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[PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018

This post dedicated to William (Mr. R-10) Padron

Over view at Stillwell Terminal, from left to right. R-42's on the (B), R-10's on the (F), also R-46's on the (F),
R-27/30's on the (D) and R-32's on the (N). That gas tank is long gone. August 1980



The sublime and the ridiculous. That's sublime on the right, ridiculous on the left. The roadbed needed some foliage premeditation. (August 1980)


Leaving Stillwell Terminal, R-10's are headed to Manhattan & Jamaica-179th St. I heard that the Queens Blvd. folks were howling
that their cool, comfy and quiet R-46's were replaced by denizens from the 8th Ave. subway. Railfans didn't mind. (August 1980)



Approaching the Van Sicklen (now Neptune Ave) station, R-10's are ready for the Culver treatment.
In my opinion, riding the R-10's on the Culver "el" was a once in a lifetime experience. (November 1980)



With apologies to Johnny Tillotson, this is poetry in motion. Or at least a limerick !
Approaching the West 8th St. station. (October 1980)



#3226 & #3237 lead the way entering the lower level of West 8th St station.
If you look closely, you'll see another train of R-10's leaving. (October 1980)



R-10's are seen here at Smith-9th St with the Twin Towers part of the skyline.
R-10's were assigned to the (GG), but as a full length (F) train, they were so sweet ! (September 1980)



Coming soon.......R-10's on the (D) !

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Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***

Posted by Dan on Mon Mar 12 19:42:17 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

I remember that summer. The lovely R46s on the 'F' were being repaired and we got stuck with the un-air-conditioned dregs of the system. Awful.

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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 20:05:36 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

Looks like someone forgot to change that AA sign to a B for the rush hour.

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Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***

Posted by WayneJay on Mon Mar 12 20:29:20 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

I was just in my teen years, but I remember that summer well. A lot changed seemingly overnight like R-10s to Jamaica yard, R-44 back on the D, R-46 on the CC (biggest shocker). I remember that morning I was at Tremont Ave heading to my summer job in midtown. I was a the south end or the S/B platform when a CC arrived. I knew something was strange in that train was a lot less noisy than the typical CC. I heard a partial release of the brakes as it slowed to a stop, and was thing it was a D train arriving on the local tracks. To my shock... it was a 6-car R-46 consist. For CC service they operated in A-B-A-B-B-A configuration. Then, a D train with R-44 consist arrived on the express train. This too was a suprise as the previous workday some R-46 cars were still on the D line. As I rode to midtown on the morning of shockers... While we were leaving the 7th Ave station, a packed s/b E train with R-10 cars came barreling into the station. The memories!!!

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Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Mar 12 20:57:45 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by WayneJay on Mon Mar 12 20:29:20 2018.

That was during the time the R46's had the cracked trucks and transit aimed to restrict them to rush hours only.

The fleet got trucks inspected Tuesday after the PM rush till Wednesdays AM rush. Those not inspected got inspected after the PM rush Wednesday till the AM rush Thursday. Whatever didn't get inspected were not allowed to go in service for the AM rush Thursday. Progress depended on the number of trucks found with cracks as those cars had to get "drilled" out of the train with another car substituted. The fleet also got trucks inspected Friday nights straight thru until completed. The trains one by one went into the barn with car inspectors inspecting the trucks with their lanterns.

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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 12 21:06:23 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

Guess I didn't ride the subways all that much that summer, because I don't remember this at all.

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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Mar 12 21:09:07 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Mar 12 21:10:48 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Mar 12 20:57:45 2018.

Yeah, I hadn't made the connection that day. I realized it soon afterward with the CC being rush hours only, and the remaining R-46 at Jamaica would come into service during rush hour.

Thanks for the explanation. One thing that I rememebered was how quickly all of this started happening.

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Posted by Chicago44 on Mon Mar 12 21:14:26 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

There were R44's on the N train as well during that time.

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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Mar 12 21:16:22 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Chicago44 on Mon Mar 12 21:14:26 2018.

Yeah, I think some of the R-44s had gone back to Jamaica shops as I seem to recall them on the E and F as well.

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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Mar 12 21:16:22 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Chicago44 on Mon Mar 12 21:14:26 2018.

Yeah, I think some of the R-44s had gone back to Jamaica shops as I seem to recall them on the E and F as well.

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Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***

Posted by Dave on Mon Mar 12 21:53:56 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

WOW! Great shots, Bill!

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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Mar 12 22:20:26 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by WayneJay on Mon Mar 12 21:10:48 2018.

It was an absolute nightmarish time for NYCT.



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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 22:40:26 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Mar 12 20:57:45 2018.

Didn't they also strip some trucks from R44's to use them on the R46, since the R44 was having it's own (non-truck) issues?

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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Mar 12 22:41:25 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 22:40:26 2018.

