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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 02:05:56 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 14 23:06:13 2021. if you get two 137 trains in a row it tells the tower there is a gap in service. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Feb 15 09:00:27 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 14 23:17:26 2021. I remember when they borrowed the SIRT cars, they came with headlights & were removed when the cars entered subway service. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 15 09:42:20 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 00:15:30 2021. It’s probably the only place I’ve never ventured to in the subway system. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 15 11:36:57 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 14 23:11:52 2021. Did they ever document marker light definitions to the public ? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 15 12:21:48 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Feb 15 09:00:27 2021. Head light removed       
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Feb 15 12:27:54 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 15 12:21:48 2021. Yep. Thanks for posting! I wonder why they had to remove it? Why couldn't they just leave it off?? |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Feb 15 14:31:23 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Feb 15 12:27:54 2021. gee,why let the m/m see whats in the hole,we wouldn`t want to spoil him! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Feb 15 14:57:02 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 15 12:21:48 2021. Were these S.I. cars ever used on the Franklin shuttle? |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Feb 15 15:25:33 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Feb 15 14:57:02 2021. yup. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Feb 15 15:54:30 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Feb 15 15:25:33 2021. Were you on the job when they ran there? |
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Posted by Ble-nimx on Mon Feb 15 16:00:17 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 11 10:34:37 2021. Did any of the R9s get scrapped on the piers of 207 St Yard? I swear I had seen pictures years ago but I'm not sure now. |
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Posted by Ble-nimx on Mon Feb 15 16:00:42 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 11 10:34:37 2021. Did any of the R9s get scrapped on the piers of 207 St Yard? I swear I had seen pictures years ago but I'm not sure now. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 15 16:22:33 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Ble-nimx on Mon Feb 15 16:00:42 2021. I’ve seen pictures of Arnines but I can’t say they were R-9 cars. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Feb 15 16:26:20 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Feb 15 15:54:30 2021. I WAS 11 WHEN THEY RAN |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Feb 15 16:47:50 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Feb 15 16:26:20 2021. When you were 11, they were still running gate cars on the Frankie!!! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 15 18:43:53 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by murray1575 on Sun Feb 14 18:12:13 2021. All BMT number markings were officially dropped with the opening of the Chrystie St. connection. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 15 18:52:51 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 14 23:33:45 2021. Not that I’m aware of. In fact the only way I found out that the door control (bypass) buttons were sealed was from reading an old BMT instruction book that mentioned it. When I broke in on the steels, they were not sealed. Interestingly, the bypass button on the Multis was not sealed since what was used as a bypass (door control) button was the left hand buzzer button on the C/R’s door controls that were on the M/M’s side of the cab. The button was painted red. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 15 18:58:57 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 02:05:56 2021. Yes, although on the IRT in the old days, Tw/M usually didn’t keep train interval (gap) sheets at locations where there was a supervisor. On the BMT, on the other hand even when there was a supervisor in a tower like Dekalb or City Hall, the Tw/M kept gap sheets and the T/D just observed unless there was a service disruption that required his intevention. The IND tended to follow IRT procedure more closely so at places like 125 St and W 4 St the T/D and ATD kept the gap sheets and the Tw/M just lined up trains as he saw them unless ordered otherwise by the supervisor. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 15 19:01:48 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 15 11:36:57 2021. I seem to recall seeing something on a service guide but I can’t remember which of the divisions it was for. The PATH definitely published a guide of marker lights for passenger reference. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 15 19:10:19 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Feb 15 12:21:48 2021. Notice that th NYCTA paint scheme as used on the SIRT cars was based on the paint scheme of the R-15s although not completely identical. With reference to the headlight removal, it’s interesting that the TA installed the small running lights on the cars (SIRT didn't have them, they were only red taillights) around the same time it also installed battery deck lamps on the Lo0Vs to replace the kerosene lamps, yet it didn't bother to install sealed beam headlights on either of those groups of cars even though not too long after that the R-22s were ordered with seal beams as original equipment and the rest of the R types were retrofitted with them. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 15 19:17:10 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 14 23:40:06 2021. The normal Bway Bkln Lcl (which post Chrystie became the JJ and later the KK) had several AM intervals that originated at Canarsie and that terminated there in the PM. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 15 19:25:16 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Feb 14 23:41:36 2021. I don’t recall the Y/Y on the Sea Beach or the W/W on the West End but I definitely remember the G/G on the 4 Av. Pre Chrystie, the 4 Av Lcl was Y/G to Ctl and GG to 57 St, But when the 4 Av went to Astoria, the markers were G/G. post Chrystie, the 4 Av was routed back to Astoria and carried W/W till the markers were revamped and the 4 Av (RR) went back to G/G. What I do remember was the J that had been G/G to/from Broad St was changed to Y/Y. The West End would have had to have 2 sets of markers N/B one for 168 St and one for 57/6. When the markers were changed, the A to Lefferts and 207 St was changed from R/R to G/G and the AA lcl which had been R/G was chanced to G/R. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 15 19:48:03 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 15 18:43:53 2021. Although the BMT started numbering its routes in the 1920s long before the B of T assigned route numbers (often conflicting with the BMT’s) to the IRT after WWII, they were not officially used even though some of the cars displayed them. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 15 22:23:41 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Feb 12 06:45:07 2021. I'm trying to figure out the name of that theater underneath the El. It's not the Commodore, as that was across the street. |
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Posted by zac on Mon Feb 15 22:50:01 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 15 19:25:16 2021. I remember the QJ was R/R and the QB was R/G. The D train was G/Y for 205th-BB Bronx local, G/G for 205th-BB Bronx express and W/G for 205-CI Brighton local. I don't recall what the other lines were that ran through DeKalb although I knew them at the time. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Mon Feb 15 23:01:10 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 15 22:23:41 2021. There was a Marcy at Broadway and Marcy Avenue. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Feb 16 00:03:23 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Feb 15 23:01:10 2021. I know about the Commodore, but this picture is taken on the Queens-bound plat. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Feb 16 00:13:49 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Feb 16 00:03:23 2021. The Marcy Theater was on the southeast corner of Marcy Av and Broadway, so it was on the Queens bound side of the el. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Feb 16 00:51:28 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by VictorM on Tue Feb 16 00:13:49 2021. Oh, ok! |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Feb 16 02:14:46 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by zac on Mon Feb 15 22:50:01 2021. The QB ended up with the R/G markers of the pre Chrystie Brighton Exp and the reason the RR was made W/W was because the TA wanted the D exp to retain its original G/G markers. By the way, one thing I noticed about the pre Chrystie BMT was that it didn’t seem top make a difference which side the markers were on since there were no duplications. Thus the Sea Beach could be either R/W or W/R, the Brighton Exp could be either G/R or R/G. Also, pre Chrystie, the Brighton Lcl carried R/R going to Astoria and W/W going towards Stl which may explain why the RR was assigned W/W in both directions post Chrystie. Now on the pre Chrystie IND, the order of the colors did make a difference. For example, the E to/from Hudson Terminal was R/W while the F to Bway Laf (and later 2 Ave) was W/R. The D when lcl on the Concourse was G/Y while the BB was Y/G. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Feb 16 07:29:20 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Tue Feb 16 02:14:46 2021. If memory serves, the E to Far Rockaway/Rock Park kept its R/W markers on the Arnines until the end of that service in 1976. Towards the end of the extended E, Slants and R-40Ms began running this service, but I recall the prewar cars going to the ocean all the way to the service cuts.My dim childhood memories of the HH, which was an AM rush hour shuttle between Far Rock/Rock Park and Euclid Ave, had G/R markers, same as the A that ran straight through from Far Rock to 207, although the HH was almost exclusively operated with Arnines, while the A (before 1970 or so) was the domain of R-10s with an occasional R-1/9 as needed. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Feb 16 07:55:49 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 00:15:30 2021. +1My grandparent's last house was a 1/2 block from Newlots Av station. Moved there in late 1962 and they lived there until their respective deaths (1965 for grandfather, 1976 for grandmother). My parents and I lived with them until mid-1964, when they bought a house in lower Crown Heights. I would love to go back in time and video the 2 from Utica to Newlots, at the open RFW of an R-21 or R-22. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Feb 16 08:11:59 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Feb 15 14:57:02 2021. Botanic Gardens 
