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Posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:23:03 2015 From page 387 of the preliminary budget: http://web.mta.info/mta/budget/july2015/MTA_2016_Prelim_Budget_Financial_Plan2016-2019_Vol2.pdf R32 Fleet SMS (Scheduled Maintenance). The R32 fleet was scheduled to be retired in 2017-2018. This retirement will need to be delayed until 2022 due to delays in the delivery of R179 replacement cars and increased revenue service fleet requirements. The cost of this delay is estimated to be $1.1 million in 2016, $15.9 million in 2017, $17.7 million in 2018 and $15.5 million in 2019. Position requirements are projected at 132 for 2017 and 110 for both 2018 and 2019. I'm assuming that this means that not all of the R32s will be replaced by the R179s. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:27:41 2015, in response to R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:23:03 2015. On the document, the page is V-221 |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 10 16:35:22 2015, in response to R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:23:03 2015. I recently heard from the grapevine, that when the connection between the Bway Bkln el and Myrtle is re built, some R-32s will be transferred to the M due to the R-32s even with A/C are slightly lighter in weight than the NTTs and the weight difference will be needed during the reconstruction. I have no confirmation on this, but I wonder how NYCT is going to deal with the signage situation if it does happen. |
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Posted by CJ on Mon Aug 10 16:36:06 2015, in response to R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:23:03 2015. Wow, so now the R32s will be nearing 60 years old. Reminds me of the old S-Bahn cars in Berlin. Difference is those cars lasted 63-70 years in service. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Aug 10 16:41:42 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 10 16:35:22 2015. Just slap a self-stick orange "M" bullet over the "V" bullet and you're done.wayne |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:46:37 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 10 16:35:22 2015. I have heard this as well. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:47:05 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Aug 10 16:41:42 2015. And set south terminal to Myrtle Avenue. close enough |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Aug 10 17:04:37 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by CJ on Mon Aug 10 16:36:06 2015. The R-32s have been considered some of the best-built cars of all time, and have proven it by outliving a few classes of cars that came after they came online in 1964. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 10 17:07:22 2015, in response to R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:23:03 2015. That would mean that some of the oldest R-32's would be nearly 60 years old when they are finally retired. Wow. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 10 17:37:11 2015, in response to R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:23:03 2015. Good news. They finally dropped the other shoe.Make the disposal of the M-3's at 30 years of age look kind of stupid. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 10 17:38:11 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 10 16:35:22 2015. What are they doing to the Myrtle cut ? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 10 18:15:08 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:47:05 2015. Well, back when the Multis ran there, the end signs often read Myrtle Ave. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 10 18:16:39 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 10 17:38:11 2015. Since it is concrete encased, it seems that the concrete is beginning to crumble and needs to be replaced sort of like the Smith/9 St viaduct. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 10 18:19:30 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Aug 10 17:04:37 2015. I agree with that. When I was a M/M i found the R-32s to be the best operating of all the SMEEs superior to even the R-=38s, 40s, and 42s. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 18:26:13 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 10 18:16:39 2015. I guess OPTO operation will be suspended for the time of the construction. Or perhaps weekend service will be run with shuttle buses and late night service will run with full length trains. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 10 18:41:14 2015, in response to R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:23:03 2015. Shades of the 1970s! Back then, a bunch of R-1/9s that were already sold for scrap had to be kept in service because of delivery delays and mechanical issues with other car classes, including the then-new R-44 fleet. The TA ended up having to pay the salvage dealer for the use of the cars! A messy mess!At least NYCT didn't make THAT mistake again...but I'll bet somebody at Headquarters is wishing they hadn't reefed half the R-32 fleet to begin with... |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Aug 10 19:06:05 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 10 17:38:11 2015. If it needs a rebuild, maybe they could figure a way to eliminate the flat junction, but I guess that would cost too much money. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 10 19:19:05 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 10 18:15:08 2015. I remember when the WF R-33/36s were being delivered to the Flushing line back in 1963/64, some main line R-33s & R-17s were sent over to cover the service as the R-12 & 14 &15s were shipped out. They did not have "MAIN STREET" on the bonnet nor "Main Street Flushing" on the side roll sides. So what to do?? White signs with black lettering were stuck on where needed. |
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Posted by P.Opus on Tue Aug 11 07:50:26 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 10 18:16:39 2015. I'm guessing a temporary reopening of Myrtle Upper to facilitate a transfer between M and J while the viaduct is being rebuilt is too much to hope for.. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 07:59:54 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by P.Opus on Tue Aug 11 07:50:26 2015. I don't think so. Knee jerk reaction is to run buses, or at least a Central Av - Metro Av shuttle train on each track on weekends and nites.Can the rather narrow girders to the upper level support even 4 car R32 trains ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 08:03:32 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 10 18:41:14 2015. For the first time ever, they seemed to have learned a lesson from premature/over-scrapping. The last such pile of shit they created for us was junking the R30's years before the R143. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Aug 11 08:06:08 2015, in response to R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:23:03 2015. Delightful news. And good to read that there are "increased revenue service fleet requirements". Well, as long as the R32s can be kept in good running condition, it is better to underorder rather than overorder new rolling stock. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 08:26:01 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Aug 11 08:06:08 2015. The should spread them around all the car barns, and try to use them just rush hours to extend their longevity. |
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Posted by BMRR on Tue Aug 11 10:14:31 2015, in response to R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:23:03 2015. It seems R32s have 9 lives, this is great to hear! |
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Posted by milantram on Tue Aug 11 10:15:39 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 10 19:19:05 2015. They read "Flushing Lin4".. |