Yes.

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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 22:43:33 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Dan on Mon Mar 12 19:42:17 2018.

Could have been worse. They could have used the R16's they pulled out of mothballs on these lines. Instead, we lowly J riders got them.

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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Mar 12 23:03:52 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 22:43:33 2018.

When they were first resurrected, there were about 5 trains on the LL rush hours only.

At the bitter end we had them on the M. What a disaster that was!

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Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 12 23:16:20 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

AWESOME! My favorite subway car!

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Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***

Posted by WayneJay on Mon Mar 12 23:29:24 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 12 23:16:20 2018.

Not my favorite car, but I loved riding them on the 8th Ave Express. Loud and fast as heck.

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Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 12 23:37:44 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by WayneJay on Mon Mar 12 23:29:24 2018.

Them and R40 Slants are my favorites I remember in the mid-70s having to go with my school on field trips to the Museum of Natural History and I would sneak away from the group and go downstairs and watch the R10s go flying by on the express tracks by the subway platform by the museum Subway entrance in the basement. You can hear them coming from fall off until that pitch gets higher and higher and higher and then they would come flying by which was probably about 50 miles an hour! And then after awhile I would go back to my classmates and no one was ever the wiser!

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Posted by Lord Vader on Mon Mar 12 23:40:46 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

Bill you really have me feeling all nostalgic here. Aside from seeing R10ís in unusual territory, the clear shots of the old blue gas tank as well as that old bascule bridge across Coney Island Creek take me back to my childhood years. Keep em coming Brother.

Vader

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Posted by WayneJay on Tue Mar 13 00:02:16 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 12 23:37:44 2018.

Agreed! The R40 slants were an awesome ride as well. These were my favorites, and I was thrilled when they came over to the A line from Jamaica. I remember that n/b express trains coming through that station were indeed at full speed. In fact.... they were usually blazing along even as they passed through 72nd Street station.

We also went to the Museum of Natural History on a class trip. Then... we came back later in the school year to the Planetarium.

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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Mar 13 02:19:16 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

OMG Bill. The memories. Thank you for posting. Transit wise that was my favorite time period. Everything was everywhere.

R10s on the A, CC, E, F, GG;

R27/30s on the AA, B, D, J, LL, M, QB, RR, SS;

R32s on the E, F, GG, N, QB, RR (during the last week of the R44/R46 swap, there was a crap load of R32s on the A);

R44s on the E, F, (later placed back on the D);

R46s on the A, CC, D, E, F.

As far as the folks on Queens Blvd howling about the R10s, they raised so much hell that they called the media-and the media showed up at 179th St, interviewed disgruntled passengers about having to ride in those grunged up hot boxes, then aired it on Eyewitness News. I couldn't believe what I was watching.

Well I am looking forward to your pictures of R10s on the D.

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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Mar 13 02:32:44 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by WayneJay on Mon Mar 12 21:10:48 2018.

Actually the CC was not a rush hour only line-just 97% was. The other 3% (Broad Channel-Rockaway Park) operated 19/7 a week. However, even on that portion of the route, it never operated the R46s other than during the rush hours only.

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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Mar 13 02:36:30 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 22:40:26 2018.

IIRC that was in 1982 when the TA mothballed the entire R44 fleet and replaced them with R38s on the A.

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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Mar 13 02:43:35 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Chicago44 on Mon Mar 12 21:14:26 2018.

AFAIK not at all. I think it was during that time that the R46s were banned from the N train because of some Manhattan Bridge issue. I'm sure someone on this board will clarify the exact reason.

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Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 13 03:32:22 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

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Posted by Snarf368 on Tue Mar 13 04:32:51 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

Awesome!

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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 13 06:07:27 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 12 23:37:44 2018.

Standing on one of the lower-level CPW platforms, while a train of R-10s boomed through on the upper-level express track, was an unforgettable experience. To say that it was a noise fit to rouse the dead, would be an understatement!

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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 13 06:14:21 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Mar 13 02:19:16 2018.

1980 stands out in my memory as one of the most interesting railfanning years of my entire life. Besides all the astonishing equipment assignments you mentioned on NYCT, what a high-school kid like me could see and do back then, was pretty amazing.

Dutch doors on Conrail (now MNRR) trains going up the Hudson. K-cars on PATH. RDCs from Newark Penn to Philly. PCCs in TNJ colors on NCS. Oh, and the Nostalgia Specials were still runing!

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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 13 06:27:54 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 20:05:36 2018.

Looks like someone forgot to change that AA sign to a B for the rush hour.

Heh, happened often.

Bill Newkirk

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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 13 06:32:40 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Dave on Mon Mar 12 21:53:56 2018.

WOW! Great shots, Bill!

Thanks, these were the days to be a railfan with a camera to record some wild stuff.

