 2021. it would have cost the city $35,000 to fix it when 1st.discovered,but no,lets put it off.when it burst thru it cost the city several million in lawsuits.tunnels were featured in the "blues brothers" |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Dec 12 14:55:16 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by 3-9 on Sun Dec 12 06:19:10 2021. it would have cost the city $35,000 to fix it when 1st.discovered,but no,lets put it off.when it burst thru it cost the city several million in lawsuits.tunnels were featured in the "blues brothers" |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Dec 12 16:06:41 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 12 13:11:31 2021. would have resulted in some fascinating infrastructure alterations. also patterns of commerce. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Dec 12 17:19:46 2021, in response to Re: $6.9 Billion Second Avenue Subway Phase II a “bargain”?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 12 13:14:45 2021. yes. Something my late grandfather told me about when I was a child. |
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