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[PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019

Everyone's talking about R-46's, so what the hell !
Delivery by LIRR Bay Ridge Br, Parkville Jct and McDonald Ave to Coney Island.
I passed by on the (F) yesterday and it seems an apartment building is going up on or near Parkville Jct.
Is that a red Plymouth Valiant or Dodge Dart ? (April 23, 1975)

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High speed testing on LIRR at Kew Gardens. (April 24, 1975)
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Fresh off the car float is #888 and others delivered at 50th St & 1st Ave. Brooklyn.
(December 30, 1977)
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I was riding the West End (B) line one day and saw the delivery of R-46's unfolding.
Luckily, I had my camera bag and lenses with me. (July 1978)

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Ready for their journey to Coney Island yard, up pops a put-in of R-32's on the (RR).
Stored on the lower level 9th Ave for the PM rush hour. (July 1978)

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(F) Culver express switching to the local track at Kings Hwy. (July 1978)
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R-46's with "Train to the Plane' on their blue band at Howard Beach. (Sept. 24, 1978)
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Leaving Stillwell Terminal in Coney Island is #1270, brand new with short lived Rockwell HPT-2 trucks.
Now gone Astroland Astro Tower on your right. (October 1978)

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Not a reroute, but a "dead head" move to Coney Island yard. Location is Avenue H on the Brighton Line. (July 1979)
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At Ditmas Ave. on the (F) line. (July 1979)
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A pair of General Overhauled R-46's enroute to CIY at Ft. Hamilton Pkwy on the (B) Line. (May 31, 1990)
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Inside the Brooklyn Army Terminal are R-46's ready for shipment to M-K for General Overhaul,
while newly overhauled units await shipment to SBK yard. (July 31, 1990)

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Thanks for viewing and thanks in advance

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jun 24 12:01:49 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

Great stuff! Nice seeing the old Rockwell trucks again. If only they had worked out. Thanx for posting.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 24 12:07:03 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

FANTASTIC PHOTOS

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by WayneJay on Mon Jun 24 12:58:44 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

Love it! Thanks a bunch

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 24 13:24:30 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

thanks for the afternoon meditation photos.



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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by rbseabeach on Mon Jun 24 13:31:40 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 24 13:24:30 2019.

best looking car ever!

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 24 14:45:25 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by rbseabeach on Mon Jun 24 13:31:40 2019.

R 27/30 is the GOAT

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Jun 24 16:08:12 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

Awesome.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jun 24 16:41:14 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

WOW! The second one is at my home LIRR station!

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by Dave on Mon Jun 24 17:28:48 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

Outstanding!


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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 24 18:49:18 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

nice set of pix

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jun 24 19:47:19 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

The red car in the first pic has Plymouth tailights

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Jun 25 09:37:15 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

AWESOME!!!!!!

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jun 25 11:09:08 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Jun 25 09:37:15 2019.

AWESOME!!!!!

Thanks, you know the R 46's were built in your back yard at Pullman-Standard.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jun 25 14:47:44 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jun 24 19:47:19 2019.

The red car in the first pic has Plymouth tailights

Thanks, must be a company car.

Bill Newkirk



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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Tue Jun 25 15:59:46 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

Can't thank you enough for the great photos.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jun 25 19:24:06 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

Excellent photos!!!
Thank you for sharing.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 26 08:08:17 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

I remember some of these photos from the various subway calendars I bought over the years.

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[PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 26 11:16:15 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

Just when you seen enough, here are some more R 46's. On the barge are the two bi-centenial R-46's and others. (June 27, 1976)
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R 46's in the eastern division at Myrtle-Wycoff Ave, an ERA fan trip of course. (July 4, 1976)
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The fantrip on the flyover track at Broadway Jct. (July 4, 1976)
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Something for all you Conrail fans and new R-46's in New Jersey at Croxton yard. (June 5, 1977)
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I hope #4 Sea Beach Fred is watching. At 8th Ave Sea Beach line station. (December 6, 1976)
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Hey, remember the bi-centennial stickers ? (September 1978)
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Three rare views at Morrison-Knudsen for the R 46 general overhaul. (June 5, 1990)
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R 46's on the (A) is no big deal today, but during the Rockwell truck fiasco, here they are at 207th St.
Look carefully at the (A) roll sign. If you stare long enough, you'll see (EE) underneath. (November 28, 1980)

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Something for all you ALCO fans, NY Cross Harbor #21 leads a train of R 46's to the Brooklyn Army terminal. (November 1980)
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And closing out the R 46 photo essay, at Liberty Jct tower is an R 46 (R) reroute. Yes, this is real. (February 15, 1994)
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Maybe if LuchAAA behaves himself, I'll do an R 27 photo essay. lol Thanks for viewing and thanks in advance for all you comments

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Jun 26 12:20:41 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 26 11:16:15 2019.

wow thankx.
i remember touring that bicentenial r-46 @ the transit museum!
At the 8th Avenue station with the N R-46 no one could exit @ 7th Avenue in that photo because the exit was closed by the time the R-46 arrived. BUT......
If you were to go there today the entrance has been re-opened after 45 years!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally do you have any pics of the R-44?

