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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Dec 16 09:33:25 2017 Tuscarora Almanac – December 16, 1922 – The Book of Last Runs Brooklyn, New York Union Ferry Company The Union Ferry Company, once the dominant ferry operator on the East River lowers the flag for the last time. The three remaining routes; Fulton Street, Whitehall Street-Atlantic Avenue and Whitehall Street-Hamilton Avenue are taken over by New York City. The city acquires nine boats as well. Source: “Over & Back” (Fordham University Press /1990) by Mr. Brian J. Cudahy Tuscarora Almanac - December 16, 1971 - The Book of First Runs Jamaica, Queens, New York New York City Transit Authority – IND Division The first train of R-44's begins trial service today on the "E" Queens - 8 Avenue Express. The consist was (s) 112, 117, 113, 114, 108, 109, 111, 110. Source: New York Division Bulletin / February 1972 Tuscarora Almanac - December 16, 2001 - The Book of First Runs Long Island City, Queens, New York New York City Transit Authority – IND Division The "F" Queens - 6th Avenue - Culver Express begins regular service through the 63rd Street Connector. The first train consisted of eight R-46's; (s) 6246-6244, 6216-6218, and 6112-6113-6111-6110. Source: New York Division Bulletin / January 2002 Tuscarora Almanac – December 16, 2015 – The Book of First Runs Port Authority Trans-Hudson Corporation Trolley Museum of New York PATH PA-1C car 143 arrives at the Trolley Museum of New York in Kingston. This car was damaged at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001 and has been stored at JFK Airport since then. Source: ERA Bulletin /February 2016 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 16 11:04:48 2017, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Dec 16 09:33:25 2017. And 50 years ago today, I rode on an R-32 D train for the first time. We went Christmas shopping at Macy's, then headed for the 6th Ave. line when that train glided in on the uptown local track (D trains were still running local along 6th Ave. on weekends then). We took it to 59th St., at which point the conductor announced, "The next stop on this train will be 125th St." That was something new, I'm sure. Then it was back to 42nd St. and the PABT on a s/b Abbott. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 16 11:28:46 2017, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Dec 16 09:33:25 2017. I believe that train of early R-44s came complete with rugs, a first for the NYC subways! |
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Posted by andy on Sat Dec 16 11:43:30 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 16 11:04:48 2017. The D train has always run express between 59th and 125th, beginning in 1940 when that route was first established. That pattern has nothing to do with the Chrystie Street service, which ushered in the R32 consists on the D.The weekend service pattern in late 1967 until July 1968 was D and F running local between W4th and 47-50th, and B trains to/from Coney Island turning at West 4th St. middle tracks. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Dec 16 12:38:59 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by andy on Sat Dec 16 11:43:30 2017. And before 1940, do I have this right for CPW. . .?A and C express AA local I find it interesting that they seemed to reserve B and D for routes that weren't to run for 7 years, such that for that amount of time there existed A, C, and E but no B, D, if I have the history right. |
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Posted by northshore on Sat Dec 16 13:59:25 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Dec 16 12:38:59 2017. Before 1940, A was 8 Av Exp, AA was 8 Al Lcl, BB was 6 Av Lcl (starting 1938)After 1940, added to above, D was Concouse-6 Av Exp and CC was Concourse-8 Av Lcl |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Dec 16 14:10:29 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 16 11:28:46 2017. Jay Zee: The trains with the rugs began service the same day. It had cars 334-335-333-332, 330-331-329-328. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Asgard on Sat Dec 16 14:56:53 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by northshore on Sat Dec 16 13:59:25 2017. Wouldn't the BB have started in 1940? |
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Posted by BMRR on Sat Dec 16 15:00:13 2017, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Dec 16 09:33:25 2017. I remember LIRR M1s with carpet om the floor also. But not inthe smoking cars. |
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Posted by andy on Sat Dec 16 15:55:15 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Asgard on Sat Dec 16 14:56:53 2017. Yes. BB was started 12/16/1940, when the 6th Ave. IND opened. Rush hours only service, all local stops, between Bedford Park and 34th St. In Nov. 1967 the south portion was extended to Coney Island via the Manhattan Bridge and BMT West End line, and it was rechristened the B train. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Dec 16 16:17:51 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by andy on Sat Dec 16 15:55:15 2017. You all have it wrong. Prior to 1940 the A and C (which was rush hours only)ran express in Manhattan only between 145 St and Chambers St. Local service on CPW was provided by the 24/7 CC. As late as the 1970s there were even signs on CPW stations advising passengers for Wash Hts to change at 125 St for A trains. Once the Concourse opened, the AA service ceased operation until 1940 when it resumed as a non rush hour only operation with the BB providing rush hour service between 168 St and 34/6. The CC then became a rush hour only service. Both the C and D continued to operate along the Concourse but the C remained a rush hour only service while the D now became the full time Concourse service operating as it does to this day express on the Concourse during rush hours and local on the Concourse at all other times. |
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Posted by zac on Sat Dec 16 17:04:17 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Dec 16 14:10:29 2017. Those rugs didn't last long, as you can imagine. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat Dec 16 20:24:28 2017, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Dec 16 09:33:25 2017. The public immediately fell in love with those cars. On the A train they were referred to as the "new" trains as recently as 2005/2006. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 16 21:33:39 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by randyo on Sat Dec 16 16:17:51 2017. So when was that version of the C train discontinued for good? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 16 21:41:29 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by andy on Sat Dec 16 11:43:30 2017. Actually, the B from Coney Island to W 4th didn't run on Sundays. Up to and including 6/30/68, Sunday service on the West End line was provided by TT local/shuttle trains from Coney Island to 36th St. Brooklyn only. But the D ran local on 6th Ave. anyway, as it did all times except rush hours M-F. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 16 22:18:44 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 16 21:33:39 2017. So when was that version of the C train discontinued for good?10/24/1949 The C terminated at Hoyt-Schermerhorn. There was no Fulton express service. After 10/24/1949 during rush hours, the A ran express from Hoyt-Schermerhorn to Bway-ENY and the E was re-routed from Bway-Lafayette to Bway-ENY as a local. