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Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 24 05:59:06 2018, in response to Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Dec 23 23:27:51 2018. So they're replacing the Genesis locomotives already? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 24 07:03:34 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 24 05:59:06 2018. Yes already. They are at least 20 years old and have more mileage on them than the F40's ever got. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Dec 24 07:23:21 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 24 05:59:06 2018. The article says they are 25 years old, and I don't think they ever got a major rebuild. Rebuilds is what allowed locomotives like the FL9 to last so long. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 09:51:29 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 24 05:59:06 2018. Amtrak likes to throw stuff away after just two decades, or even sooner. They just loved their SDP40Fs and P30CHs. And of course, the FRA with their "Tier X" emissions rules means more public money spent. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 10:03:39 2018, in response to Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Dec 23 23:27:51 2018. This pic got me. Do they think Amtrak hoggers are now so dumb as to no longer be able to find the exit door? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 24 10:21:52 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 09:51:29 2018. Problem with the Genesis is parts obsolescence, GE no longer supports the Dash 8 line of Locomotives. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 24 10:23:24 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 10:03:39 2018. Law dictates it must be clearly marked, maybe its beneficial to occasional manager or Road Foreman. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Dec 24 10:33:24 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Dec 24 07:23:21 2018. The remaining 25 year old ones did get a major rebuild, but the 20 year old ones didn't. |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Mon Dec 24 10:37:15 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 24 10:21:52 2018. That's OK, GE doesn't support anything else they make, either.GE pretty much doesn't exist much anymore, IIRC, they're down to Power, Healthcare, and jet engines. And they're spinning off healthcare. What they do with Power, who knows. The gas turbine market is soft, the steam turbine market softer, and the BWR is a dead end nuclear technology. My guess is that within 5 years, GE will be at best a jet engine company with a few other legacy chunks being shut down. The engines stuff will go to the highest bidder, which will be maybe Honeywell, UTC (doubtful),or Safran (if the regulators allow it). Automation stuff went to Emerson Electric, so, I guess the PLC and software line is as good as dead now (and, our GE rep has no clue who owns what anymore, and parts are starting to get hung up in the dreaded 'engineering hold'. I'm not wild about the RX3i line, the SCADA software was decent enough, but losing a viable alternative to Allen Bradley and fucking Siemens, sucks) |
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Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 10:40:34 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 24 10:23:24 2018. maybe its beneficial to occasional manager or Road ForemanThat made me laugh. Make sure they have them installed in their homes and automobiles too. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 10:42:23 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 24 10:21:52 2018. There must be something in aftermarket. After all, Delaware-Lackawanna still runs their Alcos and MLWs almost daily.Amtrak wants to keep up with the FRA and EPA. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 24 10:45:19 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 09:51:29 2018. SDP40Fs were derailing often and banned from several host Class I's as non trackworthy. They had to go. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 24 10:47:57 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by nasadowsk on Mon Dec 24 10:37:15 2018. GE will be unrecognizable in a few years, going down the same tubes as Westinghouse. Since Jack Welch came along, they ran manufacturing into the ground, and tried to turn the company into a bank, which has now been spun off. It is irreversible now.As for the Genesis engines, they can't even replace the trucks. |
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Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 24 10:49:15 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 10:40:34 2018. Similar regs as in passenger train cars with reflective striping near the floor, in case of severe smoke condition. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 11:17:03 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 24 10:49:15 2018. That at least makes sense.When they start appearing in truck cabs, beam me off this rock. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 11:21:46 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 24 10:45:19 2018. Funny that Amtrak even bought them, never mind rushed to buy a plethora of F40PHs (which they used for about the same length of time as the Genesis) when a fix would have been cheaper.The similar non-steam-heat F40Cs were "trackworthy" for 30 years. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Dec 24 11:22:09 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 11:17:03 2018. Don't forget the STOP signs attached to all bumper blocks. The bumper block and usual wall behind it should give you the subtle indication to stop. Nontheless the STOP sign is there...as required by law. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 24 13:40:00 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 24 10:47:57 2018. Will be comical if Honeywell buys up the carcass. GE tried to buy them back when they actually had cash flow.Sad. They made IMHO superior circuit breaker panels--now that part is another piece of ABB. Since they already had a US subsidiary in the same business, "synergy" will slim down the choices. The half life of industrial enterprises is diminishing at a rapid rate. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 24 13:45:33 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 10:42:23 2018. The Electronics are just no longer made, the Diesel itself is not the problem.Metro North just got one P32acdm back on road waiting for year to get parts, a week later another one got long term shopped due to no parts. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 24 13:52:00 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 11:21:46 2018. so it appears from some retrospective studies that the design of the water tanks for the steam heat system generated excessive sway at passenger train speeds. It would seem that incompetent design doomed theengines. As to the F40Cs apparently the sloshing water design issues were corrected.In my paper files I may still have the SP's internal instructions to crews as to speed restrictions. All of which comes around to the lurking suspicion that Anderson is re-playing the early Amtrak scenario of buying a model which can be sold off (in this case to commuter agencies) when he finishes off the LDTs. |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Mon Dec 24 14:20:31 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 24 13:40:00 2018. For residential/commercial breakers, Square-D was always better. Not that GE's stuff was bad per se, but Square-D's was better.For motor control centers, the old GE's were decent, the new ones are junk, like the rest of GE's low voltage line. Our GE rep doesn't even bother trying to sell us their pilot lights, switches, contactors, etc. Square-D and ABB are better (esp the IEC stuff, but you're a moron or the NYC DEP if you're still using NEMA devices). Actually, for 30mm and 22mm, I'm using IDEC more and more, 1/2 the cost of Square-D and better built (and actually made in Japan). For drives? Forget it, I wouldn't even look at GE. ABB, Schneider (Square-D/Telemechanique), Yaskawa, and a few others first. Realistically, ABB, unless the customer's a cheapskate. There's a few misguided souls who still use Eaton. I don't know why. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 24 14:50:37 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by nasadowsk on Mon Dec 24 14:20:31 2018. I disagree on the breakers/panels. SqD has the indicator feature, but GE always engineered the specialty (ArcFault, Ground Fault) to fit a standard slot without fouling the wire gutter area unlike both SqD, Eaton and some Siemens.And then there is the copper v (junk) aluminum bus bar issue. SqD catalogs copper--but the distributors don't stock them and they are not price competitive. I have had to replace burnt out aluminum busbars of Murray (Siemens), SqD, Challenger(Bryant) and others, but never a GE even when they were mixing alum and copper parts. FWIW, if memory serves, it was the GE Metroliners that first went into service because the Westinghouse units had issues. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Dec 24 14:57:02 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 09:51:29 2018. Diesels only have a 20 year life before a rebuild or replacement is needed and GE locomotives are generally rebuild resistant because they were always the budget option compared to EMD. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 24 15:01:28 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Dec 24 14:57:02 2018. I never liked the Genesis. From the start, they had all too frequent computer problems, and had to be rebooted, or call tech support.My last trip behind an Amtrak F40 was in 2001 on an Empire Builder. It was a Genesis, an F40, and another Genesis. Before we got to Milwaukee, they had to take the lead unit off line to continue. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 15:22:02 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Dec 24 14:57:02 2018. Funny how lots of EMD locos got beyond two decades without a full rebuild. I cited the F40C in this thread. |
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Posted by lirr42 on Mon Dec 24 15:29:36 2018, in response to Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Dec 23 23:27:51 2018. With the original Siemens Charger order, the VIA order, and now the 75 additional locomotives, there are successors to all of the Genesis locomotives except the ones used on state-supported services in the northeast and mid-Atlantic (plus OK and NC), which makes one wonder what's going to happen with those...The Metro-North dual mode procurement currently underway includes some additional design options, including higher-speed dual modes and AC/overhead wire dual modes... Perhaps Amtrak is looking to go all dual-mode for the northeast and eliminate some engine changes at WAS/PHL/NHV. |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Dec 24 15:32:12 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 10:03:39 2018.  top of the space shuttle transport planes... |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 24 16:26:42 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 15:22:02 2018. Commuter engines don't get the mileage or abuse that Amtrak's do. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 24 16:28:44 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by lirr42 on Mon Dec 24 15:29:36 2018. There are options for another 75 on top of those. Anderson also spoke of some DMU concept last spring, which could be anything, even something like Brightline trainsets, when it also comes time for Amfleet replacement on non-NEC trains. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Dec 24 17:00:11 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 10:03:39 2018. So you're against emergency signage? |