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jun 26 13:22:54 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 26 11:16:15 2019.

These are gold, thanks for sharing!

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jun 26 13:53:54 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 26 11:16:15 2019.

Great stuff. Thanks for posting!!

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Jun 26 14:11:27 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 26 11:16:15 2019.

NICE PHOTOS

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by chud1 on Wed Jun 26 14:16:29 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Jun 26 14:11:27 2019.

EXCELLENT AND OUTSTANDING
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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 26 14:42:57 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Jun 26 12:20:41 2019.

Finally do you have any pics of the R-44?

Oh yeah, that's down the road.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 26 14:44:21 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by chud1 on Wed Jun 26 14:16:29 2019.

EXCELLENT AND OUTSTANDING
chud1


I guess these photos stopped you from drooling. LOL

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by chud1 on Wed Jun 26 15:19:08 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 26 14:44:21 2019.

FOR NOW LOL.
CHUD1

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Jun 26 15:22:46 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 26 11:16:15 2019.

Wow, it's cool to see the R46 on the Eastern Division. I've seen that one other photo of the R46 at Fresh Pond. I'm a little surprised there are no other photos or a video floating online.

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by gbs on Thu Jun 27 00:10:17 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 26 11:16:15 2019.


Wow, I didn't remember that 207 St was also originally a stripe-less, colorless station! I thought the only such one was 175 St (and it still is, unlike the renovated 207 St):





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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 27 02:14:32 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by gbs on Thu Jun 27 00:10:17 2019.

Wow, I didn't remember that 207 St was also originally a stripe-less, colorless station! I thought the only such one was 175 St (and it still is, unlike the renovated 207 St):

I can't fathom as to why no color stripes at 207th & 175th Sts. Perhaps some IND buff here would know.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 27 02:16:58 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Jun 26 15:22:46 2019.

Wow, it's cool to see the R46 on the Eastern Division. I've seen that one other photo of the R46 at Fresh Pond. I'm a little surprised there are no other photos or a video floating onl

I didn't attend that fan trip. If I did, I would have seen at least someone with a movie camera. Today, everyone's cell phone is a movie camera. :)

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Thu Jun 27 02:33:15 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 26 11:16:15 2019.

Thanks as always for sharing your beautiful photos. As a retired TA Motorman Instructor I can appreciate their value.

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Jun 27 03:36:09 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 27 02:14:32 2019.

Only the original architect the late Squire Vickers, who designed the stations, would have known that answer. Oddly, the original large mosaic tablets at 190th Street and 181st Street, plus the small ones seen on the mezzanines from 175th Street to 207th Street, are said to be considered colored as "burgundy". None of those five stations that I mentioned, plus the 8th Avenue local stations from 163rd Street to 23rd Street, had the stripe tile bands as originally planned and designed.

IND Station Tile Colors

-William A. Padron
["190"]

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Classic Car (Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6)

Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jun 27 05:00:27 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

I see a beige/yellowish '69 or '70 Dodge Charger with a black top in the top photo. My favorite car of all time.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jun 27 05:30:29 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 24 11:57:56 2019.

Awesome photos, thanks for sharing!

On a related note, does the MTA/Transit Museum still have an example of the Rockwell truck? I remember them displaying one on the platform around the time the museum opened. In later years, after the problems with the trucks appeared, the description plaque was removed, but the truck remained, IIRC. It was removed when they revamped their displays years ago.

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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 27 08:47:23 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 27 02:16:58 2019.

I wish I knew about that trip.

I wasn't a member of the ERA at that time, I never knew about that organization either.

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Re: Classic Car (Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6)

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 27 08:54:13 2019, in response to Classic Car (Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6), posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jun 27 05:00:27 2019.

I see a beige/yellowish '69 or '70 Dodge Charger with a black top in the top photo. My favorite car of all time.

I noticed that too. That Charger is in big demand today for classic car restorers.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 27 08:55:43 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jun 27 05:30:29 2019.

