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"House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process" |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 19 19:29:13 2014 http://www.vox.com/2014/9/11/6138123/amtrak-boarding-bill |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 19:34:21 2014, in response to "House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process", posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 19 19:29:13 2014. Why is the GOP regulating business? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 19 20:16:03 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 19:34:21 2014. When they are inconvenienced by it. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 20:40:29 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 19:34:21 2014. AMTK is not a business, It is a qusi-Authority receiving government monies. They are wasting money, and time by their stoopididity. It is just another example of governmental officalism.ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 19 20:43:09 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 20:40:29 2014. This particular matter is 9/11 Theatre, and done by control freak station ushers, about as dumb an idea as elementary or jr high school lunchroom aids running a school. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 20 01:05:16 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 20:40:29 2014. So then just let ISIS board some trains, blow them up and taa-daa. After all, they would only be blowing up NEC trains to DC, not any trains that run through the heartland to prove "we can get you infidels anywhere we please" ... right?There's reasons for those procedures. OR would you prefer TSA to give you a free feel on the line outside the platform instead? What Amtrak is doing WORKS. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Sep 20 06:13:54 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 20 01:05:16 2014. You're being facetious, right? It "works", sure. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Usually you include a smiley-face on facetious answers like this, I presume you inadvertently omitted it this time. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 06:41:48 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Sep 20 06:13:54 2014. Read exactly what he said. What Amtrak is doing keeps away the pressures that would bring in the TSA. That counts as "working," unfortunately. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 07:43:23 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 06:41:48 2014. Even the stupid TSA would be laughing their heads off at what Amtrak is doing. This is not what is keeping them away.A gate usher is not a sniffer dog, nor does glancing at an e-ticket for 2 seconds reveal a forgery. You think ISIS can't photoshop an e-ticket and can't talk in a North American accent ? The be-header certainly does. Don't fall for Amtrak's 9/11 Security Theatre. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 20 08:40:22 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 19:34:21 2014. Amtrak isn't a business. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 20 09:00:37 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 20 08:40:22 2014. Actually, Amtrak (National Railroad Passenger Corporation) most certainly IS a business. So are state-owned airlines, and other government carriers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 20 09:23:08 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 19 20:43:09 2014. Why are you selective about the security theater you oppose? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 10:18:58 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 20 09:23:08 2014. How is that selective ? I don't fly, so I don't comment about airports.You walk on commuter trains, so you can just walk on Amtrak too |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Sep 20 11:54:40 2014, in response to "House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process", posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 19 19:29:13 2014. If Amtrak riders would simply boycott Penn Station New York, this would stop on its own without additional regulation. Yes, it is inconvenient, but it is possible and would get the message across. The reason travellers are treated worse than cattle is that they put up with it. It applies to air travel too. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 20 11:54:49 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 06:41:48 2014. I guess folks would rather the TSA follies then. We're already halfway there at Rensselaer. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 20 13:04:05 2014, in response to "House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process", posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 19 19:29:13 2014. There are good reasons to do it...its because passengers tend to be morons. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 20 13:13:08 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 20 13:04:05 2014. LION can see it in Chicago (although him likes it not at all) where there are low level platforms and silly gooses could block the tracks, But at NYP with its high level platforms and its ultra high volume, this is not necessary. Better to use as many stairways as possible.Move AMTK waiting across to the old post office and let them wait there, and let commuters use all of the gates in the present terminal. ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 13:28:10 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Sep 20 11:54:40 2014. If Amtrak riders would simply boycott Penn Station New York, this would stop on its own without additional regulation.??? If I want to go from downtown NYC to another downtown in the NE Corridor, using NYP takes the least amount of time, even with the ridiculous boarding procedures. Why would I boycott NYP, possibly for years? Would you also recommend that NYC air passengers boycott JFK, LGA, and EWR, and instead use an outlying airport (like Islip, White Plains, or Stewart) that requires a long trip and change of planes just to protest TSA indignities at those airports? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 13:29:33 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 20 13:13:08 2014. Move AMTK waiting across to the old post office and let them wait there, and let commuters use all of the gates in the present terminal.That doesn't address the issue that Amtrak boarding takes too long. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Sep 20 13:34:16 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 06:41:48 2014. Aha! OK, I get it now. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 20 14:48:32 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 20 13:13:08 2014. Penn Station platforms are quite narrow. It is easy to accidentally get on the wrong train. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 20 15:38:14 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 20 13:04:05 2014. You mean more so than government officials? Answer: No. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 20 15:38:43 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 20 08:40:22 2014. Nope, and the government didn't allow their predecessors to be businesses in this market either. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 20 15:39:52 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Sep 20 11:54:40 2014. If Amtrak riders would simply boycott Penn Station New YorkLOL! That's their busiest hub on the planet. Amtrak can't serve GCT or Hoboken these days, you know. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 20 15:50:20 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 07:43:23 2014. This is not what is keeping them awayTrue. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Sep 20 15:53:32 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 20 15:39:52 2014. Then again, Newark, New Rochelle, and Yonkers are all Amtrak stations close to NYC. If more people took PATH, NJ Transit, or Metro-North to these stations, they can board an Amtrak train the way normal people do. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Sep 20 15:56:21 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Sep 20 15:53:32 2014. Trenton, Metropark, New Haven, Stamford, Poughkeepsie, and Croton-Harmon are more distant Amtrak stations. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Sep 20 16:13:39 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 20 15:39:52 2014. It actually is simple, though perhaps not inexpensive. Board an NJ Transit or Metro North train at Penn Station New York and take it to a station Amtrak serves. As long as it isn't rush hour, it should be doable. People drag all manner of luggage on LIRR trains to and from Jamaica. If one isn't willing to be inconvenienced even temporarily, the nonsense will continue. Voting with one's feet is effective. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 16:17:23 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Sep 20 16:13:39 2014. Costs money and time. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Sep 20 16:18:57 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 20 08:40:22 2014. Wrong. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 16:29:10 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 20 14:48:32 2014. Tough shit. You don't crowd up the concourse and slow boarding because of a few idiots. People could also get on a train they think is headed for Belmar and wind up taking in across the platform for Bellmore. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 16:50:15 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 20 13:13:08 2014. "Move AMTK waiting across to the old post office and let them wait there, and let commuters use all of the gates in the present terminal."Moynihan Staion is projected to cost $1.5B. Nope. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 20 17:39:05 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 16:50:15 2014. In the world of Obamanomics, $1.5B *is* Chump Change.ROAR |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 20 17:56:40 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 07:43:23 2014. I dunno how they're playing it down where YOU are, but here at the Rensselaer train station, there's a police contingent that will impress any terrorist with dogs, machine guns, the works. And if one should manage to actually slip past them somehow, they'll have to deal with Trainmaster Scruffy. :)
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 20:20:26 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 20 11:54:49 2014. If you think Amtrak's Gate Dragons at NYPS are keeping TSA away, you are wrong. I have seen them walking around NYPS many times. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 20 21:57:16 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Sep 20 11:54:40 2014. That will just never happen. Amtrak & the rest of the world knows in a post 9-11 world that we have to live in, they'll put up with the cattle drive situation if it gives the traveler a minimal sense of security. People will always want trains because they don't want to drive, they don't want to take the Hound & they don't want to fly. Penn Station will always be crowded.Lets keep it real here. If a few knuckleheads can get to the top of the Brooklyn Bridge & swap flags without being spotted & another troubled citizen can vault a fence outside the White house & make it all the way to the lobby before being stopped, Amtrak security would not be able to stop an individual determined on destruction, no matter how long the "cattle drive" lines are. Point being, If Secret Sservice can be breached, Any security can |