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 16 22:27:39 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by zac on Sat Dec 16 17:04:17 2017. They got "stringy" mighty fast.And filthy! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 17 00:07:25 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by andy on Sat Dec 16 15:55:15 2017. The BB terminated at 168th St uptown. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 17 00:10:51 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by andy on Sat Dec 16 11:43:30 2017. I know the D was an express up CPW. I found out firsthand on May 7, 1967. We were on the n/b platform at 81st St. when a rumble grew to a roar, then a prewar D ripped past on the express track, gears wailing away at F# above middle C. It wasn't long after that when a blur of teal and white thundered past. It was an R-10 Abbott, decked out in the racing stripe scheme. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 17 00:16:54 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 16 11:04:48 2017. The "something new" I was referring to was the announcements on a D train, NOT that it was now running express up CPW. My apologies for any confusion. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 17 02:19:45 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat Dec 16 20:24:28 2017. I really had a thing for the R44s when they first started running.Loved the Darth Vader sound they gave off before they left the station. Loved the way they looked. They only ran in service on the 4 main IND routes back then, but you occasionally spotted one on the B GG even the EE once. The A became the home of those cars for years |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 17 10:19:10 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 16 21:41:29 2017. It's nice that they finally put the weekday-only B on the Brighton from 2004 on - it solved that whole question of what to do with the West End service in Manhattan during off hours. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 17 10:27:07 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 16 22:27:39 2017. And something else to burn when the R44's spontaneously combusted. |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Dec 17 11:17:24 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 17 02:19:45 2017. The R44/46/68 family of 75 foot cars are my favorites. Mostly for the comfortable transverse seating and bright colorful interiors. During their last rehab the R44SI fleet had it's orange-red-yellow seats repainted a crummy blue-gray color. I understand why it was cheaper to repaint them like that but I miss the 'disco' colored seats.The 63-car R44SI fleet is due to be replaced in 2020(?) with the 75-car R211S, the SI Railway version of the R211. AFAIK there is no firm info if the R211S will differ from the R211 in any substantial way. I'd love for the R211S to have transverse seating but it's unlikely. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 17 16:29:07 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 16 21:41:29 2017. The TT also ran during the late hours every night until 6/30/68. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 17 16:37:26 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 16 22:18:44 2017. That was only the rush hour E. The rest of the time the E continued to operate to Bway/Laf although I have heard that for a while, the Es did operate all the way to 2 Ave until construction started on the Chrystie connection. By the way, until 1954, the D ran to Hudson Terminal 24/7 and the F ran to Church Av. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 17 20:09:50 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by randyo on Sun Dec 17 16:37:26 2017. I still remember seeing some R-1/9 side route signs set to D-6th Ave. Express and others set to D-6th Ave.-Houston Express in 1967. By then, of course, all 6th Ave. trains ran via Houston St. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Dec 17 22:00:56 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 17 20:09:50 2017. when I acquired such signs from the Transit Museum I had to go back to get one specifying Houston--gave the other one to a dear friend who commuted w/me to our jobs in midtown from the 2nd Ave station. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 18 00:16:26 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 17 20:09:50 2017. The original D ran toHudson Terminal so it didn’t go anywhere near Houston St till after it got routed down the Culver Line. The F, on the other hand always ran via Houston St until at some point, I’m not sure when, late PM and weekend Fs terminated at 34/6. There was also a reading for 8th Ave/Houston since the first service that operated via Houston was the E prior to the opening of 6 Ave. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Dec 18 07:18:39 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 16 22:27:39 2017. I would imagine so!!! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Dec 18 07:23:48 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 17 02:19:45 2017. I think they looked great until they took the blue stripe away. From that point until maybe 10 years ago, they looked just plain. During their last 2 years, they really looked like crap. You could just see that they were shot/used up/dying. The ones surviving on Staten Island still look sort of OK- easier service, even if it's all outdoors, I guess has prolonged their lives.Even the R46s are looking a bit tired, to me. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon Dec 18 08:27:06 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Dec 18 07:23:48 2017. IMO the R46s just need brighter lighting as far as appearance is concerned. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 18 09:42:33 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Dec 18 07:23:48 2017. That's because they get the shit beaten out of them on a consistent basis. And not much upkeep to erase the neglect. They've gone a lot longer post GOH than pre. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Dec 18 13:52:05 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Dec 18 07:23:48 2017. There was a different feel of the cars that one could tell, too.To me, it had something to do with the floor. The 46s felt more "solid"...if that's how you could describe it,compaired to the flooring of the 44s...like there was something missing that should be there. The 46s even looked better structurally...neater lines... Better welds. I guess since the 44s were the first of its type built by St Louis Car,they continued a method that worked for them, LAHT Steel frame with Stainless Steel shell...might have some thing to do with the issues developed further along. Sad to see all mainline cars go, however. Ain't nothing like a little elbow grease to keep something in good shape. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 18 15:39:30 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Edwards! on Mon Dec 18 13:52:05 2017. by that time continuing LAHT framing w/ SS skin was a known disster. MTA should have specified SS welded bodies. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 18 18:45:26 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 18 00:16:26 2017. I believe 1689 has an E-8th Ave.-Houston Express side route sign. My IND side route curtain does not, although it has both variations of the D and F signs. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 19 17:16:20 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for December 16, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 18 18:45:26 2017. Sometimes route signs can be a little too descriptive. |
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