Awesome photos, thanks for sharing!

On a related note, does the MTA/Transit Museum still have an example of the Rockwell truck? I remember them displaying one on the platform around the time the museum opened. In later years, after the problems with the trucks appeared, the description plaque was removed, but the truck remained, IIRC. It was removed when they revamped their displays years ago.


Can't say for sure if it was kept. Perhaps scrapped as an embarrassment for the truck fiasco.

Bill Newkirk



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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Jun 27 09:25:27 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 26 11:16:15 2019.

NICE!

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by jailhousedoc on Thu Jun 27 09:28:35 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 26 11:16:15 2019.

I was told that the R-46 class of cars was banned from the Eastern Division - yet here is photo proof of them running on the Myrtle Ave. Line and the Canarsie. Could a more knowledgeable person speak about this ?

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 27 11:50:20 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by jailhousedoc on Thu Jun 27 09:28:35 2019.

I was told that the R-46 class of cars was banned from the Eastern Division - yet here is photo proof of them running on the Myrtle Ave. Line and the Canarsie. Could a more knowledgeable person speak about this ?

I believe they were banned from the Jamaica el because of close clearances past ENY.
Also a close clearance past Essex St off the Willy B. Here they are in ENY yard in April of 1981

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 27 12:05:12 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 27 11:50:20 2019.

Are those GE R16's in storage ? Notice the B and S route signs, though the latter may be from the Bankers RR service.

There seems to be an R27 in the background signed BB, and also a couple of R10 sets. I know they got put on the J fora few months. They must have blanked all the signs.

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 27 13:11:59 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by jailhousedoc on Thu Jun 27 09:28:35 2019.

They could not run in regular service on the Eastern because their end and center excess would cause clearance problems with 2 trains of them passing on the curves entering and leaving the Willy B. One train at a time under strictly controlled circumstances was not a problem.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jun 27 13:45:48 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R - 4 6, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 27 08:55:43 2019.

I certainly hope it wasn't scrapped, since it was the last example after the R-46s got replacements.

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 27 14:57:13 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 27 12:05:12 2019.

Are those GE R16's in storage ?

Yes, look at the roofs, not a spec of steel dust. Haven't turned a wheel for some time. GE R-16's in mothballs at Rockaway Park, Fresh Pond and Concourse yards to name a few.

Notice the B and S route signs, though the latter may be from the Bankers RR service.

Can't say for sure if those GE R-16's were on the (B) or not. Maybe the (S) was for a dead head move.

There seems to be an R27 in the background signed BB, and also a couple of R10 sets.

I don't know, lots of mysteries in that photo, like the appearance of R 10's. I heard those r-46's were there for some repair work of sorts at ENY shops.

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 27 15:06:30 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 27 13:11:59 2019.

They could not run in regular service on the Eastern because their end and center excess would cause clearance problems with 2 trains of them passing on the curves entering and leaving the Willy B.

Yes, I heard years ago that this was just outside Essex St.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by gbs on Thu Jun 27 19:21:05 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Jun 27 03:36:09 2019.


Though the IND color chart shows Lexington Av (E,M) to be in the red family (like its neighbor Fifth Av), I believe Lex is the only completely non-tiled IND station at the platform level; its walls are painted, not tiled.

Squire Vickers, we want answers.

1999:


2009:


2010:

Notice how the "Lexington Av-53 St" signs on the red conduit have now been removed. This is progress according to the MTA.

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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Jun 28 03:08:55 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 27 14:57:13 2019.

They look more likely to be the IRT R-12/14's instead, because they have eight vents per side on their ogee roof top exteriors, as I had counted them. The R-10's had seven of them however.

-William A. Padron
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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jun 28 08:13:56 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 27 15:06:30 2019.

Yes.
It was because of this,the TA was tossing around the idea of using slightly narrower rail cars for the Eastern Division routes.
THIS evolved into the R143s type car with the tapered upper body of a little over 9ft.
The original idea was an Expanded IRT sized car of 65-67ft,simular to the original R62 design car.
However,both designs were dropped in favor of uniformity system wide.
R143 design proved to be so durable and eye catching,that there was no REAL need to make any major changes other than core technology(see R211).
BODY WISE,the design is sound.
To me,the R110B would have been the car for the immediate future if it were 65ft instead of 67ft.



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Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jun 28 09:03:37 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] More R - 4 6' s, posted by jailhousedoc on Thu Jun 27 09:28:35 2019.

R68`s too.somebody sent a train of R 68`s down the Jamaica EL and they got stuck "roundin`da- bend" at Alabama ave.


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