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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jul 31 06:21:44 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 01:36:15 2020. I don't see why something similar to what BART and MARTA (whose airport stations both see higher usage than Howard Beach) do wouldn't work for JFK. Build one station on property at the most popular terminal or whatever other criteria you would like to use to determine which terminal should get the station, and use the Airtrain to transport passengers going to other terminals. That alone would be an immense improvement over the current situation and would undoubtedly entice more riders to take public transportation to the airport. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 31 08:10:06 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jul 31 06:07:43 2020. Ah well, 30 years too late. :) |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jul 31 09:47:32 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jul 31 05:22:02 2020. The problem with the junction at Mineola is that it is an at-grade junction. The Main Line is very busy and an at grade junction would only add to delays. You could put a switch on the eastbound track but the train would still have to cross over the Mainline Tracks which could potentially hold up traffic on the Main Line plus it is possible that not all cars using the OB Line can platform at the station. A flying junction would be a solution but the overpass east of Mineola station would be a challenge. Building a tunnel would also be another solution but it would be expensive.While this would be a problem, it may not be as big as we think it is. I don't think the OB Line makes up much of the ridership at Mineola. We'll have to see what happens. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jul 31 14:36:29 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jul 31 09:47:32 2020. I appreciate some of the background information behind the LIRR's decision. Looking at the LIRR's plans to eliminate Willis Avenue and 2nd Street crossings, and looking at Mineola's street layout, could a flyover beginning east of the Mineola overpass could be a practical solution? I understand that cost comes into play here, but I'm particularly interested in how steep the grade on such a flyover would have to be in order for it to get back down to grade level by say Jericho Turnpike on the Oyster Bay branch. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 31 15:23:45 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jul 31 09:47:32 2020. I agree with your premise. While the set up is not ideal, looking at the ridership and headways between trains on the OB Branch, even in the peak, I don't think OB trains would create a big congestion problem if the schedules are written well.Yes, you can't set your watch to an LIRR arrival, but it's a paper railroad. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 31 16:18:14 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by ro_jo on Fri Jul 31 00:16:07 2020. But they can’t be used for every train that arrives there. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 31 19:46:59 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jul 31 09:47:32 2020. The eastbound Oyster Bay will not run wrong main from Jamaica. It will have to cutover either at Queens or just west of Mineola station. Putting the switch west of the platform rather than east doesn't change the fact that it will still happen.If the service were made a shuttle to the middle track at Mineola, configured like Hicksville or Babylon, 2 train sets would mean hourly service. Lack of frequency negatively impacts ridership more than a transfer moved from Jamaica to Mineola. It is too expensive to run all hourly service now, but very inefficient the way they run. Two train sets now provide bi-hourly service on weekends. With the long lay over in Jamaica, it could run every 90 minutes at no increase in cost. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri Jul 31 20:24:32 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jul 31 09:47:32 2020. I expect that the ultimate solution will be to shuttle-ize the Oyster Bay branch during weekends and off-peak hours and to build a stub-ended fourth track to the north of the westbound platform at Mineola (similar to what Metro North is doing at Stamford with Track 7 and also a fairly common design in much of Europe).This would allow the shuttles to access Mineola without ever landing on the Main Line. During rush hours when direct access to/from Jamaica and points west was being offered, westbounds would merge as they do now. Eastbound trains could use the middle track from Jamaica to just west of Mineola before switching to the westbound local track and heading to Oyster Bay (either stopping or not stopping at Mineola's westbound platform. I don't think there would be any room or any local support for a flyover or tunnel solution. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Aug 1 12:26:18 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 03:48:52 2020. The discussion about the "Old PC Expo's" is an interesting walk down memory lane. It is fun!If you want to have another fun trip down memory lane but this time using the #7 train - take a look at the whole message stream for: Re: NYCC In Subway Shocker No No. 7 Trains This Weekend by Hey Paul http://www.subchat.com/readflat.asp?Id=1488463&p=1#1488523 In any case, everyone have a good day! Mike |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 1 12:32:39 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jul 27 11:45:47 2020. So saith the fearmonger. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Sat Aug 1 13:15:24 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jul 27 11:45:47 2020. That is not entirely true . Conventions are very important networking events .Many people here only think about consumer conventions . Those are not the main source of a convention centers business . Business to business conventions are a key Source of networking between companies and other potential business partners . There is no replacement for live interactions . Much of the information online is slickly produced infomercial . The person running the company is almost as important as the product / idea / service they are selling when evaluating a potential business partner . A convention center close to an jfk and on a major transit line is a key advantage . Flights from alMost every nation in the world land at jfk . Just a heads up , covid 19 is just a more potent form of the SARS virus that swept Asia about a decade ago . There will be treatment and a vaccine and life will go on . No is the time to make smart investments for the future . The nyc metro area transit systems need to work towards a more merged operation by moving the technologies they operate closer together so they can operate over each other’s lines . This may be a 20 plus year time frame to buy compatible equipment , training staff and working through political opposition. . |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 1 17:19:59 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 22 08:54:19 2020. Ah, but there might be people on Long Island who want's to go Jersey. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 1 18:33:42 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Charles G on Fri Jul 31 20:24:32 2020. There is no nice solution to this. They have painted themselves into a corner. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 9 15:24:35 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Brightonr68 on Sat Aug 1 13:15:24 2020. Even consumer conventions benefit from in-person interactions. Lots of people go to Comic-con to see the actors, directors, and producers hawking their latest movies and shows and to ask questions and the like. You can also visit the tables and check out what's being sold and what's being given. It's just not the same to see it online - it's only slightly more interactive than seeing it on youtube. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 9 17:27:44 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jul 30 04:56:42 2020. That's what happens when your airport improvements are funded by a bi-state authority, I guess. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Aug 10 01:01:34 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 9 15:24:35 2020. 😄!You Know what time it is! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Aug 10 01:03:11 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 9 15:24:35 2020. 😄!You Know what time it is! Especially the Screening Rooms! Swag is a must have! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 12 06:28:56 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Edwards! on Mon Aug 10 01:03:11 2020. IAWTP! :-) |
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