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Posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 24 12:00:08 2014, in response to NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 24 11:34:35 2014. Is the MTA ready for the flood of lawsuits from anyone who falls or is pushed to the tracks on stations without barriers once they begin deploying barriers?"This station is inherently dangerous--the MTA acknowledged this when they started putting in station barriers and this station should have had them." |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 24 12:03:06 2014, in response to NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 24 11:34:35 2014. There's also the interesting question of how New Yorkers who hold the doors will react to these double doors -- and how the doors will react to them. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Nov 24 13:03:56 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 24 12:03:06 2014. Go visit AirTrain during hours of high ridership -- it happens there a lot. People who hold doors will continue to do so, and the train still can't move until it's safe. Having double doors really doesn't affect much, if everything is operating correctly. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Nov 24 13:34:45 2014, in response to NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 24 11:34:35 2014. I always stand against the wall of the platform when the train comes in, if its a side platform. If its an island platform, I try to grasp something stationary, like a map frame. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Nov 24 13:52:23 2014, in response to NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 24 11:34:35 2014. Knowing the MTA's maintenance record on mechanical things (escalators, elevators etc) I see big problems ahead with this.I can see platform doors not opening when a train pulls in. I can see them closing on people getting on & off the train. I can also see them being plastered with ads (and graffiti too). |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Nov 24 14:00:47 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Nov 24 13:34:45 2014. I always stand against the wall of the platform when the train comes in, if its a side platform. If its an island platform, I try to grasp something stationary, like a map frame.Seriously? |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 24 15:14:16 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Nov 24 13:03:56 2014. AirTrain? Supposedly the riders, being seasoned air travelers, are more domesticated by the brutal modern conditions of being air passengers and don't have quite the spirit of a typical New Yorker. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 24 15:16:19 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Nov 24 14:00:47 2014. Then there are people who stand closer than I'd like to the track on the Babylon Line center platforms when an express blasts through at 70-80 mph, horn blasting. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 24 15:17:09 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Allan on Mon Nov 24 13:52:23 2014. Side question: How much harder will this making to see the signage on an arriving train? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Nov 24 16:39:28 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 24 15:17:09 2014. This is actually a good point. Just about everywhere I've seen platform barriers, there is either only one route stopping on that track (so it's clearly designated by platform signage) or there is a live display (e.g. AirTrain) that tells you which train it is. If the station has countdown clocks and they are dependable and placed closely together, they can do the job. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Nov 24 16:55:17 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Nov 24 14:00:47 2014. Please identify yourself.Which one of you is posting now? |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Nov 24 19:04:51 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 24 15:17:09 2014. Probably next to impossible. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 24 20:05:55 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Nov 24 16:55:17 2014. So you can't answer the question. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 24 21:35:39 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 24 15:17:09 2014. Most likely no different than it is now,concerning the cyclopean bullets on the newer rolling stock...and the R32. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 25 00:18:31 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Allan on Mon Nov 24 13:52:23 2014. I'm really curious about such doors on the elevated and out-door stations on many of our subway routes. There are plenty of elevated and outdoor stations where the platforms narrow near the front and back sections of those stations. Many of the platforms (often after the renovation) are open to the elements with just a waist-high railing serving as the "back-wall" of the platform.I truly wonder just how they would add these platform barrier doors to the elevated and out-door stations. Mike |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Nov 25 10:24:41 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 25 00:18:31 2014. I truly wonder just how they would add these platform barrier doors to the elevated and out-door stations.They become affixed to the platform edge. They do not take away any significant platform space. I do not believe that platform narrowness would be an issue. There would now be a "back-wall" and a platform door and you still have all of the space in between to stand within. What could be challenging in the installation of such doors is the existence of platforms with significant curves, and especially those with gap fillers. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 25 10:46:19 2014, in response to NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 24 11:34:35 2014. I do not think they should spend money on this. Of course I value human life above all else. But given the different car models used, combined with the maintenance issues that would sure arise with platform doors, I could foresee a lot of problems.I've seen platform doors in action on airport tramways. Ugh. it takes them longer just to open that it takes for a #2 or #3 to change passenger loads completely during rush hour at Times Square. If they DO insist on this foolishness, they'll at least need to find a way to speed it up... