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New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 27 17:47:18 2016 link |
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Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by fastlane on Tue Sep 27 21:54:05 2016, in response to New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 27 17:47:18 2016. Takes the pressure off of Fordham Plaza. |
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Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 28 13:13:23 2016, in response to New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 27 17:47:18 2016. It's nice to see them boosting service to at least hourly levels, but I really think more needs to be done with the commuter railroads within the city limits. More frequent service, and match the subway fare for travel within the same zone, and have GCT/NYP be their own zone with full time city ticket for travel to/from GCT/NYP. All with free transfers to city transit. |
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Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Sep 28 13:59:03 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 28 13:13:23 2016. I agree. The 2 systems should have seamless connectivity from the passenger standpoint. Other cities manage to do it. |
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Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Sep 28 19:18:47 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by italianstallion on Wed Sep 28 13:59:03 2016. The only city I know of that has fully done it is Denver. There's no difference between bus/LRT/commuter rail as far as fares go, probably because the Commuter rail is a new addition to the pre-existing system. The same passes work on all.Philadelphia does it w/r/t passes but on weekends only. Boston on paper seems like it does it (the city subway/bus passes are good for "Zone 1B" on commuter rail) but that zone restriction doesn't even cover all the CR stations within the T's reach. Toronto's "The Big Move" includes standardizing on one fare structure. If we wait around long enough we can see how they pull it off. However they have already gotten a jump start at it: all the transit systems are moving to the Presto Card for fare payment. The way they handle it on commuter rail without having to suddenly gate off all the stations is pretty smart: tap it on at your source station platform and off at your destination platform. You can also set a default station pair by talking to a ticket agent. When your card has a default you do not need to tap off for trips between those two stations. Conductors will spot check with handheld devices (but unlike PoP fare inspectors, they just sell you a ticket at the on board rate if you "forgot" to tap in, at least for now). Also, a surprising counterexample would be that Tokyo doesn't, at all. Despite the fact that the same fare payment cards work on over 12 different systems, you can't even transfer between the two different halves of the subway system. Also, often times a train will run on multiple railroads, or there are barrier free transfers between systems - these are misleading, because the turnstile just adds the two fares together when you exit. There's even a 3 fare example: The Tokyo Metro (F)ukutoshin line trains become Tokyu Toyoko commuter line trains which become the Yokohama Subway "Minato Mirai" line. Upon tapping out, the fares for Tokyo Metro, Tokyu Railway and Yokohama Subway are added together with no discount, despite the fact that you never even leave your seat to "transfer" between two subways and a railroad! |
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Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 28 19:58:42 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 28 13:13:23 2016. Before LIRR zone fares, Penn Station was in a zone all by itself. Everything else west of Jamaica was another. They even had a pair of Huntersspoint trains stopping at Forest Hills or Kew Gardens. In 1971, I had the Gibson ticket agent sell me a ticket from Richmond Hill to there. Rather than stamp it out, he said we charge "Brooklyn fares" there, and that is the ticket he gave me.When they went to zone fares, KG, FH, WS, and NYPS became Zone 1A, everything else was Zone 1B. At some point in the 1980's, 1A and 1B were merged. |
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Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Sep 28 22:55:26 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Sep 28 19:18:47 2016. Re:TokyoIs it me, but with the exception of the first two lines for Tokyo Metro, the network is basically composed of a bunch of thru-routing two track lines for the private mainline networks and some short turns which add the additional high frequency service? I think the closest we come to this is London Underground and even their case is somewhat unique and special case with mainline running. I guess we could always send the Port Washington and Hempstead branches into the IND to match our Japanese friends... |
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Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 28 23:01:47 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 28 13:13:23 2016. All with free transfers to city transitKeep dreaming. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Sep 28 23:05:22 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 28 23:01:47 2016. Or visiting Europe? :-p |
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Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 28 23:10:53 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Sep 28 23:05:22 2016. Things are falling apart over there, so there have already been fewer visitors. Like over here, the government-run railroads have forgotten how to run trains in the snow, too. |
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Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Sep 29 00:37:21 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Sep 28 22:55:26 2016. That's what it ended up being, but they are still operated independently. There is a crew change at the end of each territory. I also find it neat that each railroad will provide enough equipment for its part of the line, but all of that equipment is pooled for the shared route. So you end up with Tokyo metro cars in Yokohama, and vice versa. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Sep 29 00:42:09 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Sep 29 00:37:21 2016. There is a crew change at the end of each territorySo IOW, Tokyo Metro T/O operates train to the end of the Metro owned section, then the private operator's T/O takes over the rest of the run to their terminal? SNCF and RATP had this arrangement on RER B until they realized that it was eating up valuable dwell time... |
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Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Sep 29 01:34:33 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Sep 29 00:42:09 2016. Yup. The same train can have up to 3 different crews.I watched a documentary a while ago and apparently the crew switching idea was directly taken from RER. The Tokyo Metro guys went to France to learn exactly how all of that worked. As for dwell time, the Japanese use it for schedule adjustment - the Metro part operates at higher frequencies that don't divide nicely into the railroad timetable, so some dwell has to happen anyway. |
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Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 29 16:55:10 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 28 13:13:23 2016. The thing is, since the commuter rails are primarily for travel to and from the suburbs, the trains will be pretty full by the time they reach stations within the city, especially during |
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Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 29 17:03:05 2016, in response to New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 27 17:47:18 2016. And to think, those two stations came within about 10 days of being closed permanently back in, what, the 1980s? The closures had been announced about six weeks, maybe two months, ahead of time. Almost no one paid attention until some local pols started complaining with two weeks or less to go. A few days later, the MTA reversed the closure decision. |
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Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 29 17:10:16 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 29 16:55:10 2016. the trains will be pretty full by the time they reach stations within the cityThe Harlem Line has rush hour trains that start in Mt. Vernon. They are not full by the time they reach Wakefield. |
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Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 29 17:34:41 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Sep 28 19:18:47 2016. i hate one-for-all entry points to connecting lines. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 29 17:43:38 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 28 19:58:42 2016. it was a time travel experience to ride from long island city to richmond hill. imagined the hordes of ferry passengers riding, back when richmond hill was a suburban village. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 18:17:59 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 29 17:43:38 2016. In the 1960's and 1970's, it was mostly factory workers. 2 lowly Oyster Bay trains got to do the honors. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Sep 29 21:23:41 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 29 16:55:10 2016. Yeah but the suburbanites would have already gotten their seats on the inbound trips. As for the outbound ones, I suspect the people going shorter distances wouldn't be the type to show up 10 minutes early for the train - if they have that kind of extra time they would just save the money and take the subway+bus there. |
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Posted by Asgard on Thu Sep 29 22:04:45 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 29 17:10:16 2016. Only one, the 8:01 AM. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 30 01:35:43 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by Asgard on Thu Sep 29 22:04:45 2016. OK, I stand corrected. But are the ultra-local trains full by the time they reach Wakefield? I would think not. People would want to take trains that run express through the Bronx. |
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Posted by Asgard on Fri Sep 30 17:55:32 2016, in response to Re: New Metro-North Schedules Double Off-Peak Service to Melrose & Tremont, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 30 01:35:43 2016. The only one I know well enough to comment on is the 8:39 out of Woodlawn, and only the rear two cars of that. (They stop the rear four at Woodlawn; front four at Williams Bridge; I *think* it's the rear four at Wakefield).There are middle seats available, but not much else. I stand, and there are generally about eight to ten people standing in the vestibules (but the aisles aren't crowded) by Fordham. |
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