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Posted by milantram on Tue Aug 11 10:16:37 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 10 19:19:05 2015. Correction: They read "Flushing Line". |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 13:01:35 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 07:59:54 2015. As I have mentioned in several posts on the Myrtle el, the entire el structure all the way to Bridge St could support anything the NYCTS had including the D types which were at one time the heaviest equipment. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 13:02:56 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 10 18:41:14 2015. That also had happened earlier with the steels when there were problems with the R-42 deliveries. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 13:04:38 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Aug 10 19:06:05 2015. The location of the station at Bway/Myrtle would not allow for it. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 11 13:21:01 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 10 18:41:14 2015. That situation happened also with the MP-54s over on the LIRR. If I remember correctly, upon the arrival of the M-1s in the late 60s, there were serious bugs to be worked out. That resulted in a stay of execuition for several sets of the ancient equiptment resulting in several cancelled trains daily (over 20 on bad days) as the old trains just gave up the ghost and were crapping out left & right.As for the R-32s, it wouldn't suprise me if they were to run a set or two on the completed leg of the 2nd Ave subway. I know...wishful thinking in the extreme. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 11 13:22:58 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 13:01:35 2015. So why did they plan for R-39s? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Aug 11 13:25:53 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 13:01:35 2015. Though you've posted this before, I did not read them or know this - I assumed all the older el structures could not handle heavier steel rolling stock.were the structure's steel girders & ROW supports/track beds built to this strength originally (pre-1900) or was there some kind of upgrade? Thanks. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 13:26:13 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 13:04:38 2015. They would have to bypass it, and do something like CTA is planning to do at Clark Jct north of Belmont with the Ravenswood Branch |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 13:27:45 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Express Rider on Tue Aug 11 13:25:53 2015. Then why was the Broadway el rebuilt girder for girder through the 1910's ? Are we saying the Myrtle South was stronger to start with than the Bway el ? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Aug 11 14:52:19 2015, in response to R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:23:03 2015. Coincidentally, their contemporaries in Paris, the MP59s which were built in batches starting in 1963-1964 may stay in service until 2019. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 15:16:12 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 11 13:22:58 2015. Probably more for the 3 Av el although even that proved unnecessary. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 15:21:42 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 13:27:45 2015. Don’t forget the Bway el was rebuilt as a 3 track line instead of the original 2 tracks so the strengthening would have been more for the additional service. The outer portion of the Jamaica line over Fulton St was not rebuilt until the late 1970s and it held whatever the BMT and TA ran on it. The Fulton el was a different story since that structure prior to the dual contracts definitely could not hold heavyweight steel cars. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 15:28:01 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 13:26:13 2015. But Belmont is sufficiently far away from Clark Jct that a flying junction can be more easily built than at Bway/Myrtle. In order to accomplish a flying junction at Bway/Myrt, the existing Myrtle structure above the Bway el would have to be demolished to make room for the new ramps and that would also necessitate relocation of the signal equipment that was installed on the upper level platform. Entirely too costly. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Aug 11 15:28:41 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 15:28:01 2015. It wouldn't be worth it? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 15:30:07 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 11 13:21:01 2015. Maybe not! |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 15:37:12 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 15:21:42 2015. What did they do structurally to the Fulton St portion in the 1970's ? |
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Posted by Rainman89 on Tue Aug 11 15:42:18 2015, in response to R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Aug 10 16:23:03 2015. That is some great news wonder will they smart enough assign them on the B line since it a partime line and a short line to 145st on non-rush it can reduce the miles, wear & tear give the Air cond some rest and Maint. if needed on weekends hoildays and why a 1988 car R 68A Vs a 1960s cars R32 running partime ? It should be other way around , The R68s is to new to be doing partime duty it should be running 7days a week line ,Even better it a pipe dream sent the 5001-5064 R68A to SIRT to retire the R44 and keep the R42 give them a tuneup assign them to B or Q lines to replace the 64cars R68A to SIRT KEEP all the R32 and R42 until R211 arrive !!! |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 15:56:35 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Aug 11 15:28:41 2015. There are probably higher priority projects that need to be addressed before that could be considered. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 15:57:33 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Rainman89 on Tue Aug 11 15:42:18 2015. The R42's are shot and rusting away - forget them. The R179's should easily do them in.As for the R32's, it does not look like all 222 will be kept, but I see a fleet shortage caused by need for a W service to replace the Q to Astoria, and to send some of the R44's to Scraparona with the other St Louis junk - the R42. If they sent just 20 R46's or R68's to SIR, they would not need to use any R44's except during rush hour. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 15:57:46 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 15:37:12 2015. I’m not exactly sure, but from personal observation it seems that they replaced the upright support columns. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 11 16:00:16 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 11 13:21:01 2015. Yes, it is wishful thinking to imagine SAS will be completed by 2022... :P |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 16:01:34 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Rainman89 on Tue Aug 11 15:42:18 2015. The problem with using the R-32s on the B as it currently exists is that the side signs read either “Wash Hts/6 Av/West End” or “6 Ave/West End” and the current B runs via the Brighton Line. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 16:11:41 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 16:01:34 2015. Mylar route signs can be replaced or extended. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 11 16:35:40 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 16:11:41 2015. But would the MTA want to spend the money on cars that will only last a few extra years? |
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Posted by zac on Tue Aug 11 16:52:41 2015, in response to Re: R32s Staying until 2022, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 11 08:26:01 2015. I still liked my idea of running the R32s on all the lines that ever had them for their 50th birthday last year, in full service. That would probably be all of the IND/BMT lines. Some are still turning 50 this year is my guess, so it would still be appropriate. |
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