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Posted by lirr42 on Mon Dec 24 17:45:09 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 24 16:28:44 2018. The Brightline cars seem pretty natural successors to the Amfleets...Via is already going with them. I rode them earlier this month and was impressed with them (some photos of the interior... https://www.flickr.com/photos/thelirrtoday/albums/72157674624257607).These aren't DMU's, though. DMU's are good for short-haul corridors where better acceleration can make a difference, but most of the Midwest and California corridors are already going forward with the Charger locomotives and the new Siemens cars. I don't think it would make too much sense to operate DMU's on the Northeast Corridor, since you would require an electric power to get to NY, and the equipment for a dual mode DMU would probably take up too much seating space inside the car to still fit inside the tunnels. DMU's would be a good fit for the Downeaster, the New Haven-Springfield Shuttle, and probably the Empire Corridor, but I'm not sure of their utility on the Virginia routes. AC/overhead wire dual modes seem like they would be a decently wise move for the Pennsylvanian and the VA/NC/VT off-corridor services, especially if Amtrak is eyeing an increase in traditional Northeast Regional/Keystone on-corridor electric service and could otherwise repurpose the electric locomotives. OK/NC/WI(?)/Downeaster can carry on with the Genesis or whatever locomotives they are using now until some part of the LD network gets cleaved off, freeing up some sprinter locomotives. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 18:08:01 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 24 16:28:44 2018. What happened to the CAF Amfleet replacements? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 18:11:17 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 24 16:26:42 2018. Think not? They're doing several short trips daily with lots more stops and starts than LD trains, which puts more wear and tear on the tracks in addition. They are way busier than what Amtrak does. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 24 18:26:57 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Dec 24 11:22:09 2018. Increases visibility in poor weather conditions or darkness. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 19:06:22 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by R30A on Mon Dec 24 17:00:11 2018. Nonsequitur. The public is not allowed in the cab. What kind of hogger can't find the cab door?? |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Mon Dec 24 19:28:51 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 19:06:22 2018. And if he can’t, how did he get in?Alan Follett South San Francisco, CA |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 20:04:34 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Alan Follett on Mon Dec 24 19:28:51 2018. Yep. Someone who needs an "Enter Here" sign on the cab door probably has no business being in the cab in the first place. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 20:11:01 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by lirr42 on Mon Dec 24 15:29:36 2018. Amtrak go all dual-mode? Think again. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 24 21:32:21 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by lirr42 on Mon Dec 24 17:45:09 2018. Absolutely disagree about dual mode locomotives. If Amtrak personnel can't change engines as fast as was done in PRR days, they need retraining. There is no way buying and carting around a full HP diesel powerplant unneeded for 200-400 mile segments is more efficient than swapping engines in DC or Harrisburg.As a part of the Long Bridge upgrade, wires should be restored at least into the former Pot Yard area as the camel's nose under the tent of electrifying RF&P to Richmond. Sent!nel98609 |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Dec 24 21:57:13 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 24 21:32:21 2018. You are welcome to make a case that engine changes can be made faster than they are, but they will never be done the way they used to be. Today's safety procedures, which are much stricter make that impossible. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 24 22:12:23 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 18:08:01 2018. what Amfleet replacement ?? |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Dec 24 23:43:45 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 10:03:39 2018. Engineer's station doesn't have seat belts? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 25 01:26:11 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 24 22:12:23 2018. The ones they put out RFP for back in July. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 25 06:43:33 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 24 18:11:17 2018. Metra has poor weekend service. They also get to sleep a lot. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 25 06:46:58 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 25 01:26:11 2018. There was no such thing as a CAF coach plan for Amlfeet replacement, and no one is ever going to deal with those assholes again. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Dec 25 09:04:55 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 25 06:46:58 2018. Single level fleet renewal RFI was issued. Responses to that will help formulate the actual RFP. Nothing is decided yet in termes of final equipment mix or vendors. The CAF acquisition was the Viewliner 2 deal, replacing baggage cars, diners, adding 25 sleepers and 10 bag dorms. The bags and all but one diner as well as a single bag dorm are delivered. In the Christmas spirit I'll be kind and just say that by most accounts CAF has performed poorly on this cntract. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 25 12:08:19 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 25 06:46:58 2018. When the CAF order was announced, the order for "single level cars" did not give the impression of replacing the Horizon fleet, that is for sure. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 25 12:12:22 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 25 06:43:33 2018. Most of the NYC area commuter rail service is electric anyhow. The U34CH would not be good for comparison either since NJT is fond of premature retirement of equipment themselves. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Dec 25 12:19:13 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 25 12:08:19 2018. Horizon would not have been in play, but it certainly all but finished off "Heritage" barring an occasional "axle count" appearance. |
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