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Feb 16 08:20:02 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Thu Feb 11 18:45:45 2021.  |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Feb 16 08:37:25 2021, in response to [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Feb 16 08:11:59 2021. Yes, they were! Great photo, and thanks for posting and sharing this on this forum.-William A. Padron ["SIRTOA"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Feb 16 08:40:48 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Feb 16 08:20:02 2021. Great photo that you posted and shared with thanks!Oh my, the side doors were really looking worn out by that time too! -William A. Padron ["(JJ")] |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 16 19:19:24 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 15 19:48:03 2021. Not enough cars had front signs for that system to catch on. You never saw any number references on BMT subway maps, just route titles. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Feb 16 23:32:59 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 16 19:19:24 2021. Yeah- my 1963 map doesn't show number/letter designations for any IRT or BMT routes- even though the R16s had BMT route numbers and the R27/30s were running on the Southern Division by then...showing letters like N, Q, QB, QT, and T. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 17 01:46:45 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Feb 16 07:29:20 2021. Until the revamping of the marker lights, the R/W markers were only used on the Es to Hudson Terminal. Es to Bkln had different sets of markers which I don’t recall at the moment. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 17 02:12:42 2021, in response to [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Feb 16 08:11:59 2021. Something I also recall about the SIRT cars when I rode them on the BMT is that unlike normal subway equipment which has drop sash side windows, the SIRTs had windows that lifted from the bottom like el cars and protective screens to keep passengers from sticking their arms out. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Feb 17 08:45:37 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Feb 16 23:32:59 2021. Main: The first subway map to list route letter for the BMT Southern Section Lines was issues in 1965. It was titled "World's Fair Subway Map". Letters shown were Q,QB,QT,N,T,TT,T and RR. No mention was made of the Nassau St-Brighton or Nassau St-Fourth Av services which used the letter "M'. The first subway map to list the IRT route numbers was issued in 1967 (pre November). Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 17 11:59:10 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Feb 17 08:45:37 2021. Thanks much!! I guess when the R32s came along, it was easy to designate more BMT routes with official letters.Of course, by that time, most IRT equipment could and display route numbers, so I wonder why they didn't list them on maps... |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Wed Feb 17 12:33:33 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Feb 17 08:45:37 2021. No mention was made of the Nassau St-Brighton or Nassau St-Fourth Av services which used the letter "M'These services, also referred to as "Bankers' Specials", were never listed on maps/service guides going back to the BMT days of the 1920s. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Feb 17 15:37:17 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 17 11:59:10 2021. Of course, by that time, most IRT equipment could and display route numbers, so I wonder why they didn't list them on maps... The IRT cars at that time only carried the route numbers on the front rollsigns. The side signs only had the route names. Sometime in the 1970s new route signs began to appear on the IRT cars which had route numbers and names on both the end and side signs. Does anyone know the exact date when this began? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by zac on Wed Feb 17 16:07:39 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Feb 16 23:32:59 2021. I recall that the skip-stop service notice for the Brighton line in 1964 had the express listed as 1 and the local as QT. Someone just recently posted that notice but I didn't pay attention to the details. At that point in time only the triplexes ran as the express, but the R32s started coming pretty soon after. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Feb 17 16:46:05 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 15 18:43:53 2021. That is true. R-16 cars still displayed numbered route signs until Chrystie St. opened and then they were fitted with new signs that had letters only. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 17 17:00:35 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by murray1575 on Wed Feb 17 16:46:05 2021. And only 10 through 16 at that.Strange they had Astoria on the north sign and Brighton Beach on the south sign, so must have contemplated Broadway-Brighton service, yet no route sign for 1. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 17 18:07:09 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Feb 17 15:37:17 2021. I remember seeing a 3 train with numbers on its side route signs in 1979. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 17 18:20:29 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 17 18:07:09 2021. Color coded ? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 17 18:55:40 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 17 18:07:09 2021. By that time the MTA was installing numbered side signs on the iRT cars although initially with the older color scheme. |
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