Bill Newkirk


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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 13 06:34:32 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Lord Vader on Mon Mar 12 23:40:46 2018.

Will do Vader.

Bill Newkirk

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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 13 06:38:17 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Mar 13 02:19:16 2018.

As far as the folks on Queens Blvd howling about the R10s, they raised so much hell that they called the media-and the media showed up at 179th St, interviewed disgruntled passengers about having to ride in those grunged up hot boxes, then aired it on Eyewitness News. I couldn't believe what I was watching.

Yep, those folks were happy with ther air conditioned R-46's only to be surprised of there disappearance, being replaced by R-10's with little fans to keep them cool !

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 - Forgot This One ***

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 13 06:43:16 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

Northbound on the Culver about to enter the Kings Highway station. (September 1980)

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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 13 06:45:21 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Mar 12 21:09:07 2018.

Thanks, love those R-10's ?

Bill Newkirk

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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 13 07:14:29 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

Thank you for the fantastic pictures. I remember seeing the blue gas tank from the Belt Parkway. I believe it was gone well before 1990.

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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 13 07:33:35 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Mar 12 23:03:52 2018.

At the bitter end we had them on the M. What a disaster that was!

Didn't they have problems making it up the Williamsburg Bridge?


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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 13 08:07:20 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

Thank you very much for sharing those great R-10's on the "F" photos, and dedicated the post to me personally. As I recall back then, I rode the R-10's in regular service on the "F" six times, and on the "E" twenty times!

-William A. Padron
["R-10"]


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Posted by murray1575 on Tue Mar 13 09:12:13 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 12 19:18:58 2018.

The R-10's were true survivors of all the neglect and abuse they took and kept on running. About 100 of them lasted until 1989! They were the last cars which used outside caps and triggers instead of push buttons inside a cab to open and close the doors.

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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Mar 13 09:21:34 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 13 06:38:17 2018.

Granted the E and F also was running grunged up hot R32s but it was something about those R10s.

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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 13 09:25:00 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Mar 13 02:19:16 2018.

There was a brief stint of R10's on the J and L, if you have the R10 farewell trip document to read.

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Posted by WayneJay on Tue Mar 13 09:32:25 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 13 06:27:54 2018.

[i] Heh, happened often. [/i]

Totally did. I guess it was quite a production when they'd take the 4-car AA trains and create 8-car consists for rush hour B service, and reverse that operation after rush hour.

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Posted by WayneJay on Tue Mar 13 09:45:48 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 13 06:32:40 2018.

Yeah, it was. I was just happy to be old enough to go out riding and exploring.

Another one I enjoyed was the long-term project that would close down stations Lenox Ave during weekends and late nights. I used to love riding and watching the shuttle bus action. Then, Lexington Ave had plenty of off-hour express service since #2 trains had to use that line.

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Posted by WayneJay on Tue Mar 13 09:48:20 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 13 06:07:27 2018.

Yeah, I'm not sure of it was louder being on one of those platforms or riding the train itself. Especially in warmer months when windows were open and storm doors open.

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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 13 10:28:43 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 13 07:14:29 2018.

Thank you for the fantastic pictures. I remember seeing the blue gas tank from the Belt Parkway. I believe it was gone well before 1990.

Tanks a lot !

Bill Newkirk

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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 13 10:29:59 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 13 08:07:20 2018.

Thank you Mr. R-10.

Coming soon, R-10's on the (D) Brighton.

Bill Newkirk

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Posted by Dan on Tue Mar 13 11:50:30 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 22:43:33 2018.

In 1984-86 my job required me to work two days per week in our downtown office. In the PM I'd take the 'M' or 'R' at Broad Street to 9th Street for the 'F' train. The R27s on the Nassau 'R' were the absolute bottom of the barrel. Covered in and out with graffiti they lumbered along, slowly. One night an R27 pulled into 9th Street and died right there. Passengers were ordered off but the train couldn't move. IIRC by early 1987 the R27s were all retired. One of the worst pieces of passenger equipment that the TA ever ordered.

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Posted by Dan on Tue Mar 13 12:00:07 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 13 06:38:17 2018.

The R44s and R46s were first assigned to the E and F for operational and political reasons. The E and F had the oldest R1-9 equipment into the early 1970s. The Coney Island and Jamaica yards were set up to maintain the R44/46 fleets. The neighborhoods served by the E and F were solid middle-class neighborhoods represented by some powerful Albany politicians like the late Stanley Steingut and filled with people who vote.

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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Mar 13 12:16:02 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ***R-10's On The (F) 1980 ***, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 13 06:38:17 2018.

That's if those little fans even worked. And the dark cars were a big problem on the R10's.

Not so much for me because I met my wife to be on a dark R10 car on the GG. Still together. 35 years next month.

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