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 25 10:48:14 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 24 15:14:16 2014. I've never been on AirTrain. But I've watched crowds at other US airports using similar systems. Those folks do not move at NYC speed...Leave it at that. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 25 11:52:14 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Allan on Mon Nov 24 13:52:23 2014. How does the reliability of the gap fillers at 14th St. and South Ferry compare to that of elevators and escalators? Pretty favorably, I think. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Nov 25 12:48:11 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 25 10:48:14 2014. You should ride AirTrain. What are you waiting for? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 25 13:33:58 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Nov 25 12:48:11 2014. 1. He doesn't want to pay the $5 fare/pedestrian toll, or2. He doesn't have the time to avoid paying the $5 by riding a bus into the airport or walking to Lefferts Blvd station. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Nov 25 14:19:21 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 25 13:33:58 2014. There's a third possibility as well: He wasn't available every single time AirTrain had free entry/exit at the Howard Beach subway station. But hopefully there will be more such dates he could try to make. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Nov 25 14:36:59 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 25 10:48:14 2014. Whatever the reason, I recommend you try to ride it at least once. It is even worth one $5 contribution if necessary. When running properly, the Jamaica-to-Federal Circle run is one of the best railfan-window stretches left in NYC. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 25 15:03:51 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 24 20:05:55 2014. I could but the asker keeps changing into other personas. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Nov 25 15:19:34 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 25 15:03:51 2014. No you can't. You can't answer. Are you having a SubChat meltdown? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 25 17:59:26 2014, in response to NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 24 11:34:35 2014. The pictures I've seen of these door systems, though they close off the tracks, make the platform area feel very narrow and confining - just what people need when they ride the subway.And this being NY, someone, kids, will figure out a way to get around the doors, on the first day they are installed. We will also lose clear sight of all the mosaic work along the walls of the tracks. This whole platform door debate is just another red herring. |
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Posted by b1bus on Thu Nov 27 21:10:10 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Nov 25 10:24:41 2014. Beverly rd and COrtelyou rd are VERY narrow. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 28 07:49:53 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Nov 25 12:48:11 2014. I'll answer that...Basically, I've looked at it, from Jamaica Station and from the Van Wyck Expressway, and said to myself, "bleh, that thing just doesn't do it for me.." I remember (as do most of us on here, I'm sure) when it was built, and I was and remain disappointed that it wasn't done as an extension of the subway or LIRR- either of which I would've loved and definitely railfaned. I rarely fly out of JFK, so other than railfanning, I have no use for it, and since I don't like it, I won't fan it. I'm not going to come up with any logic or justification. I just don't like it. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 28 07:51:04 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Nov 25 14:36:59 2014. Thanks for the suggestion. It's unlikely I'll ride it- but thank you nevertheless. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 14:04:22 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 28 07:49:53 2014. I'm disappointed in the whole project as well, but I won't look a gift horse in the mouth. The railfan window on those things is amazing. Ride it before you knock it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 14:04:58 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 28 07:51:04 2014. Make it your business to ride it. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Fri Nov 28 14:44:44 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 14:04:58 2014. Eventually it will be the railfan window left. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 14:56:07 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by FtGreeneG on Fri Nov 28 14:44:44 2014. You meant "only"? |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Fri Nov 28 15:11:03 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 14:56:07 2014. Yeah what i get for typing on the run... |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Nov 28 15:27:03 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by FtGreeneG on Fri Nov 28 14:44:44 2014. The one huge advantage of crew-less trains. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Nov 28 15:50:55 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 14:04:22 2014. Seems he's more into the rolling stock than the viewpoint. I personally am glad that opaque R46 or M7 cab doors, or even slightly-transparent R160 cab doors are not preventing me from taking in those AirTrain views.I've used the AirTrain about 50% for actual travel to/from flights and 50% for fun. I'm also glad that when I'm actually traveling with heavy luggage that I'm finally off the subway/railroad and on equipment that was designed for airport passengers. I like the idea that you are welcomed by signage to JFK Airport while still in Jamaica. Once you pay the $5 in Jamaica, it really can feel as if you've arrived at JFK. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Nov 28 16:24:07 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by b1bus on Thu Nov 27 21:10:10 2014. Not to mention parts of certain stations S/O Newkirk. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 29 20:58:17 2014, in response to Re: NYC Subway Platform Barriers Not Easy to Come By, posted by FtGreeneG on Fri Nov 28 15:11:03 2014. no prob |
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