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Posted by Bl2dny on Sat Sep 20 22:34:23 2014, in response to "House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process", posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 19 19:29:13 2014. Haven't taken Amtrak recently but isn't it possible to just board from the lower level if you don't want to wait in the queue? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Sep 20 22:52:44 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 16:17:23 2014. Time, probably yes. Money, no, it should actually save a few bucks. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 20 23:51:48 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 20:20:26 2014. You should see ours sometime. Nice doggy. :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 00:03:04 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 07:43:23 2014. You think ISIS can't photoshop an e-ticket and can't talk in a North American accent ?I'm sure they can, but they don't pose any threat to Amtrak which, last I checked, does not operate service to or within Iraq or Syria. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 21 00:20:23 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 00:03:04 2014. Heh. In all seriousness though, trains have been a target for ne'er-do-wells across the planet. Just because there isn't a shoe basket or a free government grope doesn't mean that the trains aren't being watched and sniffed for potential ne'er-do-wells here. Plenty of feds riding the trains and watching, just doing it on the down low.All I can point out is that a few potential terrorist incidents were already thwarted, and done so quite quietly. Anyone who's ever ridden Amtrak across a border can tell you how stealthy they can be. :) But yeah, let's do the government grope thing instead. When you get older, it can be fun. :) |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Sep 21 00:22:48 2014, in response to "House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process", posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 19 19:29:13 2014. IMO the more important element of the bill is the attempt to separate the NEC's finances fom the rest of the system. It allows anti rail right wingers to slash capital improvement funding from the NEC while simultaneously cutting funds to the long distance trains. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 21 00:29:49 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by WillD on Sun Sep 21 00:22:48 2014. Yeah, but they have to mark up the bill as being great somehow and looks like this was the only thing the folks at Vox had that they could trumpet to make it look good. Just looked at the bill itself and not good. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 01:21:22 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 21 00:20:23 2014. All I can point out is that a few potential terrorist incidents were already thwarted, and done so quite quietly.All I can point out is that unless I see smoke, the Government Who Cried Terrorist probably made up the whole thing. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 01:22:25 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 21 00:29:49 2014. Come on, "...GOP bill would force Amtrak..." is right there in the subject line. I didn't have to look at the bill to know it was an attempt to cut or eliminate rail service. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 21 01:29:14 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 01:21:22 2014. Because of what I do for a living, I do have access to some things that aren't for public awareness. Let's just say that I am aware of such things, or folks can just call bullshit if they want. I get paid either way. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 21 01:30:35 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 21 01:22:25 2014. Yeah, but reading through the details ("that which has been seen cannot be UNseen") only makes this POS worse. :(It really IS about dismantling Amtrak once again if you read it through. I want my 45 minutes back. :( |
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Posted by pd11604 on Sun Sep 21 01:52:25 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Bl2dny on Sat Sep 20 22:34:23 2014. About 1 month ago I was coming home to NYC after a stay in Virginia. VRE from Manassas was stuck behind a stalled freight and although I had left plenty of time to catch Amtrak 176, I made it to WAS with about 10 minutes to spare. I did not go upstairs and join the long line, I just walked over to 176 told the conductor I was stuck on VRE behind the stalled freight. He just waved me onboard even before the priority ticket holders. BTW the conductor on VRE gave me a free ticket to use on a future trip - a pleasant surprise! |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Sep 21 03:25:47 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 16:29:10 2014. It's Amtrak's problem when people trying to go southbound wind up on a Northbound train. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 21 07:56:34 2014, in response to Re: ''House GOP bill would force Amtrak to rethink its insane boarding process'', posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Sep 21 03:25:47 2014. No isn't. It's YOUR responsibility and problem. You get off at the next stop and head back.Whose problem is it when a New Brunswick train is on Track 14 and a LIRR train is on Track 13 and a Metuchen passenger is headed to Hicksville ? Nobody at LIRR or NJT HQ is the least bit interested. |
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